Is it time for John Longmire to leave the Sydney Swans?

By Avatar / Roar Guru

With his contract set to expire at the end of next season, Sydney Swans coach John Longmire should seriously consider handing the reins to one of his assistant coaches so as to save the club from the potential embarrassment of having to dismiss their 2012 premiership-winning coach.

Now in his ninth year as Swans head coach (and 18th at the club since starting as assistant coach in 2002), Horse, as he is affectionately known, has overseen a poor start to the season for his side, with just one win (against Carlton in round three) from six starts.

The fact the Swans currently have the youngest squad of all 18 clubs, plus injuries to key players such as Daniel Menzel, Jarrad McVeigh, Heath Grundy, Will Hayward and co., have been factors in the club’s slow start to the season.

Additionally, the club has also lost several of their 2012 premiership stars, either to retirement or to other clubs in recent years, robbing the club of experience.

From the side that took to the field against the GWS Giants last Saturday night, only three players – Sam Reid, Josh Kennedy and Luke Parker – were part of the side that was victorious over Hawthorn on Grand Final day seven years ago.

There has also been some running commentary regarding Lance “Buddy” Franklin, who is in the sixth year of his controversial nine-year contract with the Swans which was ticked off by the AFL when he joined the club at the end of the 2013 season.

A recent report suggested that the club should trade the 32-year-old out of the club, but any chances of that happening have for the moment been shot down by his wife, Jesinta Franklin, and coach John Longmire.

It was the club’s acquisition of Buddy, which followed that of Kurt Tippett twelve months beforehand, that prompted the AFL to enforce an unprecedented trade ban on the club and strip them of the cost of living allowance they had been afforded earlier this millennium.

As a result, several players such as Shane Mumford, Craig Bird, Lewis Jetta, Tom Mitchell and Toby Nankervis, among others, left the club so as to ease the strain on their salary cap.

Jetta won another premiership medal with the West Coast Eagles last year, six years to the day after winning one with the Swans, while Mitchell won the Brownlow Medal and Nankervis won a premiership with Richmond in 2017.

All these years on, and the Swans are starting to feel the effects of the trade ban and phasing out of COLA, to the point where this proud club could soon fall into a prolonged period of mediocrity like we have seen at the Brisbane Lions after their golden period at the turn of the century.

In recent years, the Lions, who won a hat-trick of flags in 2001-03, have started to work their way out of a period in which they have only reached one finals series since their grand final loss to Port Adelaide in 2004, and not finished any higher than 12th this decade.

Their improved form this season, which has seen them start with four wins and two losses including defeating reigning premiers the West Coast Eagles at home in round one, will see them start favourites against the Swans at the Gabba for the first time since 2009, the year of their most recent triumph over their Harbour City rivals.

As well as 2009 being the last time the Lions made the finals, it’s also the most recent time the Swans witnessed September from the sidelines, missing the finals for just the third time since 1995 and having a percentage of below 100 for the first time since 1994.

It was the only full season in which then-coach Paul Roos failed to take his side to the finals, and it was that year in which he decided the time was right to hand over coaching duties to John Longmire, who had been his sidekick since 2002, ahead of the 2011 season.

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The 356-gamer had overseen a successful period in the Harbour City after taking over from Rodney Eade midway through the 2002 season, guiding the club to a famous drought-breaking premiership win over the West Coast Eagles in 2005.

After taking over from Roos at the end of the 2010 season, Longmire continued to build on the success, guiding the Swans to the 2012 flag and two more deciders in 2014 and 2016.

But the psychological scars caused from the two defeats would prove telling in the years following, particularly last year when they lost more games at the SCG than usual, and had their season ended in humiliation by the Giants.

Saturday night’s loss against the Giants marked their seventh defeat from their last eight at home, dating back to the start of July last year.

It’s a slightly better start than the zero and six start Longmire oversaw in 2017, before the club famously recovered to finish sixth on the ladder and bow out in the semi-finals against the Geelong Cats.

Coincidentally, they kick-started their 2017 season rather belatedly by beating the Lions by 54 points at the SCG in round seven, but facing them at the Gabba will be a tougher proposition, even though the Swans haven’t lost in the sunshine capital since 2009.

But it’s starting to become very clear that the success the Swans have enjoyed under him is starting to wear off, and that it may be another few seasons, maybe even more, before they are serious contenders for the flag again.

It is unlikely, though, that they will deliberately sink to the bottom just to rebuild their playing list.

John Longmire has gone on the record as saying that while he has acknowledged that the squad he has at his disposal is a young squad, he still plans to fast-track their development and teach them how to play better for longer.

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Which is what leads us to the main topic – that he should start planning for the future and hand over to one of his assistant coaches when his contract runs out at the end of next season before the Swans fall further into a hole that would be hard to get out of.

Of their current coaching staff, there are two men that should come into consideration – Brett Kirk and John Blakey.

Kirk was an assistant coach under Ross Lyon (one of his assistant coaches during his playing days) at Fremantle between 2013 and 2015, during which the Dockers reached one decider (losing to Hawthorn in 2013), before returning to the Swans for the 2016 season.

