The Roar of my favourite crowd

By gatesy / Roar Guru

Tonight was one of those nights when I got some nice thinking time in.

My wife was off with one of her girlfriends at some glam night – probably going to be expensive, in the long run. I did hear the name “Paspaley” chucked around – he might have been some prop in a local comp, but I don’t think that was the one she was talking about – something about trying on a pearl necklace worth a squillion.

Talk about champagne taste on a beer budget! Inya dreams, darl!

My beautiful bubba (14 year old princess) is off at school camp.

My rock star son and I were home together, so we emptied the freezer of all the fast food we could find and “cooked up a storm” then he went downstairs to get into his next song, and left me to my own devices.

Those spicy chicken wings from that overseas supermarket chain aren’t bad, either!

Somehow, I logged on to the Roar and did a little bit of reminiscing, going back through some of my old posts and realising that I had never read all the comments to the very end. It was quite enlightening and illuminating, and, actually very humbling, in some cases.

I am not silly enough to think that I am always right, but I seem to have been on the money more than once.

Many of my Roar articles (probably most of them) usually start out as a comment on someone else’s post. Time runs away, you realise you have just about written “War and Peace” and, so, you think, well I might as well turn this into a post of its own.

I don’t regard myself as a Rugby purist, or a theorist, even though I have been around our beautiful game all of my life. I’ve been a player, a referee (shortest career in the world), a manager, a coach, mentor, barbecuer, dressing room sweeper, raffle ticket seller and general factotum.

I’ve coached schoolboys from the age of 9 upwards. Women – only one year, but an interesting one – Colts and lower grades. A busy professional career that prevented me from going on with it, but hey, happy with that.

So, it is fair to say that I have been around our great game forever, but never at the high levels, probably just like most of us tragics.

Grew up in Sydney, initially playing Rugby League, in the St George and Sutherland Shire areas – absolutely zero exposure to Rugby in that part of the world, and grew up in the golden era of St. George and their 13 consecutive premierships.

I was still a kid when they got beaten in the semi’s – correct me if I’m wrong (or approaching senility) but I think it was the Bulldogs – my young naïve world fell apart.

The Dragons didn’t lose – not supposed to happen, damn – me and my mates used to go along to Jubilee Oval occasionally and watch them train – we often got into the sheds after training and got autographs – Provan, Lumsden, Gasnier, Raper, Smith, Clay – absolute legends. Probably a couple of ‘immortals’ in there.

Then, at the tender age of just under 16 I joined the Navy (yes, you could back then) and went to the idyllic Naval College at Jervis Bay, where I spent five fantastic years training to be a Naval Officer and had a 20 year career – with 15 years in the Reserve, afterwards – the best times of my life.

But I digress – no League, just this strange game called ‘union’.

Because I had played second row in league, that’s where I started in Rugby – if only I had known, because quickly we realised that I wasn’t tall enough and I became a hooker – what a joy that was. Unfortunately the bloke who I was competing against had played hooker at Scots College or Joey’s, or one of those fancy pants schools and he knew a thing or two about rugby . Bastard!

So second XV it was, but what a time. We didn’t play in any competition, but that meant that we played challenge games home and away and we had some magical bus trips to private schools all over the place.

First, second and third XV on a bus every other weekend, and for us juniors the only time we could call the senior cadets by their first names and get on the sauce with them – some great times, a lot of singing risqué Rugby songs on the bus, and pure mateship in spades.

Navy gave me the opportunity to play Rugby all round the world.

I remember on our training cruise, we were in Suva and we played a game against Marist College. They were all about nine feet tall and bare foot, ground was razor sharp dry mud – they smashed us. Second half, going on forever, approaching dark, said to the ref (their teacher) “when’s full time?”

His reply; “Why? The boys are having fun!” Bottom of a ruck was not a nice place to be.

Another time, on a ship visit to Manila, in the Phillipines, the Nomads Rugby Club (ex-pats – mostly Irish as far as I could work out) hosted us (two EAN ships and teams from the US Marines and the US Air Force stationed there) to a massive day out.

My lasting memory, other than packing down against one of the Stokes brothers, a massive prop who played first grade for Gordon, was this huge African-American guy throwing a lateral gridiron pass all the way from the left wing to the right, finding his winger with absolute precision to put him away under the posts. Touchie was happy with it.

It was a killer hot day and you were sweating like anything and between the semi and the final, about 45 minutes, when you couldn’t trust the water quality, the only thing to do was down a San Miguel or two.

I think it was about five in the end and can’t remember the final score, but the trip back to the dockyard on the US Marines bus was hilarious!

I totally fell in love with the beautiful game and these days, could not care less about rugby league which, in my opinion, dumbed itself down way too much over the years. Great athletes, but the only contest seems to be crashing into each other, and insulting us with their ridiculous scrums.

