The questionable thing for me is the timing of the complaint and the way it’s dealt with. Stopping a game for crowd noise? If a player has an issue with crowd abuse they should simply relay it to officials so they can address it. If you’ve just been belted over the fence for an over and then don’t like getting a bit stick from the supporters on the boundary you are probably not resilient enough for the professional support arena. If it’s racial or threatening abuse security and police should be removing them. I have seen Siraja put his hand to his ear and fingers across his lips in celebration of a dismissal. I’m not sure if that is implying he enjoys some crowd engagement. Maybe he likes it sometimes and doesn’t at others. Not being there it’s hard for judgements. I’m simply judging the timing of the complaint the actions of stopping the game, the threat of walking off, the discussion of not wanting to follow requirements around quarantine and the nature of some substitutes. There has been a pattern of India not being happy when they are in uncomfortable position over sometime now. Just saying crowds have been making visitors uncomfortable on the field of battle since time began. A NZ Haka is a form of intimidation should players be insulted by the jesters of physical abuse also?
I remember this incident well, the time James Sutherland and the rest of his spineless mates throw a young player under the bus. And it was most definitely because India threatened to go home unless this allegation was watered down (or withdrawn altogether). Now it's all lost in the manufactured legal ramblings designed to distort history.
You don't think there's a little bit of when an Aussie makes the accusation we believe him, but when such an accusation is made against Aussies we don't (believe the accuser)?
I tend to believe Matthew Hayden here... He wanted to belt H Singh right then and there. And all I ask of you willow is to do a tour to Kolkata to watch a game, and see racism as well as caste, in full flight. Please stop trying to be so pious
The first part of your comment is well-documented. Everyone saw the Indian crowd make monkey-like gestures in reference to a certain player.
There’s, however, no evidence that Harbhajaan called Symonds by that name. That bit is just a widely-held belief that seems both reaffirming and comforting to some. In fact a Kiwi high court judge clearly stated that there was no evidence to support Symond’s version of the story on that occasion.
https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/harbhajan-racism-charge-not-proven-hansen-333986.
Michael Clarke’s account was critical, since it did not coincide favourably with the rest. “It is not without significance that the Australian players maintain other than Mr Symonds that they did not hear any other words spoken, only the ones that are said to be of significance to this hearing,” Justice Hansen said.
“This is a little surprising in the context where there was a reasonably prolonged heated exchange. Indeed Mr Clarke went so far as to say that he did not hear Mr Symonds say anything. Given Mr Symonds’ own acceptance that he initiated the exchange and was abusive towards Mr Singh, that is surprising. This failure to identify any other words could be because some of what they were hearing was not in English.”
Innocent unless proven guilty is the ideal that underpins the judicial system, thankfully, and not the other way around.
I’m old enough to remember where Andrew Symonds was called a certain word by the crowd in India and also by a certain Indian bowler in Australia. The Indian team then threatened to leave the country if Symonds didn’t drop the complaint
The patriot calls out racism to defend the country from values unbecoming of the country, while the nationalist instead defends racism
Isn't there a parliament house you need to storm?
So someone who criticises racist abusers "epitomizes all that is wrong with this country"? Says more about you than about anyone else.
I suggest people like you, who support nasty jingoism, are much more of a problem. We all know where that leads.
Did they stop the game ?
Did people get removed from the crowd as s result ?
Did Australian players use social media ( the scourge of the world ) to have a big sook. ?
You epitomise all that is wrong in this country.
Rather than defend your own , you run them down .
John Snow MAY agree! In response to your “poor baby” comment, which country didn’t enjoy their experiences with the South African crowd? Glass houses, stones etc.
