Eight talking points from NRL Round 12

By Scott Pryde / Expert

Origin is on Wednesday, but there was still four games to get through in Round 12. Breaking from the usual script, they were all reasonably high quality and it gives up plenty to discuss in this week’s NRL talking points.

One stand-alone Origin weekend in 2018 is the way forward, but more must be done
We have reached that part of the season again where all the stars are off playing Origin, then backing up for their clubs, half the comp have a bye and the NRL season turns into a bit of a shambles.

It’s annoying on the weekends, but like every other league-lover I’ll be sitting in front of the TV on Wednesday night at 8pm.

The NRL have started to make strides forward for the 2018 competition, with the new TV deal putting the second Origin game on a stand-alone weekend along with a series of other representative matches.

New Zealand and England were confirmed to play a match across the Tasman during the week, while Pacific Tests and junior representative matches are also expected.

While one of the games is a start to fixing the club competition’s silly season, more must be done.

The biggest problem in front of the NRL is finding enough other content to fill the hole left by a weekend without club footy.

While the Pacific Tests work, as does New Zealand and England on the same weekend, taking a three-week hiatus from the NRL competition is not going to agree with broadcasters if there was only a single game played.

It’s an interesting situation, one that isn’t likely to be resolved before the next TV deal, but one that ultimately must be for the betterment of the club competition.

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Mitchell Moses and Corey Norman are going to be a brilliant combination
Mitchell Moses didn’t take long to find his touch in the blue and gold, did he? A brilliant first half paved the way to victory over a struggling South Sydney outfit on Friday, and he all but confirmed Brad Arthur made the correct decision to chase him early.

Moses had an up and down debut last week in a first-up win over the Raiders, but he turned it on like we all know he could in the first half, playing a hand in numerous Eels’ tries and leading them to a big lead.

His second half wasn’t quite as good, but he was among the best on ground for the Eels and that’s without yet partnering Corey Norman.

I wrote last week that Moses would benefit greatly from a week on the training paddock, and it rang true. Bring Norman back into this side and it’s going to be a lethal combination in the halves with the potential to be one of the best in the competition playing on the back of a pack featuring Nathan Brown, Tim Mannah, Tepai Moeroa and Manu Ma’u.

The Eels will actually be faced with a selection dilemma. Clint Gutherson is likely to move to fullback, but that leaves Bevan French moving to the wing – and who do you drop in the outside backs? Semi Radradra? Not likely. Josh Hoffman? He’s in good form as well.

Kirisome Auva’a and Brad Takairangi are also playing solidly in the centres. Parramatta have one two many good backline players – of course, that’s a better problem to have than having everyone hopelessly out of form, but Brad Arthur has some questions to answer at the selection table.

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Let’s learn from past mistakes – the Warriors are not premiership contenders and they won’t make the eight
There are three certainties in life – death, taxes and the Warriors being ‘premiership contenders’ by the end of the Origin period after six straight wins.

But let’s learn this time. Let’s lean from our past mistakes and not insert them as favourites for anything once the Origin window is over.

Let’s remember their first 11 weeks of the season before we talk them up as anything. This is a side who have been woeful. Absolutely woeful. There’s no two ways of putting it.

They then beat a ridiculously understrength Brisbane Broncos outfit on Saturday and the collective thought was ‘here we go again.’

Mark my words. The Warriors won’t make the top eight, so let’s not treat them like they will.

Robbie Farah proves Laurie Daley’s decision correct in 80 minutes or less
The former New South Wales hooker has had some good moments at Redfern this year – but they have just been too few and far between.

He has had some woeful performances and his effort against the Eels was no different. Ineffective ball running, poor options and some sloppy defence at times. He had it all and just quietly, Laurie Daley and his selectors would have been patting themselves on the back.

Farah is well past his prime, moved on from the Tigers. Giving Nathan Peats the opportunity was the correct thing for the Blues, and now the only question is who becomes the second option? Cameron McInnes or Apisai Koroisau?

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Paul Gallen wants to play on, and why would you stop him?
The Cronulla captain put in an inspirational performance against Canterbury on Saturday, winding back the clock with an effort that suggested he will be perfectly capable of playing another year in the Shire.

Some turned their nose up when he told the media he wanted to play on during the week, but there is no doubting his form is good enough.

