heres the stupidity of this situation. If they used the sin bin for players "taking the mickey" 2 years ago, there would of been less slowing down of the play the ball and no need for the 6 again rule to be introduced
Subjectivity with no review is readily open to corruption? Whatever happened to the 'virtual' 10m line that Fox viewers were told was going to happen this year?
Is the game much better to watch on the wider scan? You know the one where you see how far the Referee & most of the defence get back to, you can also see where the attacking team are around the ball.
The biggest blight on the game is the slowness of the ruck & teams being either offside or move before the ball is played. Because we the fans watching at home don't see get the benefit of this view we don't know that it is happening. If we did see it, we would complain & the NRL would have to address it.
The virtual 10m line. How good would it be to see?
While I'm at it, when the wrestle was at it's peak about 5 years ago, I wrote an email to the NRL suggesting that once a tackle is completed in the opinion of the Referee, they call out tackled. Upon that call the bunker operated a tackle clock for 3 seconds, if after 3 seconds the player with the ball was not free to get up & play the ball a penalty was called against the defensive side. In the present climate of 6 again, the Ref could call that instead. The wrestle would be gone, plain, fair & simple. No subjectivity. No interpretation, easy to understand.
The NRL sent me a short email in reply to my idea saying that at the Referee has different tackles that they identify like 'surrender' & dominant tackles which they call during the game. My response was that they can still interpret each tackle, but once they decide that the tackle is complete they call out tackled. 3 seconds for ruck to clear or penalty.
The teams that would be most effected by this idea & the virtual 10m would be at a guess the top 5 teams in any season. Food for thought?
Let’s agree to disagree then. Would hate for you to go over your data limit through not being able to let go of someone having an opinion different to yours.
In typical fashion however the NRL are going to add yet another arbitrary on field judgement to another. Policing the ruck within the existing rules in the first place could’ve prevented all of this.
It's simple to police in theory but maybe not for the refs. If defense are infringing deliberately then it is a professional foul. Start with 5 minutes and go to 10minutes if the team keep it up. If it still goes on it is time for someone to take a shower.
Incentives work as do disincentives. If after a first warning from a ref, a coach knows that if they are caught again that someone is going to sit on the bench for 5 minutes, they will soon stop coaching this way.
Having a player sent off for 5, 10 or the match for delaying tactics is certainly a disincentive for coaches. It doesn't take long to get through to the coaches and all it takes is a firm hand by the refs.
Instead of a ‘crackdown’ the 6-again rule itself should be sent off.
My biggest gripe is the lack of transparency in the awarding of 6-agains. Because they are awarded by the ref with play continuing there is never a replay of the supposed infringement nor is there any explanation of the reason or any opportunity for a disadvantaged team to review it.
While this makes for fast action it is often at the expense of fans not understanding why their team has been disadvantaged.
Even rugby Union infringements in rucks, mauls and scrums have more transparency than 6-agains – and that is a real indictment against the NRL.
Also, not all 6-agains are equal in their effect. When an attacking team is on top a 6-again call late in the tackle count offers it a full set of try scoring opportunities in the opposition red zone. But at the other end of the park defensive teams often seem to deliberately give up a 6-again on the first tackle to give time for the defence to better organise. The attacking side there gets only a marginal benefit if that.
Conclusion: with the application of the rule so opaque and the benefits late in the tackle count so great it is no wonder players and coaches are trying to exploit this rule. The NRL must scrap the 6-again and return fairness and transparency to enforcing infringements.
Wasn’t penalising and sin binning players the point of the crackdown a couple of years ago?
So now we’re going to lay another layer of inconsistency across the whole thing… when does a six again become a penalty? When do penalties become sin bins?
If they just enforced the rule in the first place this never would have been a problem…
Round 8 last year, Friend pushed a Storm player back down 10m out in front of his posts in golden point. Smith was right there at dummy-half, waving his arms at the ref, who immediately blew the penalty. If it had been 14th minute of the game, and not the 84th, the ref would likely have waved play-on, and 6-again. This one made it clear as day to me, that the ref now has the authority to influence the result. He has the power to award a penalty, or play-on 6-again, at his own discretion. I don’t like it.
Here’s a thought maybe just maybe get rid of this totally stupid ‘innovation’ that they introduced without thinking it through in the first place. If they do have a ‘crackdown’ it will create a huge number of stoppages, the minimisation of which was the justification for the introduction of the six again. The current NRL administration is mind blowingly dumb
Defence - Nice way to not have a penalty against you, then the opposition kick the ball inside your 20. Let them get 6 again and work for it.
Attack - Hit the ground on your back. Hold a defender down with you. Squirm about like you're trying to get up. Whistle. You just got 6 again.
The NRL are fools.
I agree with the first reply - Scrap the stupid rule. Refs are not consistent in ruling them,and not held to account for giving them.
This new change will make it worse. Will it include the attacking teams that try to milk them on the 4th tackle,being penalised? If not, why not?
More subjective dodgy crap from the NH RL.
