Call Nathan Cleary overrated all you want, he's still worth every cent

By Penrith Punter / Roar Guru

Is Nathan Cleary overrated? Perhaps. But does that mean the Panthers shouldn’t have locked him up long term? Of course not.

Calling Cleary overrated doesn’t mean he isn’t a good player. His ability has been over-exaggerated through no fault of his own.

But that certainly doesn’t make the Panthers’ decision to re-sign him until the end of 2024 a poor one.

When Phil Gould arrived at Penrith in 2011, he was greeted by a financial mess. Despite having the biggest rugby league nursery in the country, there was no long-term direction at the club. It was all about short-term success, and they weren’t experiencing much of that either, having made just one finals series in the six years prior to Gould’s arrival.

At that point, just 20 per cent of Penrith’s playing roster were local juniors. Seven years later, that number stands at 80 per cent, and there have been just four finals appearances along the way.

Cleary is one of Penrith’s most promising products to come through the ranks during Gould’s time at the club. While the 20-year-old isn’t the most spectacular player, it’s the hard work he does in defence that often goes unnoticed. Cleary tops all of the current starting halfbacks in the competition in defence with a tackling efficiency rate of 87 per cent.

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He also ranks the second-best when it comes to the least try-causes and line-break causes, averaging 0.4 per game in both categories.

Like Cleary, young Gold Coast halfback Ashley Taylor secured his future with a contract worth over $1 million dollars a season. While Taylor has plenty of potential with the ball in hand, it is his defence that needs to improve, however, the opposite is true for Penrith’s Cleary.

Stat Cleary (per game) Taylor
Tackles 15.2 14.8
Missed tackles 1.5 2.6
Ineffective tackles 0.6 1
Tackle efficiency 87% 80%
Try-causes 0.4 0.8
Line-break causes 0.4 0.8
Errors 0.6 2.2
Kick errors 0.1 0.9

It was after Cleary’s debut against Melbourne that there was a feeling this kid was going to be something special. Penrith lost the game 24-6 and Cleary didn’t score a try or set one up, nor did he record any line break or line-break assists.

It’s the stuff you typically look at post-game when assessing the performance of playmakers.

What you don’t expect to see is a halfback making 38 tackles in his debut game. But that’s exactly what Cleary did, and he only missed three in the process.

A strong work ethic is something you can’t teach. Fortunately for Penrith, it’s something Cleary proved that he had in just his first game at the top level.

There are areas of his game that Cleary needs to work on – definitely. His vision in attack comes to mind.

Stat Cleary (per game) Taylor
Try-assists 0.6 1
Line-break assists 0.8 0.8
Kick metres 221 283
Forced dropouts 0.4 0.5
Tries 0.2 0.1
Line breaks 0.4 0.1

While Cleary has shown himself to be more than capable of controlling a contest with his kicking game, he is yet to prove that he has the variety in attack to become an elite playmaker.

The extent of his passing game can at times appear limited to throwing short balls to second rowers, which is more than understandable when you have the rampaging Viliame Kikau as a teammate.

But it’s not like he’s useless. Cleary still possesses one of the most lethal running games in the competition. Better still, he may soon be joined in the halves by boom rookie Jarome Luai.

In Cleary’s absence during the representative period, the 21-year-old inspired Penrith to a 36-4 win over the Warriors, scoring two tries, setting up one and busting 11 tackles. He’s the perfect complement to Cleary, who is more suited to being a game manager and they should form a lethal combination once James Maloney departs.

Yes, Cleary doesn’t have every element of his game perfect. But he is only 20 and it’s completely unrealistic to expect him to be completely flawless.

You only have to look at the path current Roosters halfback Cooper Cronk took to becoming the player he is today.

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Both Cleary and Cronk have a similar style of play, with the latter’s game obviously far more developed. One advantage Cronk had in his development was coming through the Melbourne Storm system, where any player can be transformed into the best version of themselves.

As Cronk did, with the right guidance, Cleary will only improve. Despite developing plenty of talent in the past few years, the challenge for Gould and the Panthers has been holding onto them.

Since 2013, 59 players have made played first-grade footy at Penrith. 38 of them have now moved on, either retiring or departing for another club.

They combined to record 1163 games at the foot of the mountains, an average of just 31 per player.

The constant turnover of personnel has been a constant issue for the Panthers.

Since 1967, when they entered the league, Penrith have had 578 players. Just eight of them have played over 200 games for the club, while none have surpassed 250. More recently, it was the loss of captain Matt Moylan that hurt the most.

Having made his club debut in 2013, Moylan was touted as the next face of the Panthers as a brand and after re-signing until the end of the 2021 season, few ever imagined the now 27-year old playing anywhere else.

Yet he left, for a good reason. And so to did local junior Bryce Cartwright. Again, for a good reason.

