The June Internationals talking points: Everyone gets a bench spot

By Brett McKay / Expert

The first weekend of international rugby down this neck of the woods has resulted in two results that two countries were kind of dreading.

But if anything, the Wallabies and Springboks’ losses have really added some spice to this second weekend of Tests; try and imagine the build-up if England and Ireland were touched up last weekend.

As a result, the anticipation for the Tests in Melbourne and Johannesburg is far more pronounced, which will, in turn, be matched by the level of nervousness of the respective supporters.

It’s another big weekend of international rugby, and here are the talking points for the weekend’s fixtures.

Strength in numbers
Train stations in Melbourne were being scoured this week to find a bench long enough to cater for Michael Cheika’s reserves list, after he named 11 players on an ‘extended bench’ on Wednesday night.

As it was, the team announcement came a day earlier than the usual protocol. Which kind of begs the question of why, if no firm decision had been made around the bench by that time. Cheika then admitted in interviews later that he would be reverting to the traditional 5-3 forwards-back bench split, which with the need for three front rowers means that three of Dean Mumm, James Horwill, Ben McCalman, Liam Gill, and Wycliff Palu will be trimmed at some point today.

Quite why the team had to be named early when such indecision remained is beyond me. If Cheika really didn’t know which two forwards he was going to go with by then, why name a bench at all?

Either way, his final decision today will be interesting. Horwill wasn’t terrible after replacing Rob Simmons last weekend, and with Rory Arnold not likely to last 80 minutes, the Harlequins lock deserves to hold his place. Additionally, if Sam Carter went down early, then I’d be a touch worried about an Arnold-Mumm pairing.

And then the decision becomes one of who provides the most back-row influence. McCalman was probably unlucky not to start at No.8, and though he’d be solid, he’s not typically an impact-type player. Gill coming on late in the game to tear into the breakdown certainly has appeal, but equally, Palu has averaged 31 minutes a game this season for the Waratahs, and has certainly added a physical presence when coming off the bench.

I like the idea of Palu, but I’m still worried about the Wallabies’ ability to force the issue at the breakdown, meaning I can’t easily discount the need for Gill. Two backrowers and Scott Fardy as the lock cover, I wonder?

Eddie doubles down on Larwood
All the talk before the first Test in Brisbane was around Eddie Jones wanting his team to play ‘Bodyline rugby’ against the Wallabies, and there’s no doubt the Englishmen fronted up in the physicality and pressure stakes.

It’s hard to see England going away from that plan in Melbourne, though it was certainly interesting to see Luther Burrell benched inside half an hour last week, replaced by George Ford. Ford has retained his place in the starting XV for the second Test, suggesting that England will attack with brains rather than brawn.

But they’ll pick and choose their time to attack, too. With Ford and Owen Farrell alongside each other, they obviously won’t be wanting to play a lot of football in their own half. And in keeping the same forward pack, plus adding an extra bench forward – it’s Eddie’s turn to run the 6-2 bench – it’s a clear sign of their intention.

And it means the Wallabies need to deliver on their talk this week of learning the lessons of discipline.

In saying, “We’ve picked a 23 to get the job done in Melbourne,” Jones is laying down a gauntlet. ‘You better make sure you get a lead, because if we get ahead again, we’re just going to close you down,’ he’s saying to the Wallabies. If the breakdown was a mess in the last 20 in Brisbane, it’s going to be a whole lot worse in Melbourne.

I’m building my own anticipation levels just writing this. If the Wallabies can survive this test, it might be a moment in their development they look back upon fondly. It should be a cracker.

The bus parked
All Blacks coach Steve Hansen has sent two pretty clear messages to Julian Savea during and after the Eden Park win last weekend: your performance didn’t warrant finishing the game last weekend, and now it doesn’t warrant starting in Wellington.

Israel Dagg has been recalled, and he has been in sparkling from since returning from injuries for the Crusaders earlier this season. Ben Smith probably is the most complete fullback in the game currently, yet moving him to the wing to accommodate Dagg at fullback actually makes the All Blacks stronger!

Savea wasn’t quite providing enough spark, but there will be no shortage of that now from Smith and Dagg. Diggercane might’ve been right on the tipping panel yesterday; this one could really hurt Wales.

How will the Boks bounce?
There’s two ways the Springboks can go this weekend at Ellis Park, as they stare down the barrel of a historic home series loss to Ireland.