Greg
Roar Pro
heres the stupidity of this situation. If they used the sin bin for players "taking the mickey" 2 years ago, there would of been less slowing down of the play the ball and no need for the 6 again rule to be introduced
Jason
Guest
Is he serious please don’t defend that and just say I knew I could earn us a penalty so I did I don’t play like that ! The vision says otherwise
Taree Raider
Guest
Subjectivity with no review is readily open to corruption? Whatever happened to the 'virtual' 10m line that Fox viewers were told was going to happen this year? Is the game much better to watch on the wider scan? You know the one where you see how far the Referee & most of the defence get back to, you can also see where the attacking team are around the ball. The biggest blight on the game is the slowness of the ruck & teams being either offside or move before the ball is played. Because we the fans watching at home don't see get the benefit of this view we don't know that it is happening. If we did see it, we would complain & the NRL would have to address it. The virtual 10m line. How good would it be to see? While I'm at it, when the wrestle was at it's peak about 5 years ago, I wrote an email to the NRL suggesting that once a tackle is completed in the opinion of the Referee, they call out tackled. Upon that call the bunker operated a tackle clock for 3 seconds, if after 3 seconds the player with the ball was not free to get up & play the ball a penalty was called against the defensive side. In the present climate of 6 again, the Ref could call that instead. The wrestle would be gone, plain, fair & simple. No subjectivity. No interpretation, easy to understand. The NRL sent me a short email in reply to my idea saying that at the Referee has different tackles that they identify like 'surrender' & dominant tackles which they call during the game. My response was that they can still interpret each tackle, but once they decide that the tackle is complete they call out tackled. 3 seconds for ruck to clear or penalty. The teams that would be most effected by this idea & the virtual 10m would be at a guess the top 5 teams in any season. Food for thought?
Adam
Roar Guru
All good. I have unlimited data :thumbup:
Joey
Guest
Let’s agree to disagree then. Would hate for you to go over your data limit through not being able to let go of someone having an opinion different to yours.
Tom G
Roar Rookie
Bingo!!
Tom G
Roar Rookie
In typical fashion however the NRL are going to add yet another arbitrary on field judgement to another. Policing the ruck within the existing rules in the first place could’ve prevented all of this.
Kurt S
Roar Pro
It's simple to police in theory but maybe not for the refs. If defense are infringing deliberately then it is a professional foul. Start with 5 minutes and go to 10minutes if the team keep it up. If it still goes on it is time for someone to take a shower. Incentives work as do disincentives. If after a first warning from a ref, a coach knows that if they are caught again that someone is going to sit on the bench for 5 minutes, they will soon stop coaching this way. Having a player sent off for 5, 10 or the match for delaying tactics is certainly a disincentive for coaches. It doesn't take long to get through to the coaches and all it takes is a firm hand by the refs.
Adam
Roar Guru
That's true about union ruck infringement now being clearer and that stuff is a schamozzle.
Adam
Roar Guru
He pushed the Storm player over while he was trying to stand up....
Joey
Guest
Slowing down the ruck was all it was. No different to any other.
King in the north
Roar Rookie
Instead of a ‘crackdown’ the 6-again rule itself should be sent off. My biggest gripe is the lack of transparency in the awarding of 6-agains. Because they are awarded by the ref with play continuing there is never a replay of the supposed infringement nor is there any explanation of the reason or any opportunity for a disadvantaged team to review it. While this makes for fast action it is often at the expense of fans not understanding why their team has been disadvantaged. Even rugby Union infringements in rucks, mauls and scrums have more transparency than 6-agains – and that is a real indictment against the NRL. Also, not all 6-agains are equal in their effect. When an attacking team is on top a 6-again call late in the tackle count offers it a full set of try scoring opportunities in the opposition red zone. But at the other end of the park defensive teams often seem to deliberately give up a 6-again on the first tackle to give time for the defence to better organise. The attacking side there gets only a marginal benefit if that. Conclusion: with the application of the rule so opaque and the benefits late in the tackle count so great it is no wonder players and coaches are trying to exploit this rule. The NRL must scrap the 6-again and return fairness and transparency to enforcing infringements.
Adam
Roar Guru
That's a terrible example because the ball became unplayable because of the infringement, it was and never will be a 6 again....
The Barry
Roar Guru
Wasn’t penalising and sin binning players the point of the crackdown a couple of years ago? So now we’re going to lay another layer of inconsistency across the whole thing… when does a six again become a penalty? When do penalties become sin bins? If they just enforced the rule in the first place this never would have been a problem…
Joey
Guest
Round 8 last year, Friend pushed a Storm player back down 10m out in front of his posts in golden point. Smith was right there at dummy-half, waving his arms at the ref, who immediately blew the penalty. If it had been 14th minute of the game, and not the 84th, the ref would likely have waved play-on, and 6-again. This one made it clear as day to me, that the ref now has the authority to influence the result. He has the power to award a penalty, or play-on 6-again, at his own discretion. I don’t like it.
Tom G
Roar Rookie
Spot on
Tom G
Roar Rookie
Here’s a thought maybe just maybe get rid of this totally stupid ‘innovation’ that they introduced without thinking it through in the first place. If they do have a ‘crackdown’ it will create a huge number of stoppages, the minimisation of which was the justification for the introduction of the six again. The current NRL administration is mind blowingly dumb
Rob
Guest
Defence - Nice way to not have a penalty against you, then the opposition kick the ball inside your 20. Let them get 6 again and work for it. Attack - Hit the ground on your back. Hold a defender down with you. Squirm about like you're trying to get up. Whistle. You just got 6 again.
Short Memory
Guest
Agree. The rule doesn't work. Scrap it.
Wayne Turner
Guest
The NRL are fools. I agree with the first reply - Scrap the stupid rule. Refs are not consistent in ruling them,and not held to account for giving them. This new change will make it worse. Will it include the attacking teams that try to milk them on the 4th tackle,being penalised? If not, why not? More subjective dodgy crap from the NH RL.