So, a few years ago, I came across this great site, The Roar – you get this brilliant opportunity to put yourself out there and have a say.

There are things I love about it and things, I don’t love so much.

The Pros – fantastic banter, lots of great ideas, thoughts from some very thoughtful people.

The Cons – sometimes the meaning and intent of your post gets lost in the banter, where personal comments are made, where people go off the track and divert the course of the original post (that is the most frustrating thing) where silly tribal comments sometimes get in the way of an informed discussion. But, we welcome all comers and rugby is, after all, a broad church.

But here is the interesting thing.

When I went back to my own posts, tonight, I realised that some of those silly comments had stopped me reading all the way to the end comments, and I realised how many complementary comments I had missed from a lot of people who are very thoughtful and invested in this wonderful sport that we know as rugby. Sometimes I get busy and don’t always follow my own posts to the end.

So, to all of you guys and particularly the ones like Sheek and Ricketty Knees and Jeznez who have been around since the early days – we’ll get that beer in, one day.

To us Brumbies tragics (Fionn et al) we have fought off the Barbarians at the gates who kept wanting to see off the magic Brumbies to Melbourne (I think they are called the cockroaches from NSW), or at least thought we did.

Moved to Canberra in ’96 – the Brumbies first year and it really opened my eyes that the strongholds of Sydney and Brisbane really don’t have a mortgage on our wonderful game. I met the people from the Brumbies and witnessed almost at first hand the influence of the likes of Mark Sinderberry and Phil Thompson as administrators and Rod MacQueen and Eddie Jones and later, Jake White, and Laurie Fisher, Peter Ryan and Steve Larkham.

Great times and they will come again.

Tremendous pride in the fact that ACT turned local talent into stars such as George Gregan, Larkham, Joe Roff, Matt Giteau, and lately great young guys coming through like Joe Powell and Tom Cusack, and many other unsung heroes.

Great that they opened their arms to other great players like Ben Darwin, Troy Jaques, Graeme Bond, Adam Ashley-Cooper, blokes from my original club, Norths in Sydney – great times.

The Roar is my ‘go to’ rugby site and I open it every morning even before I open my inbox.

But I would encourage all of us – have a go, write something, even if you have never written before – if it’s crap they won’t publish it – simple!

Don’t make it about yourself – don’t be overly tribal – don’t be overly critical of each other’s’ point of view.

Do get stuck into the ‘powers that be’ – because they deserve it – we should always see ourselves as the keepers of the flame and keep the bastards honest. Our game deserves it.

We should keep coming up with ideas as to how our game can be structured and go forward because our administrators don’t always get it, and someone needs to present alternatives.

You notice that there is rarely an open discussion with the folks in positions of power, but occasionally I detect a comment here and there which is obviously from someone of power, being anonymous, but wanting to make a comment.

I’m sure that Spiro or Lordy or Brett McKay might have some interesting anecdotes in that regard.

Anyway, lest you think these are just the ramblings of a silly old tragic (they probably are) but they are also designed to say a huge thanks to the Zavos crew who gave us the wherewithal to become armchair experts, but also to encourage all of us to write, write and then write some more and instead of the occasional comment, turn it into a full-blown article.

Our lovely game needs all the help it can get at the moment. Not to mention that we are heading into the silly season. Too much rugby is never enough, and summer is the pits.

The end of season tour awaits, thank goodness, otherwise it’s the cricket – yawn!

Roar on, Roarers!

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2018-10-30T12:55:12+00:00

gatesy

Roar Guru


Yep - personal experience and on more than one occasion - tip - late at night with a few wines under your belt may not be the best time to write

2018-10-16T22:10:53+00:00

Ralph

Roar Guru


"if it’s crap they won’t publish it" Heh heh, they are good that way!

2018-10-14T23:08:19+00:00

jeznez

Roar Guru


Nice one Gatesy.

2018-10-14T22:36:14+00:00

Craigo

Guest


@DaveJ The great thing about the Kangaroos v Kiwis is it competitive you don't really know whos going to win. The Bledisloe cup has now become so one-sided it like watching the Harlem Globetrotters vs Washington Generals with their spectacular losing streak.

2018-10-14T16:19:40+00:00

Ken Catchpole's Other Leg

Roar Guru


Craigo, you’re don’t have to watch rugby. Nor do you have to come onto a rugby noon thread to ridicule those who do. I need to correct my associate above. League scrums are not really ‘insulting’. But they are gentle and affectionate.

2018-10-14T13:05:05+00:00

Armchair Sportsfan

Roar Rookie


Nice Article Gatsey. As someone who's also been around since the roar's early days (although thedemands of life mean I don't post as much as I did back in those days!)....I share your sentiments....