They can show that last week was just a bit of rust and really deliver for their new coach, or they can play exactly the same – or worse – and justify all the concern that has flowed from the Republic since last Saturday evening.

With a group of in-form Lions through their midst, the Springboks certainly now have the ability to play the way the Ellis Park crowd have come to enjoy. If Faf de Klerk and Elton Jantjies can complement each other, rather than Jantjies trying to do something every play as he’s sometimes prone to, there is plenty of space and pace out wide to use.

But like the Wallabies, it’s all going to come back to the Boks pack. They were outgunned by an Irish army minus one last week at Newlands, and this has to be the week Francois Louw and Duane Vermeulen deliver. The front row has plenty of work to do too, however.

Two weeks on deck and the pressure is sky-high already for Allister Coetzee. So what tricks does he have up his sleeve for this match?

Foley move could force Reds’ hand
If there’s one organisation that didn’t need yesterday’s news that Michael Foley’s time with the Western Force was up, it may well be the Queensland Reds.

In the middle of their own process to name a head coach for 2017 – we presume, there have been no real updates – the Queensland Rugby Union may now find themselves having to conclude their process sooner just to be sure they get the coach they really want.

A really interesting situation now exists, in which the ARU desperately need to find the best possible coach available to take over in Perth. It means they could, in effect, be competing with the Queensland Rugby Union for candidates.

Current co-interim head coaches Nick Stiles and Matt O’Connor could well be enticed to apply for the Force job, either as a fall-back position or even to force the Queensland Rugby Union’s hand. Stiles was an assistant at the Force before returning to Ballymore in 2014.

And wouldn’t it cause a stir if the Reds’ preferred candidate knocked them back because the ARU tabled a better offer to coach the Force? Cue the conspiracy theorists!

Enjoy your weekend of Test rugby.

The Crowd Says:

2016-06-18T13:46:40+00:00

Fox

Roar Guru


Eddie's actually a 5/3 split

2016-06-18T07:18:40+00:00

KTinHK

Roar Pro


And wouldn't it cause a stir if Foley got the job at the Reds... Stranger things have happened.

2016-06-18T01:32:08+00:00

moaman

Roar Guru


Akari I should clarify--I think Bird has impressed with the Chiefs too--but he needs to keep impressing over a longer period to show he has that little bit extra to make it back to the ABs. Enjoy the game tonight mate. ;-)

2016-06-17T23:49:25+00:00

wardad

Guest


Cheers mate ,was going to be in the UK at the end of the year ,looks like maybe scalpers then ,much as I despise them .

2016-06-17T23:37:01+00:00

AussieKiwi

Guest


Sausage Party: Claims of illegalities and the 16th man are standard fan responses to a loss. There I fixed it for you. Although, in the case of English posters, disappearing from the site is also a standard response as per the 2015 world cup. The lippy, patronising ones disappeared very quickly then and no doubt will do so again if WBs win the current series.

2016-06-17T21:26:11+00:00

Derm

Roar Guru


yes game is sold out. There are package tickets available as part of the November series for all three tests against NZ, Aus and Canada - €170 all in I think.

2016-06-17T14:59:45+00:00

Nicholas Bishop

Expert


Hi Fox. Pocock had three turnovers in the 1st Test, two of which were upgraded to pens. He also conceded one in the 30th minute breakdown I highlighted in the article. A lot of these Tests series are decided by who blinks first in selection. The best selectors remain calm and are not easily shaken out of their assessments of how they should be playing or who their best personnel are. I felt Cheika's run-on 2nd Test selection was excellent, but I sense a little jumpiness and uncertainty in the way the bench has been selected. The comment about Simmons was unnecessary, and I don't see why Horwill has been dropped for Dean Mumm - presumably Mumm will run the lineout if Sam Carter goes down... I don't see a problem with Sean McMahon, he fits the attacking pattern if Australia continue to shift the ball. The problem is that England now have a huge amount of momentum and confidence, which means that the Wallabies' margin for error will be pretty narrow.

2016-06-17T13:49:23+00:00

ThugbyFan

Roar Guru


Hi Digger, will think of your tears flooding the Wellington plains as Wales pulls off a shock victory. Were you the bloke at the Super Rugby years ago who used to get a chain saw going as opposition kickers lined up? Way better sound than bagpipes. :)

2016-06-17T13:30:34+00:00

wardad

Guest


Pot Hale is it true that all the tickets for the Lansdowne road test against the ABs have been sold to Irish clubs or supporters ?