Regardless, there was a lot of initial confusion from the club’s members and fans that would have turned into anger if Cleary was allowed to walk out the door.

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He’s already played 58 games for Penrith and is just 20. Now, a lot could happen in the next decade or so, but if Cleary was to stay for another ten years and averaged 20 games per season, he’d crack the 250 mark.

Sure, if the boom halfback wanted to join father Ivan at the Tigers there was little Penrith could do (outside of luring Ivan back of course).

But they simply couldn’t do it again to the club’s loyal fanbase. At just 20 years of age, Cleary is just the kind of player that the Panthers can use to promote themselves, well-mannered and mature beyond his years, there’s nothing remotely unlikeable about the youngster.

And then you have what he has achieved on the field – a series-winning State of Origin halfback, leading the Panthers to three straight finals series and becoming top points scorer for the competition in 2017.

While Cleary wasn’t by any means dominant in the sky-blue jersey, he didn’t need to be. He did his job and showed few bad signs on the big stage.

The argument many have given against signing Cleary on big money is his youth and therefore there’s every risk he could fail to reach any great heights.

Well, why don’t we look at the other side of that argument, where there’s every chance he does become Penrith’s first long-term solution in the halves since Craig Gower.

Sure, Penrith have taken a gamble in offering a 20-year old a five-year deal, but it’s a risk the Panthers needed to take.

The Crowd Says:

2018-09-26T20:26:53+00:00

Magic Mike

Roar Rookie


I am not sure about the "guy around him to build a team" bit. I mean for a starters Cleary is definately not a superstar in waiting or has he shown potential to be a future immortal. All we have is a half back raw one at his best. For all the money, he may end up as a regular hooker - good defence, can kick and with good passing game. Penrith have gambled here and if this decision becomes another flop, it will back to square one for penrith fans.

2018-09-25T07:12:27+00:00

MarkD

Guest


Gday Andrew, I agree with your article and your second line is where I am at. I am one of those who think he is well over rated but it doesn't mean he isn't a good player. The hype around him pre origin was huge, and while he didn't do anything wrong he didn't do anything special either. Personally i reckon that nsw have a couple of halves I'd put ahead of him,. Adam Reynolds, luke Keary and if Pearce didn't get injured, his form pre origin for the knights probably would have got him selected for origin Like you, l also think his attack and ability to manage the game are his biggest deficiencies. Compare his last game where he had quite a few opportunities to get the equalizing field goal to Reynolds game against the Dragons. 3 field goals to ice the game. I'm not completely sold on him at half and I reckon he'd be a gun at hooker. Great defence, a good kicking game and tough. All in all, Penrith had to sign him, local junior and a quality player in the making.

2018-09-24T21:33:21+00:00

peeeko

Roar Guru


do we know Taylor is getting over 1 mil? i reckon know but we jjst have to believe News limited i guess

2018-09-24T20:15:04+00:00

The Barry

Roar Guru


You may have inadvertently hit on part of Panthers problems. How often do you hear other club CEOs talk about plans for players and rosters. It’s usually at the coach. At Penrith it’s “Gould said...”

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2018-09-24T08:59:53+00:00

Penrith Punter

Roar Guru


I have thought Cleary could work at hooker for the qualities he has but halfback is definitely his best position. His game management wasn't as apparent this year because Maloney took over - whether he is worth the risk will be more obvious when he goes and Cleary is left as the main organising half.

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2018-09-24T08:58:28+00:00

Penrith Punter

Roar Guru


Cleary isn't a speedster per say but not all halfbacks outside of Shaun Johnson, for example, are. I have seen him burst through the middle of the field with a decent amount of pace though. He could be a dangerous runner of the ball, he just needs to back himself more and that'll come perhaps when Maloney goes.

2018-09-24T07:14:30+00:00

R N

Roar Rookie


I have been critical of Cleary in the past... actually I wont say critical, I think I have been more measured in my assessment of his game. Firstly, I think he is a really solid player! However, I really don't think he has that next level in his game. His attack is on the pedestrian side and I am yet to see good evidence this game management that has been touted. He is basically Peter Wallace downloaded in a new skin (Altered Carbon reference), and I wouldnt be at all surprised to see him become a defence oreintated hooker who kicks occasionally in general play!

2018-09-24T07:07:06+00:00

Forty Twenty

Roar Rookie


In the last quarter of a century not one great NSW half back has debuted at NRL level. Harold Holt has been found but another porch light is still burning fiercely waiting for someone who can be spoken about in the same breath as Mortimer, Sterling or Johns. Cleary could be the one but I can't really see it at the moment. I can't fault his game in general but I find it hard to get fired up about halves who aren't dangerous runners of the ball and able to break a game open at times. I'm not sure how quick he is but he doesn't look like a natural speedster but more like an endurance type. If Cleary and Greg Alexander were both 20 now for me the choice would be very easy for me as to who I'd want my club to sign. In saying that I could be surprised and he could be the next great half.