At the age of 42, the former Swans co-captain shapes as a good choice to lead the club as coach the same way he led them fearlessly on the field during Paul Roos’ tenure as coach.

To date, John Worsfold is the most recent man to captain and coach the same side to premiership glory, being captain when he led the West Coast Eagles to glory in 1992 and 1994, and later coaching them to the 2006 flag at the expense of Kirk’s Swans.

But while Kirk wasn’t a regular co-captain of the club in the premiership winning year of 2005, he was one of six men who took on the captaincy duties when Stuart Maxfield stepped down as captain five rounds into the season, before being appointed full-time co-captain with Barry Hall and Leo Barry in 2006.

Thus, there is no reason why Kirk can’t become a successful coach in his own right, should he decide to take the challenge head-on.

Blakey, on the other hand, has been with the Swans since 2006 and has had some coaching experience, leading the Brisbane Lions on game day in round 18, 2005, in the absence of then-head coach Leigh Matthews.

However, should Longmire hand over to Blakey, it would create the situation in the AFL where father is coaching son, as Nick Blakey, who made his debut this year, is John’s son.

In the NRL we have Ivan Cleary coaching his son, Nathan, at the Penrith Panthers, while another ex-rugby league player, Martin Lang, played his whole professional rugby league career with his father John as coach.

The last such time this happened in the AFL came when Denis Pagan’s son, Ryan, played three games for North Melbourne with his father as coach in 2000.

Such a coaching move by John Longmire would come a decade after Paul Roos anointed him as his successor, and potentially set the club up for a new, sustained period of success going forward.

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Apart from the Swans and their successful coaching handover, we have seen other clubs, notably Collingwood and Melbourne, carry out succession plans for varying results.

At Collingwood, Mick Malthouse initiated a succession plan whereby he would groom his former captain, Nathan Buckley, as an assistant coach for 2010 and 2011 before taking over as head coach in 2012.

The 2002 Norm Smith Medallist saw a regression of his side’s progress in his first six years, but after being given a vote of confidence at the end of the 2017 season, he would take his side to last year’s grand final, which they would lose to the West Coast Eagles by just five points.

Meanwhile, at Melbourne, Paul Roos became head coach in 2013 following the tumultuous Dean Bailey and Mark Neeld eras, and his priority was to rebuild the playing list and identify the man who would succeed him once his time at the club came to an end.

It wasn’t until September 2014 that Roos would find his man, in the form of former Adelaide Crows captain Simon Goodwin, who would be groomed as an assistant coach in 2015 and 2016 before taking the reins in 2017.

Roos left the Melbourne Football Club in a much better shape than when he found it, but not before training Goodwin intensively in his final season to ensure that the transition was as smooth as possible.

In Goodwin’s first season as head coach, the Dees would miss the finals on mere percentage after a final round lapse against Collingwood, but would finish fifth in 2018 and advance to a preliminary final for the first time since 2000.

But after signing a contract extension last month, Goodwin has overseen a 1-5 start to this season by the Dees, with player departures, injuries, poor form and the scars from their preliminary final mauling by the West Coast Eagles last September among several factors.

Thus, it will remain to be seen how the Sydney Swans fare should they again decide to carry out a coaching succession plan which would see John Longmire hand over to one of his assistant coaches and take them into the next chapter, possibly in 2021.

This would ensure that he can coach out his contract without speculation over his future, and set the club up for the next period of success in the 2020s.

The Crowd Says:

2019-05-09T11:14:18+00:00

Josh

Guest


Pardon the delay, been away on business. That very defensive reaction from you suggests otherwise. I think you should firstly check up on the Bloods history. The swans have struggled before in Sydney because of the fickle supporters up there, which is starting to show again, if you have taken any notice of the recent crowd levels. This is why they can’ t continue with the current situation, history only repeats if you allow it to occur in the first place. As far as the Swans being a club team, I think you need to stop whatever it is you are smoking. I could try to give you a lesson about the Swans always being the VFL/AFL whipping boys, and the fact that in 1981 they just missed out on the finals by percentage ( then a final 5, NOT 8 ) but were still forced ( by having $400k of swans money in the bank confiscated to prevent legal action by the keep south at south movement ) to go to Sydney, even though many other teams finished below them and were almost bankrupt, though I think i’d Be wasting my time. I Don’t want to watch the Swans become what the AFL want, which is to be the 2nd team in Sydney, because of poor management decisions by the people we depend on to protect this proud club. We are heading back to the early 90’s and none of us want to see that occur ! My family have been members of this club for over 50 years as I was a kid of 6 years old going to the lake oval in Albert Park in the early 60’s watching my team get thrashed, week in and week out, to finally get to enjoy 2005 & 2012. Where we’re you then ?

