Eight talking points from Super Rugby Round 3

By Oliver Matthews / Expert

After the excitement of the first couple of rounds this one was a little bit up and down.

There were some incredible highs, the best moment being the Sunwolves picking up their first ever overseas win when they comprehensively beat the Chiefs in Hamilton.

But there were some real lows – or rather real blah games where sides struggled for rhythm and impact.

What is fair to say though is that there’s plenty to talk about…

Rebels looking good, not great
There’s a lot of expectation around the Melbourne side this year. Their back line is the thing of dreams for a club side. Last season they started very well and then faded away with some frustrating losses costing them their first finals place.

Against the Highlanders they showed again that their firepower in the backs isn’t just impressive names on paper but is really clicking on the field. They unlocked the Highlanders a few times with well-executed plays and some lovely support lines.

There is still the concern though about their forwards. The Highlanders scored two of the three tries through their forward work and the Rebels do have a weakness when defending against the bigger packs in both the loose and the set line out drives. They work hard for sure but they just don’t have the power to defend bigger outfits when they get rolling.

The important thing that so many title-winning sides manage to do is win when they aren’t playing at their best. The Highlanders came back hard at the Rebels, but they didn’t panic and managed to close out the win.

Of course the Kiwi side were missing some major talent but you can only play the opposition on the field. The Rebels should go well this year but it’ll be interesting to see how far they can go without that real talent up front.

Don’t get too excited about Quade… yet
There’s been so much talk about the return of Quade Cooper, and why not? He’s a great talent and given the story about his absence from top-level rugby, everyone is going to want to see how his comeback goes.

Well so far so good you’d have to say. The Rebels have won two from two and against the Highlanders he had some lovely touches.

Perhaps more importantly, he didn’t over play his hand which is something that many feel was a key area of growth he had to develop.

It’s too early of course to talk about where his season could end up but consider this – are any other Australian fly halves really setting the comp on fire yet or playing better than Quade?

Are any other Australian fly halves currently training and playing week in, week out with the Wallabies first choice scrum half or 4 to 5 other Wallabies backs?

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Will the real Brumbies please stand up?
It’s already getting to be quite a tricky job to get a handle on the Brumbies.

After week one I suggested that their fans are going to have a frustrating season. After the crushing of the Chiefs in week two I wasn’t too arrogant to suggest that perhaps they had what it takes to be a real threat for the Australian Conference and a decent finals run.

Now after week three I think I might have been right to begin with – it’s going to be a season of ups and downs and frustrations.

Against the Hurricanes the Brumbies were really very poor. While individual players didn’t play as well as they had previously, the big issue that the Brumbies had was that they had no answer when the opposition fly half (Beauden Barrett on this occasion) is able to control the game and force them back with clever kicking.

As results have shown, this current Chiefs side is really struggling and so the big win against them is less impressive.

What was also strange about the Brumbies match was how Joe Powell was replaced so early by Matt Lucas.

To be fair the issues with the Brumbies didn’t really seem to be caused by the scrum half. What made that switch worse was that Lucas went on to have a shocker.

At the moment he’s not up to Super Rugby and that lack of depth at scrum half could keep causing more issues for the Canberra men.

Weirdly they are playing the Rebels for the second time this season next week and you’d have to say that they aren’t likely to win that one.

Then they have to go against the Tahs. They could easily lose that one too and have one win from five rounds.

Not exactly a foundation to build a finals run on.

And speaking of bad starts…

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Oh dear, oh dear, oh Chiefs
Firstly let’s be clear – the Sunwolves totally deserved their win. They earned it and were by far the better side on the day. However, that doesn’t stop us from saying that the Chiefs are really, really struggling right now.

They have been awful in the past two games and average at best in Round 1. There are issues with simple handling skills, ability to execute game plans and their defence is far too porous.

There are two things that really stood out, they are connected and they both involved Damian McKenzie.

Against the Sunwolves, the Chiefs needed to start well. That didn’t mean that they needed to try and run in scores from every corner of the field or use outrageous off loads. They needed to force the Sunwolves back, deep into their own half and put them under pressure. What was concerning is that they sort of tried this but they just didn’t have a) the kicking game or b) the ability to build pressure through a tough defence.

McKenzie really had a shocker and he’s gone from being a genuine back up option for Beauden in the All Blacks No.10 shirt to maybe not even making the squad.

If you play Jordie at full back and then have Richie Mo’unga on the bench, is there a spot for McKenzie?

What’s more troubling for Chiefs fans is the fact that they’ve now got to go to play the Crusaders and then the Canes before heading off overseas.

In two weeks’ time they could very easily be looking at an 0-5 record and who knows what will happen from there.

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Sharks not so deadly after all
Just when you think you’re getting a handle on a team they go and mess with you. The Sharks from the first two weeks were impressive – an efficient destruction of the Sunwolves and then a very strong win against the Blues in Round 2. Great – we know where we stand. The Sharks are going to be ruthless in 2019.