2016-06-17T13:19:36+00:00

ThugbyFan

Roar Guru


Pretty spot on, Timbo. I doubt that one could put the words angel and prop in one sentence without MS LogicCheck going into meltdown. Similar to flanker and the term "abiding to the rules". I don't think people are tossing bricks at Dan Cole as the Devil Incarnate whereas poor little Sammy Sio was mugged while skipping to church. Both sets of props were pulling as many tricks as it takes to win the scrum or a penalty, gosh how surprising is that? Last match, Aust convinced Poitre that the English scrum were cheats, this match it was the other way around. What peeved off most Roar bloggers was the inconsistency of referee Poite's rulings, from illogical scrum penalties from which eventually poor above-said Saint Sammy got yellow carded, to some very odd non-rulings on head wrenching, tripping and offside play. Even so, the WB management should have known Poitre's cv and had plans to counter it. Sadly they didn't and the idea of the speed of WB forwards beating England's power game got splattered over the Brisbane turf. It was a great game to watch, except the Ending sucked. :)

2016-06-17T13:03:57+00:00

Harry Jones

Expert


Yessir

2016-06-17T12:45:00+00:00

ebop

Guest


What about possum Get stuck into them?

2016-06-17T10:57:44+00:00

Fox

Roar Guru


Hi Nick I actually think England's bench is stronger and how interesting that it is EJ that has gone for the 6/2 bench. I can't wait to see Jack Clifford play and I think Eddie deliberately held him back from the first test. Always hold something in your arsenal as they say. Seriously talented footballer with a big future who will bring an x-factor when he comes on - big. skillful and quick. I think he is superstar in the making along with Etoje who clearly is in that league. I thought it would be 2-1 Australia with England taking the first test as I said in a couple of my articles but I am not so certain of a Wallaby test series win now and though I'm not sure I totally agree with Rod Kafer that it might be 3-0 to England - I do think that he also thinks EJ's coaching experience will be the difference ( and has hinted as much) , and their superior kicking game. This will be an even more intriguing test tactically now the first one is out of the way I think. Also, interesting article in the SMH this week that Cheika wins 60% of his test with Pocock playing but only 40% when he is not But he hasn't been the influence on the game this season as he once was and I think McMahon brings element to the Wallaby back row that Pocock doesn't anyway.. Pocock only made one steal last test match. But I am not convinced of McMahon at 8 against England. Hope I am wrong but it's a plan that could work very well or back fire against Vinupola and Co

2016-06-17T08:47:37+00:00

Old Bugger

Guest


Chook Nah mate - its a kiwi mate. We've been taking turns each year to bet against the ABs in the hope that a tourists win, would bring home the bacon. Except, we have to put up points each year. This year, I had to give up 13pts off the ABs....

2016-06-17T08:42:18+00:00

Nicholas Bishop

Expert


Nice write-up Brett. I thought the Wallaby starting XV was a very positive selection - but now not so sure after the confusion of the bench! The only possible reason I can find for Dean Mumm's survival is that he can cover both lock and #6, but very surprised at both Simmons and Horwill apparently being dropped.

2016-06-17T08:09:45+00:00

Sausage Party

Guest


Hardly hyperbole. A quite accurate summation of the bleating that has been going on this week. Over at gagr, it is out of control. Claims of illegalities and the 16th man are standard oz fan responses to a loss.

2016-06-17T07:44:12+00:00

rebel

Guest


Definitely the tinfoil wearing banana benders Moa, which then riles up those with a phobia for foil and bananas.

2016-06-17T07:03:57+00:00

Machooka

Roar Guru


Thanks buddy... and I hope you enjoyed yourself out and about today. Rupert McCall... outstanding. Shame he's from QLD though :)

2016-06-17T06:53:38+00:00

Geoff Parkes

Expert


One last thing from the lunch - would be remiss of me not to mention... Many of you will have seen him before, but for anyone who hasn't... Rupert McCall, rugby poet extraordinaire... simply outstanding!

2016-06-17T06:48:47+00:00

Geoff Parkes

Expert


The vibe Chook, from people who should know, is that the pitch should hold up. Although I think that's said as much in hope as in science... If this rain keeps up then at least there'll be an excuse. (Timbo, no way will it be a bog. The only concern is over the scrummaging)

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