22 runs for 240 metres and 27 tackles in a 65-minute performance, as well as the game-turning play as he scooped up a grubber kick and beat a couple of defenders to get out of his own in goal.

You would have thought it was Valentine Holmes running out of the in goal, not the lock forward in the last quarter of an hour. It was an incredible play, and along with the full performance, he was a key reason the Sharks made it eight wins from their last nine games.

Special mention to Luke Lewis as well. He joined his skipper with Origin players out and tried his heart out for 80 minutes.

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Should Junior Paulo be in sky blue on Wednesday night?
There are few front-rowers in the competition who are as difficult to tackle as the Raiders’ Junior Paulo. The statistics will prove it as well, running for 152 metres a game on nearly ten metres a run, with plenty of metres coming after contact as well.

While Canberra hasn’t been all that successful this year, it was another strong performance on Sunday afternoon as his side got the better of the the Sydney Roosters.

Paul Vaughan has been the man who has dominated selection discussion after missing out on a front row berth for the Blues, but Paulo, who has represented the New South Wales juniors in the past must have been in the discussion.

Where will Tuimoala Lolohea fit onto Cleary’s bus?
Lolohea was formally released from the Warriors over the weekend and is expected to be signed, sealed and delivered in a Tigers’ uniform, probably by the time you are reading this.

But the question still stands – where will he play for the Tigers during 2017?

An immediate release is what he was after, and most probably the Tigers as well, but the chance of him playing fullback next year has skyrocketed since James Tedesco signed with the Sydney Roosters.

Yet, he is likely to play halves for the remainder of 2017 alongside Luke Brooks thanks to the release of Mitchell Moses over to the Eels.

Of course, the Tigers are also trying to bring through youngster Jack Littlejohn who has been impressive without setting the world on fire. It’s obvious the Tigers will play Lolohea ahead of Littlejohn, but given the utility back couldn’t hold a spot at the Warriors, what happens if his form dips in a struggling Tigers outfit?

There is the potential of a spot in the centres ahead of Malakai Watene-Zelezniak, but it’s unlikely the Tigers would take the decision to drop any of David Nofoaluma, Moses Suli or Kevin Naiqama to accommodate Lolohea in the outside backs and, as already mentioned he isn’t going to play fullback ahead of Tedesco.

He will get first chance in the halves, but his form better be good because competition for spots on Ivan Cleary’s bus is hot.

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Benji’s back, but why on Earth did he replace Kodi Nikorima?
Full credit to Benji Marshall who was probably the Bronco’s best on ground in his return from injury against the Warriors in a losing side. But the question has to be raised about why he replaced Kodi Nikorima.

With Ben Hunt back, Marshall’s running game may have complemented Hunt’s style a little more than that of Nikorima, but after a shaky start alongside Anthony Milford, who was out in Queensland Origin camp, Nikorima appeared to be starting to grow into the role.

Instead of being allowed to prosper and continue building form alongside Hunt though, he was sent back to the interchange bench by Wayne Bennett for the veteran and limited to 53 minutes.

Marshall returned the faith Bennett had in him though, making 18 runs throughout the game and generally looking dangerous every time.

With Milford back after Origin though and the Broncos at full strength, it’s going to be intriguing which way they go in the halves.

The Crowd Says:

2017-05-30T05:39:30+00:00

Albo

Guest


Spot on about Souths ! Apart from big Sam & Angus Crichton they are a sorry out of form bunch ! Anytime John Sutton goes to 6 , you know things are drastic and their backline soon become bystanders. Cody Walker and Adam Reynolds have lost all form and the rest of the Burgess tribe are more a liability than a benefit.

