Five quick takes from AFLW Round 2

"In the meantime, congrats to both the AFLW and Optus Stadium for the record crowd and what I’m told was a great atmosphere at the game." Miss someone? Congrats to the Dockers and heir fans for turning out in droves to support their team .... and the few Pies fans who came out to watch as well.

Yet it hasn't and it will be quite a while before it does.

Plenty more obfuscation though!

Still no references I see.

"Richmond supports the Recognize campaign." They support a campaign that has been wound up! That really is decisive action! " I suppose they thought their captain doing an interview about his support of marriage equality was enough?" Seems a bit of a cop out to me, the club won't have an opinion but we'll let the captain express his personal views! "I actually don’t think (marriage equality to avoid to moderator) in general are ‘political’ subjects." Exactly but voting clearly is political - so the blues stayed out of the political side but support non poltical. "When I used the word ‘We’ in my first comment I was putting myself in the position of the Carlton board or at least John Elliott" John Elliott has nothing to do with the Carlton board and you assumed the board were thinking the exact opposite of you - doesn't make a lot of sense.

Hahaha You are shameless. I call you out on a set of behaviours just a post or so ago and you don't even blink, you just double down. Incorrigible you are. "but sub clause 19 of appenx F paragraph 6 of the constitution of Namibia it says "that" not "it" and surely that offers precedence" hahaha

Dalgety - "telling” as implied by Carlton was like ordering, advocating is like saying here’s why we think voting yes is a good idea" Oh yeah, I forgot that when the AFL changed their sign to YES they also covered the walls with detailed well reasoned arguments and that political campaigns much prefer to get into the complex issues rather than just take out full page ads with just the words "Vote Yes". Political Campaigns (and Ad campaigns in general) are completely designed around "an emotionally driven process". As for hiding my tracks, why would I want to do that when the tracks clearly show that out of the two of us I am the only one who knows what mutually exclusive means? "someone can agree with a few points, yet not care enough to agree one way or another" But those people generally don't post repeatedly over an extended period of time and the points they agree with aren't polar opposites.

I referenced that article because a) I had to read it recently and b) there is no consensus in the medical fraternity regarding emotion and the limbic system. This is just one article questioning this belief. Now I don't personally know because I'm only required as a student to know the very basics, at present, in this field. I'll probably never be interested in this field. You made this statement (which I commonly see you do in this area): "So all too often strong opinions are opinions forming supporting evidence, rather than evidence supporting the forming of opinion." I want to see you reference some evidence to suggest you're right. I'm tired of you making definitive statements using nothing more than fancy words to confuse people on this site. You have made a massive assumption here and made it sound like fact to the reader. Once again, I want you to reference solid evidence to support your argument in this field. I've provided evidence for my argument i.e. we don't really know. I'm educated enough to understand this and never would make a statement like you have done.

That AFLW will is significant to the growth of footy.

If VR technology advances to the point where the majority of people watch virtually from home, why would you need to build billion dollar stadiums? As usual you pick and choose the bits you want to remember to include.

I know people do it, I just don't think there are that many. And as pointed out Freo pipped WC for attendances in 2010, 2014 & 2015.

I should have included self-refereeing as a strategy too I guess. Don't be silly Macca, "telling" as implied by Carlton was like ordering, advocating is like saying here's why we think voting yes is a good idea. But again that's a sideline from the topic here and now. Macca someone can agree with a few points, yet not care enough to agree one way or another, that too is fine and perfectly within the realm of adults. More so than just picking an opinion for the sake of it, or because someone tells you too, which would entirely be an emotionally driven process. You seem to be just throwing random stuff around with that first paragraph, in what seems like muddying the waters to hide your tracks, as it's not really making much tangible sense to what it claims to be describing. Rick, is that just some random article you just dredged up on emotion and consciousness? The article does seem to be interesting, but what they outline regards the mechanics of emotion is entirely consistent with what I said about our response to emotion being integrated into the opinion-forming process. Try and vague-fake your way through it all you like, but you'll have to be more specific if you what that to relate in some way.

