AFL trade rumours: Time to ditch the free agency compo pick

By Josh / Expert

If you, like me, thought that the Monday of the second week of the AFL trade period might be the day where the floodgates opened and a wave of deals sprang forth – well, you, like me, would be wrong.

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Only one deal was done on Monday and it wasn’t a blockbuster by any standards, though it might be remembered in years to come as a savvy piece of business – North Melbourne securing Paul Ahern from GWS for pick No.69.

However there were two big pieces of news on the day. The first was that, despite the Hawks calling him a required player, Jordan Lewis wants to go through with his mooted trade to Melbourne. It was widely reported that he has officially requested a trade and will likely be a Demon in the very near future.

We’ve got a fascinating situation developing here at Hawthorn and it’s going be a number of years before we can really pass judgement on it. They’re giving up a lot to secure their three big targets this off-season – not just in terms of the draft picks they’re swapping, but also in terms of the players they’re moving on.

If you asked a Hawks fan which players define the club, Sam Mitchell and Jordan Lewis would be pretty common answers. They finished first and second in this year’s best-and-fairest. But they will both be in new colours in Round 1, 2017, and neither of them because they wanted to leave of their own volition.

That heaps pressure on the Hawks to make these recruitments a success. While the romantics may fret about how the careers of club legends ended, the vast majority will forgive the Hawthorn heirarchy pretty quickly if another premiership is won with Tyrone Vickery, Tom Mitchell and Jaeger O’Meara in the side.

Still, when you’re giving up this much, you want to be investing in blue-chip stocks. Tom Mitchell is exactly that – a high-quality prospect who has no significant risks attached and will play the best football of his career at his new club. Jaeger O’Meara and Tyrone Vickery however, are not.

O’Meara’s talent is undoubted but the fact he hasn’t played a minute of AFL football in the last two years makes him very much a high-risk, high-reward scenario. Tyrone Vickery finds himself among such luminaries as Colin Sylvia and Liam Jones, as the butt of much AFL humour.

If things don’t pan out and the Hawks see only one of these three recruits become a serious success, then it’ll be hard to wipe away the frowns that Hawthorn fans are wearing right now.

All the same, I say kudos to the Hawks. They’re trying something a bit different, a bit wild, a little aggressive, and very new. (Click to Tweet) Maybe they haven’t handled it as well as they could have, but if they pull it off, they’ll change the AFL landscape yet again. And if they don’t, well, at least they gave it a shot.

The Hawks and Vickery also found themselves at the centre of the other big news item from Monday which is that the AFL are putting just a very little bit of investigation into Vickery’s free agency move.

Vickery was the first free agent to move this off-season, joining the Hawks on a two-year deal that netted Richmond a second-round compensation pick in return. But, there’s some concerns that this may have been engineered behind the scenes to deliver that result.

Central to the matter is the fact that Hawthorn initially reported that they had signed Vickery on a three-year deal, before correcting themselves to say it was just a two-year deal – as if they’d had a press release set up for a three-year contract, and forgotten to update it with new details.

The worry here is the possibility that Hawthorn may have been planning to put Vickery on less money per year over three years, which would have only given Richmond an end-of-second-round or third-round compensation draft pick, but changed their offer to two-year deal at higher pay so that the Tigers would get an earlier pick and agree under the table not to match the deal for the restricted free agent.

If Richmond had matched the offer then the Hawks would have been forced to pony up a trade for Vickery and, in doing so, make it harder for themselves to land Mitchell and O’Meara – restructuring the Vickery deal to improve Richmond’s compensation would be a much easier choice of road to go down, if indeed Hawthorn were presented with that juncture.

Of course, that’s all just rumour and innuendo at the moment, a very long way from fact. However, I believe many would agree with me when I say that the free agency compensation system is dangerously easy to abuse.

Consider the first three free agents to change clubs this season – Tyrone Vickery, Daniel Wells, and Chris Mayne. All three delivered their former clubs a second-round draft pick, and in all three cases that pick was more than they would have drawn if traded on the open market. I don’t believe any of their former clubs really wanted to retain these players, for exactly that reason.

Why should a team receive a draft pick because a free agent departed? There’s no such thing as a free lunch and where that draft pick actually comes from is every other club being shunted a little further down the order. How is that at all fair?

So long as the system exists, teams are going to look to abuse it. There’s a number of changes that need to be seriously considered in terms of how the AFL manages player movement, and I plan to look at them in detail next week after the trade period has wrapped up.

When that time comes, you can be sure that dumping the free agency compensation pick will be one of my key recommendations.

Lastly, a few other AFL trade rumours:

Rhys Palmer is looking a chance to move to Carlton, likely as part of whatever deal the Giants and Blues strike for Caleb Marchbank.

Sydney’s Xavier Richards has officially requested a trade to a Victorian club.

West Coast confirmed that Mitch Brown wants to play at a Melbourne-based club in 2017.

Port Adelaide, Brisbane and Gold Coast have reportedly settled on a three-team deal to get Pearce Hanley to the Suns, which could be lodged as soon as today.

The Crowd Says:

2016-10-19T00:34:02+00:00

Col from Brissie

Roar Guru


Aransan, I understand what you are saying and I guess a lot would depend on how deep the 2017 draft will be. At the end of the day it all comes down to whether a player you draft at 13 is going to be better than 2 players you draft at 20 and 31. Also with academy bidding and free agency compo picks 20 and 31 are more likely to be pushed back than pick 13.

