AS IT HAPPENED: All-time Argies pull off the mother of all upsets to STUN the All Blacks

Yep because nz fans and commentators not use to All Black losses leads to over reaction. As sides they are losing to are playing top quality rugby any of the top world sides would struggle against. They are not being beaten by mediocre teams…

Knee jerk reactions would be silly on foster. As another reporter stated make a decision on foster at either the end of the rugby championship, end of the northern tour or end of RWC 23.

G’day Malotru, and hope that you are well mate. It is all good as he and I got it sorted.. :thumbup:

Ah, you know who is losing the argument when they resolve to the use of 'champ'.

Yeah MK, I seem to recall suggestions that Cheika should have been deported!!

As opposed to the plethora of excuses if the wobblies lose Pete?

No disrespect at all. The Abs went in as favourites. That was reality. Arg won so therefore it was an upset result. Nothing more nothing less. What do you call something that has never happened before and wasnt expected to happen this time?

You are unloading a lot of frustrations..years of frustration I’m guessing your a Wallabies fan. So I get your having a plug, decades of loses to the ABs will do that. I’m not going to bother explaining how an All Black fan feels to a Wallabies supporter.. mate you just don’t get it. What’s wrong with setting high standards?? Why not be the best you can be. If we settle for average, than we’ll become average. It’s that standard that sets champion teams apart from mediocre ones. If we just start accepting losing 6 games from 8.. Where does it end? Ranked 10-12th! Drop down to 2nd tier? Set the standards high, maintain them as best as we can. That’s all we ask. Expectations are brutal, that’s part of the game, can handle it.. then move aside. That’s professional sport

You said it: that standard. An unbelievably high standard put on them. An expectation to win absolutely all of the time. And then you Class it as a shocker. Why a shocker? Again, are they never allowed to lose at home, ever? That’s the problem with NZ rugby. Fans and media alike put way too much pressure on their team to win at all cost absolutely all of the time, and any loss is termed ‘a shocker’, ’embarrassment’, or ‘a shock loss’. Haha geez, their only players. Now the pressure is on, the feedback and expectations are brutal. This is the problem with having relied on being complete and utterly successful absolutely all of the time. Now a few losses and no one can handle it without calling it a shocker…every team is allowed to lose at home. Yes, even the precious All Blacks haha

That ref thing by Fozzie is contemptible ...

Look at the All Blacks history. The ABs very rarely lose at home.. so by that standard it is a shocker! The Pumas have only beaten the ABs once before in history. Nothing to do with arrogance or whatever agenda.. The Irish had never beaten them in NZ before this year. Not many sides ever have.

Only had limited time.. can’t perform miracles :silly: same goes for Jason Ryan, both these guys will make a big difference. Not overnight

Exactly. Insulting by the NZ media and fans to label it an upset. Again, are the All Blacks not allowed to lose, at home, to the Pumas, ever? Instead of admitting defeat, no, they soften the loss by labelling it 'an upset'

They were feared? Uh perhaps that's the problem with NZ rugby: they stood behind this aura of invincibility and sitting a top a lofty pedestal of hype, and now it's exposed that simply can't hack it. The only fear is kiwi pride ATM haha it's tainted big time

What's wrong with the All Blacks losing a few games? Are they not allowed to lose, ever?

Nawww, he just beat tour Muppet though. It must be hars to cip another loss at home. You'll be right. Perhaps find another excuse ;)

Well said Amigo! I'm a Wallabies fan and can cop a good loss if the match was decent. Kiwis like Jokerman are losing their minds and are clearly frustrated at the All Blacks 'choking' when yes, my friend, they were clearly beaten by the better team. Vivo Los Pumas. But you must understand that as a kiwi, you're never allowed to accept the All Blacks lost to the better team. No, best to say they had a bad day and choked, never actual commend the Pumas! And if they lose to the Wallabies....Jokerman will have a stroke!

Yea, but just wait for the plethora of excuses if they did lose to the Wallabies!

The ref was perfect. All Blacks are simply struggling to shrug their reliance on deliberate illdiscipline when under the pump. They'll never learn. Lerhaps they're hoping to relieve the golden days of getting away with it

But, hang on, didn't Schmit coach Ireland? You'd think he would have provided more insight into how to counter them? Aren't all International Kiwi coaches awesome?