Well no, apparently not. Against the Stormers they were really very poor, especially in the first half. Five handling errors, gave away five turnovers, nine penalties and lost two lineouts on their own throw. All of that in 40 minutes of rugby!

To be fair to the Sharks their opposition were not much better on the discipline side of things – there were more penalties in the match then points scored and more yellow cards than tries. But the Sharks inconsistency is quite alarming.

Reds chopping and changing
The Chiefs aren’t the only ones with fly half issues. The Queensland Reds weren’t terrible against the victorious Crusaders on Saturday but one of their biggest issues in the match and in general at the moment is what they are doing with their fly half.

Hamish Stewart is starting there but then there were many, many times when Bryce Hegarty moved in from full back to the first receiver role.

Sometimes this dual playmaker approach can work but it feels like all it’s doing is not giving Stewart the game time and confidence to play fly half full time.

If he’s Brad Thorn’s man then he needs to be there all the time. Of course he’s also got plenty of improvements to make but he’s going to stand a better chance of making those improvements if he’s actually in the position.

It’s already feeling like it might be another tough season for the Reds and you start to wonder how many “rebuilding years” you can have.

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Is Super Rugby becoming more competitive?
For too long the Kiwi sides have dominated and then the Lions have made up the numbers while the rest all struggle to keep up the pace.

But in the opening three weeks of the 2019 season, only two sides have gone undefeated (Crusaders and Rebels) and of the top three sides – Crusaders, Sharks and Rebels – only one side has scored a single bonus point.

Yes it’s still early in the season but these stories of ups and downs – Brumbies, Sharks etc – are actually becoming quite a common issue for a number of sides.

You can see as well that some of the best sides are struggling – please stand up the Chiefs – and the traditional underdogs – the Sunwolves – are putting in performances that should scare most teams in the competition.

Who would have been able to beat the Sunwolves based on their performance this weekend for example?

This has got to be a good thing for all concerned and as debates grow louder about the future of rugby – an international World League, more South African clubs joining the Pro 14 up north, etc – a competitive Super Rugby is critical.

Of course we want to see a competitive and high quality competition – not just most sides being average!

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How old is too old?
Ending on a feel good story, has anyone been watching Schalk Brits? The man is roughly 800 days away from his 40th birthday and is putting in man of the match performances for the Bulls and giving them some real edge and maturity.

Against the Lions this weekend he shone out among some great talent and arguably if you had to pick the Springboks starting 15 today then Malcolm Marx might be warming the bench – and that’s saying something!

The Lions were contained and knocked about by the Bulls and Brits had a lot to do with that – he won turnovers, offloaded, made great ground with ball in hand with tacklers all around him and never hid from the hard work of first receiver.

Of course his selection for club or country is not about the future – but if you’re trying to win a Super Rugby title, Rugby Championship or World Cup in 2019, how much do you care about the future?

The Crowd Says:

2019-03-08T17:12:33+00:00

ScottD

Roar Guru


I must confess I didn't see any plays that I would characterise as "stupid" and "unforced" errors although he tried a couple of things that were a bit risky that didn't come off. For mine he is close to getting the mix right but I do wonder how he will cope under the pressure of international rugby against the likes of any of the top 5 international teams.

2019-03-06T00:52:38+00:00

Zee-Unit

Guest


McKenzie is a 15 not a 10.

2019-03-05T23:21:51+00:00

Jacko

Guest


Where do you expect a 10 to play?

2019-03-05T02:28:28+00:00

Smiggle Jiggle

Roar Guru


My take from SR this year. If you don't have a good 9, then you are stuffed. Crusaders have 2 good 9's. Hence they don't get the drop off as all the other teams do.

2019-03-04T23:44:14+00:00

Gav

Guest


I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again. Whatever are the official reasons why Cooper was banished from the Reds, then apply the same rules to the whole squad. I wonder how many from Saturdays game would be in the matchday 23 next week? Until then, it is blatantly obvious that his sacking was purely personal and a disgrace. At worst, Cooper offers more to the Reds backline than what was offered up on Saturday

2019-03-04T23:40:10+00:00

Reedy

Guest


Awful, awful display from Queensland Reds. Didn’t look like making a break or scoring a try through the backs the entire game. The entire backline was terrible and not up to standard and the forwards not much better, scrum excepted. The highlight of the Reds performance was a first for me … seeing CFS kick a ball ! It was a terrible kick by the way but it is the first time in 7 seasons I’ve seen him kick a ball. Depressing stuff.

2019-03-04T15:57:16+00:00

Carlos the Argie

Roar Guru


I’m not a psychologist, but it appears that there’s something like that. What amazes me is the people of my generation or younger remaining like this.