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2018-09-24T06:44:46+00:00

Penrith Punter

Roar Guru


Of course there is always that risk - I definitely agree - you always want players to be wanting to do their best and not feeling like they can ease off because they are earning 'x' amount of dollars and have a long-term contract. But at the same time, if they don't take that risk, another club would've and I think they would have regretted. It'll be interesting to see how he goes but Nathan doesn't strike me as the type of player who'd do that. He seems driven and grateful for everything he gets. We'll have to see.

2018-09-24T06:41:26+00:00

The Barry

Roar Guru


I get that. The Panthers did what they needed to...it’s the player that these days don’t always work out for. When you’re young and hungry there’s incentive to keep getting better. Do you have that same imperative when you’re 20 and getting a million a year...and that’s guaranteed for the next six years? He’s nowhere near the stage of his development where he can rest on his laurels but that’s an automatic response when you’ve got a big deal. How often do five plus year deals go sour for older players? Cleary seems like he’s got a level head but it’s still a risk. He wouldn’t be the first player brought undone by this sort of deal.

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2018-09-24T04:54:36+00:00

Penrith Punter

Roar Guru


Luai is signed until the end of 2019 but Gould has openly said he is a big part of their future plans at the club. I still think having Maloney there is important as a spine of Edwards, Katoa/Egan, Cleary and Luai would still be relatively young. Need some experience there.

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2018-09-24T04:53:30+00:00

Penrith Punter

Roar Guru


While I agree there'll be a lot of pressure on him now, it probably depends on the interest from other parties. If they offered him a two-year deal versus the Tigers putting forward a five-year contract, he may wonder why Penrith are so hesitant and whether Wests is the right fit for him if you get what I'm saying?

2018-09-24T04:19:48+00:00

The Barry

Roar Guru


Yeah... I did say “definitely a good signing for the Panthers” and agree they have done well to lock him up. How often have we seen long term deals go wrong for young players though? There’s no alternative for the Panthers but I don’t think these mega deals are always in the players best interests.

2018-09-24T04:15:55+00:00

Nat

Roar Guru


Has Luai been re-signed? He could be a very good utility and play any spine position. Jimmy does have a few down sides but many upsides that the young fellas could learn from. Admittedly, I put a lot of stock in mentors. Interesting thought, I wonder who becomes the better/more prominent half in year to come, Cleary beside Jimmy or Keary beside Cronk?

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2018-09-24T04:08:20+00:00

Penrith Punter

Roar Guru


Great insight there Joe - the coaching staff around him will be crucial in getting the most out of him. Agree his defence is something he has never struggled with and means that while the focus should always be on defence, he can place more emphasis on learning how to develop his skills with the ball in hand. Don't know if he'll be as good as Cronk but they might as well take the punt and see because he's bloody good for a 20-year old.

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2018-09-24T04:06:18+00:00

Penrith Punter

Roar Guru


Well if they didn't beat/match another club for $$$ they would have lost him. Sure he has a lot to learn in attack but he's only 20. They are banking on him coming good and I think it's the right call rather than letting him go to another club for more money and regretting it later.

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2018-09-24T04:03:44+00:00

Penrith Punter

Roar Guru


Yeah I really hope he doesn't suffer the same way Hunt has but he's only young so hopefully people will understand he will only get better with time.

2018-09-24T04:01:32+00:00

Nat

Roar Guru


Fair point, there's more hype over Ivan than Nathan baed on what they've achieved in their careers so far. I'm assuming there's some type of 'working with Dad' clause.

2018-09-24T03:59:22+00:00

Joe

Roar Rookie


Agree Albo. This is the type of player you have to sign long term. At 20 he has a lot to learn though and I really hope they put the right people around him to help him. I don't see many halfbacks who were at the stage he is in now at 20 years old. I also think defence is one of the most important aspects of the game that young halfbacks are having trouble with. The Brooks, Ash Taylors and Crofts...all great in attack but don't have the attitude for defence. Cleary has a pretty good attack as well, decent running and kicking game and great pass so he will get better with time. I think he will be a better version of Cronk who wasn't a natural half to begin with. Great defender but has a better pass and running game. Wish he was at the Storm...with the systems and coach they have and Cleary's discipline and attitude he would be absolutely lethal in the halves with Munster. In fact I think that should be the Kangaroos pairing going forward.

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2018-09-24T03:44:41+00:00

Penrith Punter

Roar Guru


No Maloney and Penrith don't make the eight this year. They need him at the moment to win the comp. If Luai gets tired of waiting though I'd be tempted to move Maloney on to fast track his development as he could form a long term combo with Cleary. But I think Luai should be eased in off the bench next year as Maloney is still crucial while Luai still needs to prove himself at a consistent level in top grade.

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