When does Nathan Brown’s future get questioned?

By The Barry / Roar Guru

You could argue that facing the Sharks, Panthers and Raiders is a pretty tough start to the season for the Knights.

But look closer. The Sharks were adjusting to a new halves combination, new edge combinations on both sides of the field and effectively a new fullback.

The Knights had a lot of adjustments of their own – more on that later – but Round 1 wasn’t necessarily a bad time to meet the Sharks at home. Good win.

The Panthers were well out of sorts themselves in Round 1.

In the Knights’ defence, they ran into one of those performances from James Maloney where a single player drags his team over the line. The Knights had their chances but narrowly went down.

Game three was away to the Raiders, who had beaten the Titans but been well beaten by the Storm.

Again, the Knights were in the game but couldn’t generate the points when they needed them.

Not a terrible start to the season by any means, but two of those games were at home in front of arguably the most passionate supporter base in the NRL.

The argument about whether they’ve had a tough start or not could rage all weekend.

Is two competition points against these teams from two home games a pass mark for a team with genuine top eight ambitions?

It’s there or thereabouts. They would have been hoping for more but it could have been worse.

The Knights have also only scored 38 points from three games. To their credit, they haven’t conceded too many more but an average of less than 13 points per game is probably a fair way south of where they’d want it.

In the off-season, Nathan Brown made a career-defining gamble by moving Kalyn Ponga to five-eighth.

(AAP Image/Brendon Thorne)

So far, it hasn’t worked.

It would be completely reasonable for someone to say that it will take Ponga time to adjust to a new position.

Wayne Bennett has always said it took the great Darren Lockyer 18 months to fully get used to the switch and he was the best player in the world at the time.

The reasonable response would be, “Of course, so why did Brown do it now?”

It’s not like Ponga at fullback wasn’t working for the Knights. He was two points off winning the Dally M. He won the RLPA Players’ Champion. He was the Knights’ player of the season and their players’ player, too.

It’s generally accepted that had Mitchell Pearce not been injured and missed nine games, that the Knights would have made the eight. Connor Watson also missed nine games in two injury stints.

Watson’s performances at five-eighth were good and his statistical returns acceptable when you consider Pearce and Ponga were the creative focal points in attack for the Knights.

So after years of struggle, the Knights built a top eight quality spine. It delivered.

For the first time since 2014, they finished the season off the bottom of the table in 11th.

They recruited exceptionally well again and strengthened their weaknesses around the No.1, No.6, No.7 and No.9 positions, particularly in the middle third. The launching pad was well and truly cleared for take-off.

But Brown immediately started tinkering, dismantling and rebuilding the spine.

It’s not necessarily the wrong thing for the Knights, but the timing is odd. It doesn’t feel like it’s building on the relative success of 2018.

(AAP Image/Dave Hunt)

Now, after three games and two consecutive losses, Brown has said about the Ponga move: “I was always going to give it five weeks, that was the plan. I wouldn’t sit here now and say we’re going to do one or the other but I’ll have a conversation with Kalyn. I’m not one of these coaches who’s stubborn enough not to put my hand up and say, ‘Maybe it’s not a good idea’.”

Maybe not end of the world, but those words can’t be inspiring confidence in Knights fans.

The Knights have the Dragons (home), Sea Eagles (home), Titans (away), Eels (home), Warriors (away), and Bulldogs (away) up to Round 9.

Far from the toughest draw, and notably, by Round 7 they’ll have played five home games and only two away.

So what’s a pass mark by Round 9 with that draw?

Five wins and four losses seems on the low side. Six and three sounds a bit more like it but they’ve already lost two, so they’ll need to win five from their next six to hit that mark.

The Knights will definitely need points in the bank because after that they have Dragons (away), Roosters (home), the bye, Rabbitohs (away), Storm (away), and Broncos (home).

Looking at that run of games affirms that the Knights need to be better than five wins and four losses by Round 9.

Origin is normally not a bad time of year to meet teams like the Storm, Roosters, Rabbitohs, Dragons and Broncos but it’s likely the Knights will be just as heavily impacted.

David Klemmer and Ponga are certainties for the Blues and Maroons respectively. Tim Glasby is a likely selection. Pearce is a possible. Lachlan Fitzgibbon and Aidan Guerra are outsiders.

While it’s slightly premature to suggest Brown is under pressure to keep his job, these next six weeks could be the most important of his coaching career as he balances the Ponga positional predicament with the need for instant results.

Four wins in that period may be acceptable, but any less than that and questions will start being asked.

The Crowd Says:

2019-04-04T05:13:53+00:00

Chilli

Roar Rookie


If it was my livelihood I’m backing Nath for next 2 years no matter what. Unless he gives Pearce and/or Ponga a good slapping... in which case I would reconsider (sorry Browny!)

AUTHOR

2019-04-03T19:13:13+00:00

The Barry

Roar Guru


Yeah I think all of that is right. It would be absolutely brutal to move on Brown now after what he’s been through and what he’s done. “Knights are to my eye top 8 certainties” - I think they should be with their roster. But what happens if they don’t? I think the next six weeks are critical to them making the eight. Does Brown get another year if they miss the eight? Maybe. What happens if they start poorly next year? I’m not saying there’s a particular timeframe but it’s interesting to watch. Everyone agrees Brown is out of the stage where poor results are acceptable. But when does he enter the stage where only success is acceptable?