2017-05-30T05:14:50+00:00

Albo

Guest


I tend to agree with you NOIP regarding the State Of Origin ! I say keep SOO mid week and revere it and cash in on it, and then also play full NRL rounds every weekend throughout the series ! If your club is lucky enough to have the real good players of our game in your team that get selected for Origin, just be thankful you have their services for 23 other rounds that most other Clubs won't have, rather than whinging about missing them for a couple of games ! If you sort your roster out, you should be able to compete with a few regulars missing, otherwise you are paying too much for the "marquee" types. In other thoughts: Moses & Norman I suspect might degenerate into a "too many cooks" problem for the Eels after a few games together. Both love the ball in their hands often. Warriors still have cultural issues to overcome before becoming serious contenders in the NRL. Farah's days are gone from SOO, and are now numbered at the Bunnies . Seems Sam is on his own there at present. Gallen is playing better than ever this year. But it is a style that the Sharks base their game around, which limits the involvement of other players who might otherwise be making their mark with a bit of ball. Right now this style is just getting the Sharks home but they have yet to have a serious injury to any key player in the squad for 18 months. Probability is surely knocking ? Junior Paulo is but one of a number of in form NSW props going around each week. There's nothing much wrong with Fifita, Woods, Klemmer, Vaughn, who are probably blocking his selection? His chance will come in time. Tuimoala Lolohea hasn't show us anything for a couple of seasons. Refer back to my "cultural" issues of the Warriors . I trust the Tigers aren't pinning too much on him being their next saviour ? Kodi Nikorima does appear destined for the Broncos utility role and fill in when others preferred aren't available. Boyd, Hunt , Milford & McCulloch are their obvious preferred spine for 2017. Nikorima & Benji will fight over the odd chance in the top grade or warm the bench.

2017-05-29T07:14:24+00:00

steveng

Roar Rookie


'Mitchell Moses didn’t take long to find his touch in the blue and gold' yeah, that's against a poor defensive Souths team and a team that can't take a trick. Lets see how he goes against more competitive circumstances. The performance of Souths on Friday night was a shocker and they never ever looked like winning.

2017-05-29T05:57:06+00:00

Emcie

Roar Guru


I think there was talk about benji looking at an assistant coach role and the one year contract was just to hold him over, not sure how true that is though

2017-05-29T05:30:20+00:00

Kilgore Trout

Roar Rookie


Great points .... The Warriors were set up at halftime , to come out in the second half and rack up some points and play themselves into some form . But did they ? Despite the win , this week said as much about them as the previous two . Which makes Lolohea the big winner this week . Why didn't Benji go to England ... if he wanted to keep playing ? The English game would suit him and the fans would love him . It's been a long time since he got any love in the NRL . I am not quite sure how his career unravelled , but in retrospect he seems to have been treated pretty harshly by plenty . In the same vein , if Gallen wants to play on he has earned the right to . It will be interesting to see how NSW go without him though . Might be ok I reckon . Sometimes you can't see the forest for the trees . If the Blues do win on Wednesday , selection debate will be moot but Paulo and Vaughan must be close to getting a run . I fear NSW may come up short again though, and pay the price for picking players out of position .

2017-05-29T05:03:59+00:00

Alex L

Roar Rookie


Hunt and Marshall both hadn't played a game in weeks due to injury, big call to make on one game -- especially when the forwards got ruined.

2017-05-29T04:48:39+00:00

Nat

Roar Guru


You're right about Farrah. His constant first step robbed his big men of time and space to the point where Pritchard was driving back the Burgess Bros. Let Sam wind up with ball in hand and he leaves footprints on little hookers every other day. I'm not sure where Paulo would find time to suit up for Origin. What with running between Canberra and Engadine. Sry cheap shot but so is hitting the halfback 5 seconds after passing the ball. Not a Gallen fan but cannot argue with his game on Saturday. Although I do think Lewis will be a greater loss. Fit as he is, it was a loooong way to the tryline after he defused that grubber 90m away. Lewis was the catalyst against last week as well. Worst of the weekend 1 - 17 Broncos. Nothing controversial about Bennett's plan with Kodi, he's been paying that 'added energy' role for years and as good as he has been at #7 the last few weeks, with both Benji and Hunt in and McCollough out, it was the best option. Benji was OK in an ordinary team performance but no attacking direction from any of them. No line speed or commitment in defense. All those young forwards have a ways to grow into 1st graders. The NZ spine has been underwhelming this year but with 10m space each ruck... Probably should've been beaten by plenty more.