I would agree 100%, it would take the opposite of insecurity to develop your own game. The problem being that generation after generation after generation Australians did not transverse the world settling it like the British did, so therefore after an extended period the game does appear insular because it has not to the same degree expanded. The first Italian and South American soccer clubs were formed by English expats and interestingly were also i believe cricket clubs, i wonder if the first Italian and South American clubs were footy clubs what would have happened. If millions of Australians settled other parts of the world taking their game to countries who did not have established football codes in place where would our game sit now ? That is a logical argument that these blokes prefer to disregard. Australia is the arse end of the world, people who come here dont want to leave in the main - whatsmore plenty of the time i actually like it like that.

have thought a bit more about your comments on sydney/nz and their respective needs to retain some sort of cultural attachment to the motherland ..... it amuses me greatly that some posters on the roar (soccer posters in the main but leaguies have a go to - suspect these posters are sydney folk by the way - ill let you draw your own conclusions on that) acuse afl fans generally and melbournites particularly of a insecurity and insularity .... yet, if your argument holds true, here is an example of a new settlement doing its best to forge its own unique identity albeit through sport .... doesnt sound insecure or insular in the slightest ... quite the contrary .... speaks of a confidence in the settlements view of itself and its place in the world (lets not forget that melbourne was at one stage during the mid to late 19 century one of the worlds wealthiest towns - its an absolute tragedy melbourne has lost a lot of its architectural heritage from that era which would have provided an incredible story of the confidence of that time but thats another story)

Much more common ground than not i imagine, so all good and TBH i forget who i argue with so even better :)

our political differences aside (we got sidetracked on a another article recently - much to the frustration of some posters), have enjoyed this chat ..... certainly provided food for thought ... cheers

Wills would have been exposed to the Muscular Christianity ethos at Rugby school and he amongst others sought to expose it to Melbourne through football and cricket but by a series of quirks of fate we developed our own game earlier than most countries and by the time large numbers of people were migrating here with established football habits already formed we had our own, just out of interest both the first Collingwood and North Melbourne Presidents were both born in London, that i discovered just in 5 minutes of googling the clubs earlier today seeking info. The real reason IMO why Sydney did not take to our game which by and large is the same reason why NZ didnt is because it looked to the mother land for sporting inspiration, it decided that learning a game from it's little brother was never going to happen no matter what the game and how good it was perceived to be, had the boot been on the other foot and the game had started in Sydney IMO we wouldn't be having this discussion, our game would probably be on equal footing throughout the land.

Google recoup costs through various means. Teams pay a ground hire fee to play a game at a $1.5 billion stadium Stadium operators charge a large ground hire fee to the team to pay running costs for the stadium and pay for the enormous cost of the stadium to taxpayers. In order to pay ground hire fees, teams charge punters money at the gate. This offsets the cost of rent. Some of you are away with the fairies. Tell me how will teams come up with enormous ground hire fees over the course of a season if not through gate takings? How will shiny billion dollar stadiums be built if not through recouping costs via ground hire fees? Do you see how it's all interconnected?

interesting .... another lens worth examining this through is the influence sydneys penal administration had in influencing its cultural outlook .... seem to recall the art historian robert hughes rejecting outright the argument that viewed sydney as a benthamite experiment in panoptic control (not sure this argument can be dismissed entirely out of hand) .... melbourne by contrast was estabalished as a free settlement although i understand and respect that descendents of indigenous australians may strongly reject that .... did the cultural contrast between penal and free settlement (indigenous criticisms notwithstanding) have bearing on peoples attitudes towards sport .... it could in some ways explain the import of this argument about muscular christianity

The old Micks probably run the game these days, but religion is not really any sort of issue these days, particularly between the different Christian strains here. If we look at two of the traditionally staunchest Catholic clubs, one- Collingwood was transformed from Britannia FC which is about as British and a non Catholic name as you can get in the 1890's not necessarily to be inclusive religion wise but to more represent a suburb and two - North Melbourne who apparently took their colors from St Marys Anglican ( church of England then) in North Melbourne. Catholics didnt start really having a great influence IMO in the game until the 1890's. The game was Protestant run in Melbourne IMO, although it may have been different in the more equality driven goldfields. Not sure whether that helps or not.