Collingwood vs Western Bulldogs: Friday Night Forecast

By Ryan Buckland / Expert

The reigning premiers assume their position in the Friday night spotlight, journeying across town to face the Pies. Uncertainty abounds for both of these teams. What better way to expose it than in the first prime time game of the year.

We spent some time looking at the prospects of both the Dogs and Pies in the preseason. Footscray can reasonably hope, and should aspire, to be a more rounded football team in 2017, owing to the injection of a handful of forward line players and the return of captain Bob Murphy.

Collingwood’s build continued last October, and with their emerging midfielders all about to hit their prime the time is now for the slide to stop.

The stakes are dramatically different for each team, though. Stagnation for the Dogs – another finish in the bottom half of the eight – would be an acceptable outcome given its list will likely get younger in the years ahead as some veterans move on.

Stagnation for the Pies spells the end for at least one key figure, and perhaps more.

There’s plenty of water to pass under the bridge before we get to that point. Tonight is all about reading the early signs of change from both teams.

The Western Bulldogs were handball happy last season, recording a kick to handball ratio of 1.05 during the home and away season.

In the finals series, this lifted to 1.14, as the Dogs reduced their handballing from 193 per game to 166 per game.

There has been talk about the Dogs’ handball-happy stylings in the lead up to Round 1, with many questioning whether Footscray’s short passes are kosher.

The AFL and many members of the media have put Footscray, unfairly, on notice. The first free kick paid for illegal disposal will be met with cheers and jeers. If there is one.

We know the Dogs; stylings manifested in chaos around the ball, for them and their opponents. The quick handball game will swiftly become the tactic de jour across the competition. Can the Dogs maintain their advantage when everyone else tries to imitate them? It’s a big question.

Interesting side note: the Dogs had kick-to-handball ratios of 0.87, 1.30 and 1.16 in their three JLT Series games.

Head coach Luke Beveridge could have been experimenting, or it could have been the result of game situations.

The Dogs only had one game with a kick to handball ratio of less than 0.87, and one with a ratio of more than 1.30, last season.

As we discussed a few weeks ago, the Dogs will evolve. Beveridge is a graduate of the Alastair Clarkson Coaching Academy, and too good a coach not to.

This remains a young team – 10 of tonight’s 22 are 23 or younger entering the season, and if the trio of 34-year-olds are taken out of the team the Dogs average age is 24.5, less than Carlton and Richmond’s selected sides last night.

Of critical importance is the manner in which the Dogs midfield dominance will now translate into scoring.

For most of last year, the Dogs had a bit-part forward line, made up of medium sized players, an out of sorts Jake Stringer and a green key forward in Tom Boyd.

Tonight they have Travis Cloke and Stewart Crameri patrolling the forward 50. Tory Dickson, one of the most efficient half forward flankers in the game, misses tonight but will presumably take his place from next week.

Speaking of Cloke, did you know he used to play for Collingwood and he was somewhat maligned and that tonight is the first time he will play against Collingwood?

The Pies enter the season with a stronger lineup than last season, particularly when you consider Dane Swan was only on the field for a couple of minutes.

Their midfield looks stronger on paper, but we know the issues the Pies have had translating on paper strength to on-field output in recent years.

Although as has been the case in recent years, the absentees for Collingwood are notable. Jamie Elliott, Daniel Wells, Jordan De Goey and Levi Greenwood will miss due to injury.

The Pies’ second big free agent signing of the off season Chris Mayne also missed selection, but due to a poor JLT Series rather than an ailment.

Despite this, Collingwood’s forward line looks solid, and once Elliott returns it will move up another notch in my books.

Collingwood’s back six looks like a sore point, and against an invigorated Dogs forward line it could fold without a strong performance from the Pies’ midfield. The midfield looms as an interesting match up.

The contrasts in this game are too strong to ignore. The Dogs built a team without star power; the Pies have half a dozen players with A-grade pedigrees. The Dogs were one of the league’s financial minnows (before last year’s windfall); the Pies have one of the strongest set of books. The Dogs have been rising; the Pies have been falling.

The Dogs have been the dominant team in their past five matchups against the Pies, winning four and kicking 90 points per game. They’re always been tight matchups, but that’s what the Dogs’ style results in.

That’s what I think we can expect here. Collingwood enter this season knowing that improvement is an absolute necessity. The Pies don’t have a great number of prime time slots this season – still probably more than they deserve on the basis of 2016 performance – and will be keen to make a good impression on the football public.

Neither side’s strength lies at the end of the ground, making this a battle of the midfields. In this respect, it comes back to system, and depth versus top end talent. The Dogs showed for much of last year, and for all of the finals series, that system and depth trumps system and talent.

Given we’re not sure about Collingwood’s system, this looks like a comfortable Western Bulldogs win at face value.

Personally, I’ll be watching the Pies closely, to see whether head coach Nathan Buckley and his crew have instilled anything other “pressure the ball carrier” into their team’s game plan.

The Dogs for me, by five goals and change. That’s my Friday Night Forecast, what’s yours?

The Crowd Says:

2017-03-24T14:16:40+00:00

Don Freo

Guest


Grundy?