2017-05-29T04:37:05+00:00

matth

Guest


Just on Marshall, it was good to see the old guy get a run. Funny watching him sprinting cross field for Brisbane's second try and basically being trailed by jogging second rowers. In the old days he would have been around and under the posts. I thought Bennett's decision on Marshall and Nikorima was correct, given the troops available. Basically he had Hunt, Marshall, Nikorima and Waddell available to fill 6, 7 and 9. Waddell was the obvious one to leave out. So which of the other three can play hooker? Nikorima. But he can't play there for 80 minutes. So Bennett had Waddell come on to tackle and absorb some punishment for 25 minutes and then let Nikorima play out the match. Only problem was the Warriors were basically out of sight by the time Waddell went off. Hopefully McCullough will be back next week. Then it will be a straight choice between Benji and Kodi.

2017-05-29T02:39:16+00:00

Joe

Roar Rookie


Glad to see Tui Lolohea going to the Tigers and coming under Cleary. I thought he was one of the brightest young prospects during his rookie year but seems to have really fallen off the radar at the Warriors. Hopefully Cleary can get his best out of him. I think he will play 5/8th this year and shift to fullback next year.

2017-05-29T02:36:36+00:00

Joe

Roar Rookie


I think they were only going to pick one penalty-machine prop so they went with Fifita. They also have a penalty machine 5/8 in Maloney.

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2017-05-29T01:55:53+00:00

Scott Pryde

Expert


Morning Max, Thanks for that. Moses - not sure he is Origin material, but he is there and abouts. Every other Blues half has had the chance to be there. I agree with McInnes. He has been on fire for the Red V this season.

2017-05-29T00:57:38+00:00

Agent11

Guest


Cam Smith is the only player I could see playing until 40 and still being useful.

2017-05-28T23:52:33+00:00

kk

Roar Pro


Hi Scott. Your "talking points" segment is always rewarding reading. re MM. When Arthur encourages him to develop upper body strength he will be on his way to Origin. I expect that to materialise during season 2018. re Hookers. Epiquin says Koroisau. I say McInnes. Both are playing eye-catching football and I rate them both ahead of the also respected Peats. re Lolohea. I reckon IC will develop him into a top quality utility with happy days at club and representative level.

2017-05-28T23:16:55+00:00

andrew

Guest


That the Bunker decision to award the Alex Johnson try "base on the decision of try on the field", doesn't make a talking point, shows that we have got to the point where we are accepting inept or corrupt officiating in the NRL. - You assume inept, but wow, between that, the 10-5 penalty count and no try to the Eels for a forward pass - you can't rule anything out...

2017-05-28T23:10:39+00:00

Magnus M. Østergaard

Roar Guru


Im a qlder, you should know better. Nah in all seriousness I dont think they have any effect on him now. Guys a genetic freak and needs to be dissected for science.

2017-05-28T23:09:18+00:00

Magnus M. Østergaard

Roar Guru


Its fair enough too that he will be under pressure. Tui is a small bloke so he will have his work cut out for him playng weekly in the front line. Hes smaller than Coote & Brooks fro example. I think a part of his form was that he wasnt playing any position really consistently, but then again he was given the opportunity sometime last year and didnt take it with both hands. Certainly had a little chuckle about his comments about playing hooker, but Im not sure what you can expect from a centre. I was mildly surprised that they picked Peats with no real back up hooking option. Thought they might have gone with a 2 hooker rotation including McInnes or Api.

2017-05-28T23:02:28+00:00

The Spectator

Guest


Yeah I would really like to go back to fortnightly games and leave it as is, work NRL around Origin.

AUTHOR

2017-05-28T22:42:58+00:00

Scott Pryde

Expert


Slip of the mind there Vincent - Youngster isn't the correct word to describe Littlejohn, but talented is. Lolohea is going to be under pressure nonetheless, because there is a reason he has been in reserve grade at the Warriors - sure he is on the outer, but his form hasn't been all that crash hot. On James - he and Vaughan would be my starting props for the Blues with Fifita and Klemmer off the bench, but that's me. Bird's comments about playing hooker concerned me. Something like 'You just pass the ball to the halves when they want it, and to the forwards when they don't or something like that.'... Does he genuinely not know how it works?

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2017-05-28T22:40:27+00:00

Scott Pryde

Expert


Hey mate, Not sure that one is going to work. You want the best players on the park for Origin, and a 30 man squad with three games in a fortnight isn't the way to achieve that.

2017-05-28T22:35:36+00:00

Renegade

Roar Guru


Here I was thinking you don't post dribble.... such a shame.

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