2019-03-04T08:13:45+00:00

Danny

Roar Pro


I think at AB level more often than not players get blamed first. But as noted "Yes ultimately he’s not actually out there on the pitch" i.e. the players are responsible for their performances. If they're talented, smart players and the team is going poorly I usually blame the coach first, players second. In 40 odd years observing rugby union and league coaches (and perhaps selectors) shape champion teams. Thinking guys like Henry, Hansen, Jake White, Woodward, MacQueen, Wayne Bennett etc etc. My sense is even if Chief's ABs were going well Cooper's management, strategy and tactics would be dragging the team down. I agree with jcmasher on Hammett as well. And don't get me started on the Blues run of rubbish coaches. Whereas a guy like Dave Rennie seems to create winning cultures almost from his signing and his track record shows it. I've been knocked around by a few guys here talking up Thorn at the Reds but truly I believe he's got the x-factor to be a champion coach. Many didn't like him dumping Cooper but great coaches make hard decisions to build culture. We'll see what happens there!

2019-03-04T08:04:34+00:00

Lara

Guest


I reckon and it only a theory, it is the Chiefs turn to be the bunnies in the NZ conference, but they haven’t told the Blues yet, who are also doing their best to match last year effort. Anybody else have any other theories?

2019-03-04T07:56:30+00:00

CUW

Roar Rookie


@ Danny i think losing a lot of experience has also affected the Chiefs and missing Cane and making Brodie captain and still playing DMAC at 10 looks like the perfect storm !!!

2019-03-04T07:54:31+00:00

CUW

Roar Rookie


errr perhaps u missed the apology to crusaders and the sanzaaaaaaar medical team comments and promise to ensure proper protocols here after. it was funny to see the 4th or 5th ref say some rubbish to the ref all the time there was a medical girl in a reds t shirt looking at the whole thing. obviosly they were embarrassed that their view was not considered . i can accept all those forward passes being missed by the refs - and it seems 1/2 the passes in most games are forwards! what i cannot accept is the rubbish from the guys on the sides - there is nothing fast moving or complicated in those decisions DUH

2019-03-04T07:36:49+00:00

Charlie Turner

Guest


Peter, one of the more obtuse roar contributors on a previous thread opined NZ players have superior peripheral vision to the likes of Cooper. However it does make evolutionary sense after years of dominating rugby, an isolated genetic population at the bottom of the earth have developed compound vision. Sadly for Cooper his NZ birth parents failed to transfer this maker.

2019-03-04T06:58:41+00:00

Charlie Turner

Guest


Carlos, do you think the URBA enjoy the siege mentality often associated with elite minorities? The gin and tonic colonials clinging onto the days of amateurism for fear of irrelevance! There's a couple of Sydney club rugby boards who still harbour this insecurity.

2019-03-04T06:23:11+00:00

Charlie Turner

Guest


Jacko I once asked ex springbok Gary Teichmann why the crowd were so hostile towards him offer a game at Newlands. He replied with a saying in Afrikaans that roughly translates to "the most disparaging off the field are generally the most craven on the field". When I read most of your comments I'm reminded of those words.

2019-03-04T05:31:55+00:00

Gav

Guest


When a team plays bad it`s always the coaches in New Zealand, cannot possibly be the All Blacks in their team that are not doing the job. Mckenzie has been woeful for 3 weeks running. I do hope the ABs pick him as reserve flyhalf as he is a very poor number 10. Way too flaky and makes lots of unforced errors.

2019-03-04T05:11:44+00:00

Jacko

Guest


Every DROPPED player gets told to go and enjoy their rugby....and while they are their go and work on how to play

2019-03-04T05:09:42+00:00

Jacko

Guest


LOL the first half hour of the highlights reel could be a video of him climbing up to an apartment window...Second half hour him climbing down with a laptop in hand...We could spend hours interviewing all the coaches who have dropped him as to why they dropped him then we could show him doing press conferences at the 2011 WC......Yellow cards...Knock-ons...missed tackles imature gestures to other players....Attacks on other players after the whistle goes...Yep there is certainly lots to show

2019-03-04T05:01:33+00:00

Train Without A Station

Roar Guru


There you go again "pushed a few". You use vague descriptions to avoid actually saying things. So you multiply the errors. You're making it sound like at least 4 specific mistakes. Quade definitely threw one bad offload, in that it wasn't catchable. He threw another into a guys stomach who dropped it. Is that his error? That's not a few. That's not even 2 actually, because the second was the recipient failing to catch a catchable offload. On the pass to nobody, he tried to tap on a pass that was in front, that shouldn't have been thrown to Quade as D was on him. What you miss is Maddocks lurking behind calling it, as it was a set move. Maddocks didn't get to where he should have been to receive it. It was a pass that shouldn't have been thrown to Quade, and a receiver who didn't get to his mark - but it's all Quade's fault?

2019-03-04T04:54:47+00:00

Smith

Roar Rookie


Mate, I remember Barret making 3 mistakes against the Wallabies right be before he put 21 points on us. Everyone makes mistakes, Quade is playing really good footy at the moment and has worked hard on it, lets stop hating him and get around the bloke. Compare his play to Foley and its pretty obvious who needs to be our starting 10.

2019-03-04T04:22:16+00:00

Hoy

Roar Guru


Yeah, I am just sick of the shuffling. Pick a bloke, leave him in his spot. If he can't play that spot yet, don't pick him for it.

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