2017-03-24T05:22:57+00:00

Paul

Guest


Thank you Ryan Like your

2017-03-24T05:20:42+00:00

Paul

Guest


And they were represented by

2017-03-24T05:07:30+00:00

Josh

Expert


Percival, that's a new one ;) I don't think I see Sidebottom as high as you or most people do - I would have him about even with most of the Dogs players I named. Not sure about 'how the Pies forward line comes together' - it's certainly possible for it to be more than the sum of it parts, but I'm not sure what you're basing that on. Stringer, I get the criticism of, but his 2015 season was more than anything any of Collingwood's forwards have ever done to deserve being rated. Ah well... we'll see how it all pans out by year's end :p

2017-03-24T04:40:17+00:00

Robert K

Guest


it seems to me that Collingwood does not have much of a gameplan, just seem to prefer to hack the ball around by hand or foot as best they can - there seems to be almost no system in their play. Whereas the Doggies do have a workable gameplan. Notice how well Doggies clear the ball out of their opponents 50 after a point has been scored. Most of their opponents are bad at making their forwards "defend" the ball coming out of their own 50. The Doggies have a viable method of keeping the ball in their own 50 or repeatedly getting the ball back in there after it has been "cleared" by their opponents. Notice also how well the Doggies press forward from their backline while keeping a good line of defense (some forward stars sometimes get behind the Doggies backline and they are not usually the talls - Betts for example). When evaluating the Doggies it is best to look at their general ground ball play rather than individual players of their opposition. As Bevo has said, it is more important that Cloke fits in to the gameplan rather than seeing him as a goal kicker - a bit like Buddy probably.

2017-03-24T04:20:23+00:00

Brian

Guest


I'm tipping Collingwood. They've been training for a month longer. Last time Bont had a blinder and the Dogs were lucky to get up by 3 points

2017-03-24T03:13:18+00:00

Penster

Roar Guru


Interesting to see what Bevo has developed as a handball contingency if the umpires clamp down on the "dog dish" that hallmarked their successful 2016 game style.

2017-03-24T03:08:24+00:00

Penster

Roar Guru


Too long for a Haiku.

AUTHOR

2017-03-24T03:08:23+00:00

Ryan Buckland

Expert


Joshua Percival Elliott. The half dozen Pies are (in no particular order): Scott Pendlebury, Adam Treloar, Steele Sidebottom, Brodie Grundy, Darcy Moore and dare I say Taylor Adams. Remember, we're talking pedigree here, not their last 10 games or something like that. It's not just possible, I would say its likely, that Collingwood have four of the best five players on the ground (would go something like Pendlebury, Bontempelli, Treloar, Sidebottom, Grundy). But the Dogs have much better depth from there on wards. Stringer gets zero love from me until he shows me his 2015 wasn't a flash in the pan. Macrae would be close to the most overrated player in the competition. Boyd, Morris and Johannisen are all great at their roles. Liberatore is a solid player, but I'd pick Taylor Adams over him. Dahlhaus is great - would probably put him as the Dogs second best midfielder behind Bontempelli. The thing with Collingwood's forward line is the way it all works together. It needs Jamie Elliot to work properly, but I think you're falling into the trap of rating on the basis of reputation rather than how it all comes together. Look I don't think you're completely wrong. But I think you are wrong on a couple of counts ;) Dogs will win, but by a moderate amount, not plenty.

AUTHOR

2017-03-24T03:00:17+00:00

Ryan Buckland

Expert


I like this guy.

2017-03-24T02:19:00+00:00

Redb

Roar Guru


I'm just going to put it out there that I think Collingwood will win. There are signs of a premiership hangover at Whitten oval. Hope I'm wrong.

2017-03-24T02:15:33+00:00

Paul D

Roar Guru


Switzerland? I think I'm missing the link. Only club who's had a link with Switzerland lately is Essendon and they're understandably not that proud of it.

2017-03-24T02:13:03+00:00

Paul

Guest


On paper Could white play wing and that guy who once kicked ten play forward Looks very very dangerous to me You assume all play as named in those positions First game cox played ( vfl) his opponent panicked So will they You do realise after only 34 games EVER HE HAS SCORED A BROWNLOW VOTE You don't think he has or will improve Sounds like sour grapes due to him picking collingwood over north

2017-03-24T02:06:39+00:00

Paul

Guest


I look at the relation between the dogs and Switzerland?

2017-03-24T02:04:04+00:00

Paul

Guest


Fair dinkum you blokes are way off the mark Varco if I remember was so highly rated he was given Gods number He was a a grade pressure forward ask geelong ( premier how many goals) Fasolo 6 goals vs Richmond and quality performances prior to injury Cox has a 25 cm height advantage over their full back, he clunks a couple watch out panic will reign What happens if Boyd goes down cloke in the ruck yeah that'll work The new look collingwood defence will suprise Much improved disposal Funny you all RATE GWS AND HOW THERE UNBEATABLE AT HOME THEIR RECORD AGAINST collingwood is rubbish So lets see what happens

2017-03-24T01:43:33+00:00

Paul D

Roar Guru


$500,000/year for Mayne not to play him round one because he's not deemed good enough. Wells already injured. Much as the pundits predicted would be the case in both instances. Oh well. Early days but let's shed a sympathetic tear for Collingwood and the fiasco that is their list. Dogs by 40+. Leaner, keener, meaner. Crowd to drop by 20,000 from half-time to full-time.

2017-03-23T23:33:06+00:00

me too

Roar Rookie


I look at the cattle and the bulldogs look enticing. I look at the game plan and the bulldogs have it I look at application and the bulldogs push harder. I look at consistency and it's almost a certainty.

2017-03-23T23:30:44+00:00

DingoGray

Roar Guru


Hook in Josh!

2017-03-23T23:13:03+00:00

I hate pies

Guest


Yeah thanks Josh...even with your mozz I'm confident my boys can do the job tonight.

2017-03-23T22:53:37+00:00

Tom M

Guest


It could be argued that the last time these two teams played at the MCG Collingwood were on their way to victory, but in the second half they had no bench left due to injuries. About 15mins to go in the last quarter they could no longer make any rotations and the game was ever so close.

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