2019-04-03T14:15:13+00:00

Chilli

Roar Rookie


I’m thinking in absolute realist terms you would class this as year 2 for Browny. Heaps of excuses last year with Pearce and halves going down for majority of season, factoring in they were new combinations to boot. Browny has a great record (outside of knights- ask dean pay what it’s like) in coaching considering he started so young so I really wouldn’t be undermining his ability to bring the troops together this season, and quickly. Knights are to my eye top 8 certainties and hopefully that’s the end of speccies around Nath. Would be CAF to rob him of glory after he picked these kids up and took it hard for the rebuilding phase.

2019-04-01T23:07:41+00:00

Zavjalova

Roar Rookie


Hes got the team he wants now. No excuses for him not to coach the team to the finals

2019-04-01T22:23:03+00:00

Beastie

Roar Rookie


Hell no!

2019-04-01T05:17:33+00:00

john

Guest


I think the performance based contract Brown is on pretty much stifles any real debate as to when he starts to be questioned. The real question is what KPI's Brown has been set.

2019-04-01T04:34:36+00:00

RandyM

Guest


Well, there is one coach out there who they should seriously be looking at... He won a premiership recently, likes sending emails and his initials are SF.

2019-04-01T01:45:04+00:00

mushi

Roar Guru


He also inherited a dumpster fire and now has erected a period feature mantle around it. The upswing is happening, assuming he sold management on the ponga switch you've got to give him until mid next year. If he didn't sell them... they should have fired him there and then. Now I'm skeptical of parts. Guerra to me has some Paul Hauff to his game, his main benefit was being unusual, and I think will age poorly. Similarly I would not put Pearce in leadership position with impervious robots from the future - let alone a developing team. I also think his KP plan would work better getting him cheap reliable experienced talent and one weapon

AUTHOR

2019-04-01T01:34:47+00:00

The Barry

Roar Guru


The right timeframe is the million dollar question. I think the short term focus comes from the nature of the game. Players get signed for 2-3 year deals, rosters get turned over in that sort of time and the “premiership window” for most clubs opens and closes in that sort of timeframe. A year is a long time in that context. Browns been in charge for four seasons so he’s been endorsed for the short term failures.

2019-04-01T00:42:46+00:00

mushi

Roar Guru


Also expectations wise, last year their odds had them 14th.

2019-04-01T00:40:44+00:00

souvalis

Roar Rookie


I’m blaming Edrick Lee for this..that long thin streak of pelican poop holds onto the ball over the line last week,Knights would be 2 from 3 and Brownie would be smoking a cigar.

2019-04-01T00:39:27+00:00

mushi

Roar Guru


But what is the timeframe for getting it right? Seems we're awfully short term on the judgement for such a strategic position. Also coaches play a decent part of recruitment and integration of players, as does being seen to be on the upswing. Again I'm not endorsing Brown, but if he sold management on this plan then they need to see through short term failures. Otherwise you'll only really keep lucky coaches, not good ones.

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2019-04-01T00:31:47+00:00

The Barry

Roar Guru


Other than the best prop in the world, the best young player in the world and one of NSW’s longest serving halfbacks...? Glasby played Origin last year. Buhrer has played Origin SKD is an international Levi has played test footy Guerra has played test and origin Sione Mata’utia has played for Australia and Samoa The Saifiti brothers have played for Fiji Ese’ese, Moga, Lino and Gavet for Samoa That doesn’t take into account emerging players like Fitzgibbon and Ramien or very good first graders like Ross and Barnett.

2019-04-01T00:28:24+00:00

Nunnsy

Guest


Skd, esse esse, levi, guerra, glasby,matutia. Safiti brothers if you want to include fiji.

2019-03-31T23:48:12+00:00

Nugs

Guest


Taking away Ponga, Pearce and Klemmer who are all the other internationals and origin players?

AUTHOR

2019-03-31T21:48:03+00:00

The Barry

Roar Guru


The floor v ceiling is the best defence of Brown’s decision making I’ve read. But coaches are also paid to get it right not just for good intent. I take your point about the expectations but I think the increased expectations on Brown are because of the club’s recruitment not because he’s had the Knights performing above expectations. It might be largely the same group of players as last year but when you add players like Klemmer, Glasby, Ramien, Lino, etc it’s not unreasonable that expectations increase. Theyre almost unrecognisable from two years ago.

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2019-03-31T20:40:37+00:00

The Barry

Roar Guru


It was definitely antagonistic and shame on me for sinking to that level. But my comments were no more antagonistic than ones like: “Lockyer was never the best player in the world” “Obvious glaring inaccuracies” “Not really onboard with much in the article” It’s a bit salty choosing the rules of engagement and then complaining about being antagonised...

2019-03-31T20:29:55+00:00

mushi

Roar Guru


I don’t think Brown’s a great coach by any stretch but his decisions seems to be focused on increasing the height of the ceiling rather than raising the floor for this team. Sure there are potentially decisions he could have made to increase the chances at 7th or 8th but after languishing at the bottom of the ladder for a rebuild that hardly seems a lofty goal. Whilst I may not agree with the actual moves, I’m on board with the intent that Brown is showing with trying to maximise the influence of a mercurial talent to build a top four team. From there Newcastle can get on the winners treadmill that is actually a big advantage in a capped league (assuming League players are human beings). It could still cost him his job but then I think firing decisions for coaches 25% merit, 50% perception and 25% human shield for other front office employees. I also always find this type of “with their roster” stuff interesting as often it is the result of raised expectations where that same coach got a performance well above expectations out of largely the same group of players. Then for whatever reason the next year all acknowledgment of their role in our new expectations evaporates. It's very reminisent of an Eddie Murphy skit for a long term relationship

2019-03-31T20:21:08+00:00

perry cox

Roar Guru


2019-03-31T20:19:48+00:00

perry cox

Roar Guru


Thanks for the follow BD.

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