2016-10-18T21:17:49+00:00

Aransan

Guest


Col, if Carlton were to get Adelaide's second round pick in 2017 wouldn't that mean that Carlton would have picks 2, 20 and 31 opposed to 2 and 13? I expect Carlton to take a step backwards next year with the loss of Gibbs and Tuohy and Gibbs will be great value for Adelaide. My use of points is to give a numerical approximation to value but I do accept that clubs give greater value to higher picks than the draft value index. Carlton's second round draft pick next year is likely to be quite valuable. Gibbs has not put Carlton in a strong position, perhaps the time has come for players not to have any say where they go when under contract.

2016-10-18T13:57:15+00:00

Don Freo

Guest


There seems to be a lot of assumption that O'Meara has no pride in his footy and no sense of team. I suspect he is elite in both those areas and will put in big time wherever he is. That's what that kind of footballer does. Even if he stays at GC, he'll be fully committed.

2016-10-18T13:10:51+00:00

Don Freo

Guest


That's unstoppable.

2016-10-18T13:09:18+00:00

Don Freo

Guest


Pearce has already beaten Walker, Gunston, Cameron and Hawkins. You are also forgetting Collins who is wonderful in traffic, as instoppable as a wrecking ball and makes great decisions.

2016-10-18T12:58:37+00:00

Handles

Roar Guru


This becomes a trade, not a free agency deal. And a trade determined after the fact by someone else. So nobody would ever do it.

2016-10-18T12:57:04+00:00

Handles

Roar Guru


They got compensation because the rule doesn't distinguish between strong clubs and weak clubs on the basis of one season's results. But the rule is there for the principle, which is to stop the raiding of weak team stars by strong clubs. The rule applies evenly across all teams. The protection is that the pick is based on the salary of the raided player being in the top 25%.

2016-10-18T12:41:42+00:00

13th Man

Guest


To be honest I think the player should be able to select the state but not the club they want to go to. This means clubs can get better deals. For instance if O'Meara simply requested Victoria, 10 clubs would be able to offer deals up and GCS would pick the best one, if Hawthorn really wants him that much then they would offer something better to GCS. Same goes with Gibbs and the Crows, if Port were also allowed to offer something up to Carlton maybe the Crows would offer something better so as not to lose Gibbs to port.

2016-10-18T12:37:37+00:00

13th Man

Guest


Don, you are so wrong on Hamling, he slots in as our no 2 defender, no 1 if Johnson is unfit. I know you rate Alex Pearce but Hamling at this stage is better. Hopefully this means Dawson never plays again.

2016-10-18T12:36:13+00:00

13th Man

Guest


Yeah it certainly is a rarity, normally we are terrible at this time of year. I think its because Brad Lloyd has taken charge instead of Chris Bond. Bond has a way of stuffing trades up.

2016-10-18T12:06:56+00:00

Col from Brissie

Roar Guru


Steve, I understand the Touhy deal would be for a second round pick and Smedts. If we get that then we could offer GWS our pick 25 and the pick from Geelong for Marchbank and Pickett or as Macca said a third round for Pickett.

2016-10-18T12:00:00+00:00

Col from Brissie

Roar Guru


Aransan, what do Carlton need points for in 2017? I'm with Macca, if the clubs finish in the order you predict then Carlton go into the draft with picks 2 and 13 as opposed 2 and 31. With plenty of salary cap space next year because of Thomas, Jones and now Gibbs they can make an offer to a quality player and with 2 first round picks they would be in a better position to deal than with one first round pick and a second round pick, or they get the second and thirteenth best young draftee.

2016-10-18T11:08:55+00:00

Macca

Guest


Aransan - points is one thing but I would prefer to get the 13th best player than the 20th much more than just getting the 31st player. Also while I don't rule out the blues finishing 17th if they just repeat this year our second round pick is twenty five.

2016-10-18T10:58:56+00:00

Aransan

Guest


Col, I think Carlton will lose out on that one. I would have preferred pick 13 plus the Crows second round pick for 2017. You can do the calculations with your own assumptions but I will assume that the Crows finish 6th next year and Carlton 17th. On this basis Carlton will get the Crows 13th 2017 pick (1212 points) and Carlton will give up their 20th 2017 pick (912 points) or a net gain of 300 points in 2017. On the other hand the Crows second round pick for 2017 would be pick 31 or 606 points. Can you justify the trade made with other assumptions?

2016-10-18T10:51:25+00:00

Macca

Guest


Steve - we don't get Marchbank through a trade we will get him in the PSD, GWS should know that and take 25. Pickett for a third rounder should get the deal done I would think.

2016-10-18T10:48:10+00:00

Macca

Guest


Sammy -I heard it was next years second round pick the blues are giving back but yeah I am pretty happy with that.

2016-10-18T10:44:19+00:00

Birdman

Guest


pick 19 for Buddy is hardly compo at all so scrap it altogether reckon

2016-10-18T10:28:54+00:00

sammy

Guest


The crows will be wanting to hope they win it or finish right at the pointy end, and that Carlton have a bad year or that trade is really going to hurt. I don't like it at all as there are apparently 5 South Australians in line for next years draft that are all top players and unless the crows have a first round pick, they have no chance of getting any of them. The deal that would have suited best is this years pick 13 and either next years second round pick / Lyons for Gibbs, and IMHO more than fair

2016-10-18T10:15:06+00:00

Col from Brissie

Roar Guru


Sammy, I am hearing Crows pick 13 this year and next year's first round with Carltons 2017 second round pick going to Crows.

2016-10-18T09:41:42+00:00

Cat

Roar Guru


Wrong. Only true if the two free agents were similar.

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