Rob
Guest
The questionable thing for me is the timing of the complaint and the way it’s dealt with. Stopping a game for crowd noise? If a player has an issue with crowd abuse they should simply relay it to officials so they can address it. If you’ve just been belted over the fence for an over and then don’t like getting a bit stick from the supporters on the boundary you are probably not resilient enough for the professional support arena. If it’s racial or threatening abuse security and police should be removing them. I have seen Siraja put his hand to his ear and fingers across his lips in celebration of a dismissal. I’m not sure if that is implying he enjoys some crowd engagement. Maybe he likes it sometimes and doesn’t at others. Not being there it’s hard for judgements. I’m simply judging the timing of the complaint the actions of stopping the game, the threat of walking off, the discussion of not wanting to follow requirements around quarantine and the nature of some substitutes. There has been a pattern of India not being happy when they are in uncomfortable position over sometime now. Just saying crowds have been making visitors uncomfortable on the field of battle since time began. A NZ Haka is a form of intimidation should players be insulted by the jesters of physical abuse also?
Censored Often
Roar Rookie
I remember this incident well, the time James Sutherland and the rest of his spineless mates throw a young player under the bus. And it was most definitely because India threatened to go home unless this allegation was watered down (or withdrawn altogether). Now it's all lost in the manufactured legal ramblings designed to distort history.
Once Upon a Time on the Roar
Roar Guru
You don't think there's a little bit of when an Aussie makes the accusation we believe him, but when such an accusation is made against Aussies we don't (believe the accuser)?
Brian Westlake
Roar Rookie
I tend to believe Matthew Hayden here... He wanted to belt H Singh right then and there. And all I ask of you willow is to do a tour to Kolkata to watch a game, and see racism as well as caste, in full flight. Please stop trying to be so pious
Just Nuisance
Roar Rookie
Hey Leave us Saffas out of this one.. :shocked:
WillowWiz
Roar Rookie
The first part of your comment is well-documented. Everyone saw the Indian crowd make monkey-like gestures in reference to a certain player. There’s, however, no evidence that Harbhajaan called Symonds by that name. That bit is just a widely-held belief that seems both reaffirming and comforting to some. In fact a Kiwi high court judge clearly stated that there was no evidence to support Symond’s version of the story on that occasion. https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/harbhajan-racism-charge-not-proven-hansen-333986. Michael Clarke’s account was critical, since it did not coincide favourably with the rest. “It is not without significance that the Australian players maintain other than Mr Symonds that they did not hear any other words spoken, only the ones that are said to be of significance to this hearing,” Justice Hansen said. “This is a little surprising in the context where there was a reasonably prolonged heated exchange. Indeed Mr Clarke went so far as to say that he did not hear Mr Symonds say anything. Given Mr Symonds’ own acceptance that he initiated the exchange and was abusive towards Mr Singh, that is surprising. This failure to identify any other words could be because some of what they were hearing was not in English.” Innocent unless proven guilty is the ideal that underpins the judicial system, thankfully, and not the other way around.
U
Roar Rookie
I’m old enough to remember where Andrew Symonds was called a certain word by the crowd in India and also by a certain Indian bowler in Australia. The Indian team then threatened to leave the country if Symonds didn’t drop the complaint
U
Roar Rookie
Did Australia threaten to fly home if they don’t get their way?
mushi
Roar Guru
Right depends on colour and birthplace for you.
EddieB
Guest
The patriot calls out racism to defend the country from values unbecoming of the country, while the nationalist instead defends racism Isn't there a parliament house you need to storm?
aussikiwi
Guest
So someone who criticises racist abusers "epitomizes all that is wrong with this country"? Says more about you than about anyone else. I suggest people like you, who support nasty jingoism, are much more of a problem. We all know where that leads.
Plastered Plasterer
Guest
Did they stop the game ? Did people get removed from the crowd as s result ? Did Australian players use social media ( the scourge of the world ) to have a big sook. ? You epitomise all that is wrong in this country. Rather than defend your own , you run them down .
JOHN ALLAN
Guest
John Snow MAY agree! In response to your “poor baby” comment, which country didn’t enjoy their experiences with the South African crowd? Glass houses, stones etc.
JGK
Roar Guru
Poor baby.