Israel Folau issued breach notice, has 48 hours to respond

See this legal opinion today from Amy Zhang, senior associate at Harmer’s Workplace Lawyers. https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2019/apr/18/israel-folau-hearing-could-turn-on-point-of-nsw-law-expert-says

I doubt this has EVER been a creed of Christianity’s dominant formal religion. Seriously Pete? Have you never read Genesis? You really don't need to go any further than the opening (why people don't just put it down and walk away at that point honestly worries me) to see that it's slap bang at the centre of their creed. Israel and his like believe not only that they are at the centre of creation, made with them in mind, but they actually look like a god since humankind is created 'in his image'. If there's a more arrogant position to take on this tiny planet, on the outer arm of an unremarkable galaxy, in turn one of many billions of galaxies, themselves separated by inconceivable distances, I simply cannot imagine it.

I've consistently made my remarks in relation to the evidence that god belief and worship, long before the Christian god and long after, share many of the same core constituents - a theistic plagiarism that shows the hand of man in the myth creation. Catholicism, Pentecostalism or whatever - same dog of an idea, different leg. Really no need to make it any harder than that. Yeah, we should drop it.

Jez, the fact that Islam shares the same god as Christianity and Judaism has generally been a central, advertised facet of Islam. Islam has always claimed that it was the 'final' of the religions of the book, and built on and improved Judaism and Christianity.

The Abrahamic religions absolutely share a common origin. They don't hide that (although they tend not to advertise the fact). They just think the others misinterpreted things along the way. They are absolutely the same dog - although perhaps more akin to the blind men with the elephant.

I mentioned nuance in reply to you first comment - which you've followed up on. The argument/discussion was about the similarity or otherwise of Pentacostalism and Catholicism. You seem to want to make it something else. Quite happy to drop it

It's a common trope to say that Judaism, Christianity and Islam attest to and worship the same god. But if that's the case why do they look so different in form and effect ? The Christian triune godhead is particularly difficult for the other two. The entho-religious aspect of Judaism encapsulates a different and specifically Jewish god. And Islam believing in a god that requires complete submission to in all things (hence the name) This is quite apart from the fact that if Jesus was truly the messiah and the son of God then Judaism is superseded and Islam is a form of Gnosticism (believers of a heresy and worshipers of a false god). Of course if Mohamed was a prophet and his live emulatable by the faithful then Jesus was chopped liver and Christianity and the triune god-head must be false and Judasim superseded. Orthodox forms of Judaism seem to view the other 2 as bosh and keep on trucking. There is, of course, much variation within these boundaries. But Pentecostals and some other protestant sects have a tendency to take the scripture as being cast in stone and interpret it quite rigidly (and weirdly IMO) thus portraying a view of their god that, to my mind, looks more like some brands of Muhammadans than, say, Catholics.

Neil Haven't seen IF claim modesty for himself My comment is based on his statements and demeanor in interviews after winning games - have never seen him not include team mates on his achievements. when religions such as Israel Folau’s believe the entire universe was created for them with them at it’s centre, is beyond me I doubt this has EVER been a creed of Christianity's dominant formal religion. In relation to the present day, formal dogma is that Pope Francis is infallible. I guess you could argue that most Catholics think that dogma is BS, so can demur from Francis' well published views on confirming acceptance of the LGTBI community.

Smacks of sophistry Uriah. I referred to the fact that there is evidence to support Piru's original assertion ('same dog, different leg') in the common origins of many religions. It should come as no surprise that each of these claim some degree of uniqueness, or in the case of Islam, the final word. It should come as no surprise to you that i find the debate ultimately futile and worthless. There are just so many better things to be talking about. I never mentioned nuance. Are you debating yourself?

That there was nothing evidenced (takes an object) to start with and there was no nuance - the statement was too succinct for that. In fact nuance and succinct are near antonyms here. You've now provided part of an argument - or at least story line. However in this particular thread the focus is much narrower. Part of it was synonym-ising Catholicism and Pentecostalism. Something I find preposterous (being neither of these - TBC) - their views of the world, scholasticism, the scriptures, religion generally make them seem completely different beasts even . Like comparing grunge with high culture. Just that they sometimes use the same words.

Exactly, you're getting it now - his right to say whatever he likes, whenever he likes is dependent on who he works for. His human rights are dependent on the country he lives in - none of which have been broken. At least you haven't brought up hypocrisy or irony.

He could do with your counsel, Mr Mason.

He should relocate to the US where that sort of lunacy doesn’t get you ostracised but elected to office. Only if you're white though

> This is not a human rights issue – it is a contract issue. Just the opposite. His contract is almost irrelevant (even if it had been properly drafted re: social media use). > Falou could go around with a megaphone, run for parliament or spout his views in whatever social media account once he’s not being paid by RA. So his human rights vary depending on who his employer is?

The decision was final when Jacinda Ardern adjudicated on this matter. Move on. Everyone is well aware Jacinda is the newly appointed global authority on morality. End of story.

Useless. Rugby Australia bungled its contract negotiations with Israel Folau by failing to insert social media restraints, according to a report. The Daily Telegraph says Folau, who inked a $4 million four-year deal last year, refused to have the additional clauses retrospectively inserted into the contract. If this is so, it will place added pressure on RA CEO Raelene Castle, whose tenure has turned into a giant headache because of Folau’s inflammatory social media posts.

I doubt it. Folau really should have been sacked the last time this all blew up, but I suspect the reason he wasn't is that RA looked at his contract and realised they couldn't. But after that incident, both parties sat down and went through the issues and clarified what was expected. Then a contract was signed. Now, I'm assuming that there were clauses written into the contract around what was discussed (if there wasn't, the RA hierarchy need to resign immediately!) and what would be the consequences if the clauses weren't adhered to. So RA feel they're on much stronger ground the justify terminating his contract. Remember that Folau is used in the marketing of the sport in Australia; the professor isn't. Folau isn't getting a million bucks a year to simply play rugby - there are additional aspects of his 'job'. And I suspect this will the key difference between Folau and the professor.

I’d say you could well be right on some of those. But I’m always gobsmacked by no.4 when defenders of religions claim ‘modesty’ for themselves. How anyone can claim such a thing when religions such as Israel Folau’s believe the entire universe was created for them with them at it’s centre, is beyond me. Perhaps you could explain the modesty in that?

The Pentecostal god looks more like the Mohammedan one. You seem to know a bit about this Uriah, I was of the understanding that Christianity (in whatever form it takes), Judaism and Islam worshipped the same god. In different ways and with different takes on what he wanted, but the same god. Is this not correct, have I been misinformed?

> And if you’re a gay Christian? What then? You work for Qantas :-)