2018-10-14T10:05:41+00:00

Harry Jones

Expert


This is very good!

2018-10-14T08:58:27+00:00

Dontcallmeshirley

Guest


It's also why union is flourishing everywhere else with league and AFL nowhere to be seen on the world stage.

2018-10-14T08:35:27+00:00

Craigo

Guest


"I share your cross code sentiments and find the fluid chess of RU more interesting to the staccato of the simpler code." Comments like above are why Rugby is dying in Australia and only watched by tryhard elitist. While the NRL and AFL go from strength to strength with the great unwashed masses.

2018-10-14T05:47:14+00:00

Danny

Roar Rookie


Good read gatsey, found I identified with almost all you said, isn't great to read other's thoughts on our great game, and you right we don't have to agree with each other on all parts, it just good if we all remember to respect that everyone has an opinion, and not be insulting to ones you don't agree with. I don't really bother entering the league/union debate as I have only watched league a few times, and it hasn't attracted my attention enough for me to have any thoughts on the game. I only worry about Rugby, the ethos of the game from both players and supporters, and will continue to follow it, and enjoy commenting on it in here. hey I may even put in an article one day soon to see if the powers that be are desperate enough to post it in here!

2018-10-14T02:21:57+00:00

DaveJ

Roar Rookie


Thanks for that. An interesting point about the League/Union divide in the light of the Kangaroos’ loss last night. Number of registered League players in Australia-over 400,000. In NZ - 25,000! So while Union in Oz is going through a bad patch in terms of Wallabies’ performance, they haven’t sunk so low as to be flogged by a team they should thrash every time, or lose the World Cup to, as happened a few years ago. The numbers for Union are 150,000 in NZ, Australia around 100,000 (sometimes put at 150,000). Imagine what the Wallabies would be like if we could reverse the numbers! Comparisons between League and Union numbers across the world are instructive. In England - 400,000 Union, 250,000 (probably an exaggeration) League. France - 500,000 Union, 40,000 League. There are virtually no League players in South Africa, Ireland, Wales, Scotland, Italy, Argentina, Japan or the Pacific Islands (“World Cup” League players from these countries are virtually all from Australia). Whereas, the total number of Union players in all these is approximately one million! So that should put Australia’s struggles to stay near the top in perspective. It’s a pity the global nature of the game can’t be leveraged to boost the share of grassroots numbers and playing strength. But Australians’ parochial habits of following their big fish in small ponds in the NRL and AFL are hard to shift.

2018-10-14T01:34:28+00:00

Craigo

Guest


"Great athletes, but the only contest seems to be crashing into each other, and insulting us with their ridiculous scrums." Unlike the yawn fest Rugby Union has become over the last 10 years in Australia. Give me crashing into each other and Rugby League scum any day over watching a game of union.

2018-10-14T01:19:15+00:00

Ken Catchpole's Other Leg

Roar Guru


T Boy, league don’t have scrums. They have 12 man cuddles. Great spectacles and skills elsewhere but no scrums. Great piece Gatesy. I share your cross code sentiments and find the fluid chess of RU more interesting to the staccato of the simpler code. However, we don’t all come on here always to ‘agree’. I do enjoy sound logic well expressed found on the roar. Not so much the hobby horse gallops through logic vacuums we sometimes read. Nevertheless it is good to have a venue like this for passionate expression. Thanks to the Zavos family and all who have built the site to its present state. I know I criticise some things but gratitude is deserved for creating this forum for rugby opinion. Well played Gatesy.

2018-10-14T00:28:28+00:00

Machooka

Roar Guru


Love your work gatesy... thanks for the read :)

2018-10-14T00:12:13+00:00

Shop

Roar Guru


Nicely written piece Gatesy and a great reflection on how sometimes we can go over board in the comments section. I’m also one of those ex League fans. Used to love the game but it has become so dumbed down I find it hard to watch these days.

2018-10-14T00:01:41+00:00

Winglock

Roar Rookie


Great yarn Gatesy, and good on ya for your Roar to arms!

2018-10-13T23:55:26+00:00

jameswm

Roar Guru


Great read, thanks Gatesy.

2018-10-13T22:31:37+00:00

Digby

Roar Guru


Cracking account Gatesy, thank you.

2018-10-13T22:18:00+00:00

Kashmir Pete

Roar Guru


Thanks Gatesy Cheers KP

2018-10-13T21:48:49+00:00

K.F.T.D.

Roar Rookie


I think we would all agree that some of the best times of our life have been associated in and around playing and making friends in rugby. Hey 'Tauranga Boy" I played against your highschool in 1971 as a school boy, and learnt the Haka which we had to do in front of our whole assembled school when we got home. Who are the secret Power guys??

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