2019-05-05T06:08:57+00:00

michael RVC

Roar Pro


Maybe back in Melbourne they did, but not at all since they arrived in Sydney back in 1982. And why did they get sent off to Sydney by the then VFL? Because they were completely unviable due to be run like a suburban club by a bunch of amateurs, that’s why. Possibly you haven’t figured that out yet. Their success over the course of their existence in Melbourne as a club and a team was spasmodic to say the least. Neither of these things are true since they have been in Sydney and they are one of the stand out successes of the league we call the AFL over the past 15+ years. Your opinion of anything about who is right and wrong for the club is nothing more than a reflection of your silly prejudices and frustrations. Thank goodness the likes of you are not involved in the running of this club or probably anything else but maybe you car. I have no connection to the Sydney Swans other than being a fan of a successful side with true grit.

2019-05-05T03:58:59+00:00

Josh

Guest


Michael RVC This club has survived without corporate muppets long before Sydney even knew who the Bloods were. Clever people don’t leave a person in any position 3 years longer than they should. Corporate muppets with hidden agendas are the problem here, what’s you’re connection ?

2019-05-05T03:40:09+00:00

michael RVC

Roar Pro


Josh, luv your passion and maybe it is time for change, be ok by me if that happened. Also be ok if it didn’t, there are very strong merits both ways. This is a bad year, but we’ve had a long run of beauties. Keep the faith. Meanwhile, you are way off beam with the ‘big end of town’ BS. There is no merit to that rubbish in any walk of life, on the case of the Swans they would have become extinct if not for these very clever, resourceful, influential people.

2019-05-05T02:36:14+00:00

Josh

Guest


Peter the Scribe & Jonboy, SPOT ON ! It’s good to see all this passion for our great club, but Longmire needs to go to the academy ( as Paul Roos did to make way for him ) NOW. It’s time for fresh blood and new ideas, so that the players are confident and actually look like they enjoy being there again. Before we lose any more good young players. Pridham should stand down too because his time at the helm has been a disaster for this club. We don’t need ballless corporate muppets stuffing up our great club. It’s time these fools started listening to the supporters again for a change, before it’s too late.

2019-05-04T22:57:34+00:00

Josh

Guest


Longmire should go NOW !!! The useless board should join him for not removing him after the 2016 GF performance. The swans board is now run by corporate muppets who are more interested in the Mardi Gras that winning flags ! The players confidence is down because they know his 10 year old game plan doesn’t work anymore ! How many more good players are we going to lose before these muppets make the change ? Buddy trade ? He’s the ONLY reason anyone is still going to the games up there at all ! The only changes should be Longmire and the board for letting all Swans fans down.

2019-05-03T05:25:01+00:00

Peter the Scribe

Roar Guru


Nic Newman and Gary Rohan come to mind.

2019-05-03T05:23:33+00:00

Peter the Scribe

Roar Guru


Who knows, we haven't seen him get on the park yet Don.

2019-05-03T04:13:10+00:00

Winston

Guest


Quite right. Getting rid of COLA is one thing, but to do the trade ban when the Swans broke no rules was ridiculous.

2019-05-03T04:11:36+00:00

Winston

Guest


Not sure what to make of your comment. Nankervis was not very good while at the Swans, and tbh I don't even think he's that great at the Tigers. He does the job, but is no Naitanui. Craig Bird was a dud and is still a dud. Gary Rohan is good now but he wasn't exactly bad at the Swans either. Tom Mitchell was already getting 64 disposals in the NEAFL and couldn't get into the Swans team, so him doing well at the Hawks is also no change. Jetta went from hero to zero and took another 3 years or so to come good. Malceski went from superhero to absolute garbage after going to the Suns. The only way your comment would make sense is if there was a Swans player who previously played poorly and then improved dramatically at the new club. Only then is it an indication of a problem at the Swans. Even Tim Membrey, he was no good at the Swans but that's more because he was young and clearly even if he stayed at the Swans he would be well behind the pecking order of Buddy, Tippett, Goodes etc at the time.

2019-05-03T00:40:39+00:00

WayneS

Roar Rookie


Much of this situation can be laid at the feet of the AFL who wrongly enforced the trade ban. They have always appeared to have an agenda to promote their own GWS to the detriment of the Swans and the hierarchy at the Swans must be complimented on their continued success to date despite the ban and the removal of COLA. Sooner or later all clubs have a bad year and this may be the one that has been coming for the Swans.

2019-05-02T22:56:08+00:00

Don Freo

Roar Rookie


Hannebery?

2019-05-02T22:53:31+00:00

Don Freo

Roar Rookie


With his coaching record, who better to teach the new breed? He's been there a long time because he's so competent. "Sack the coach" pundits just get bored when someone is long term. I'd doubt this young squad is finding him to be ineffective.

2019-05-02T09:21:15+00:00

Jonboy

Roar Rookie


Longmire and Lyon need to go to the paddock, i really don't know who is the worst. Both defensive and boring and the game has passed them.

2019-05-02T07:35:21+00:00

Yattuzzi

Roar Rookie


Why would you replace him with a current Sydney coach. They have the same mindset. They need a new coach who drops the pin ball machine, hold the ball up type play. With a new game plan, they might even get more supporters. Not so boring.

2019-05-02T06:45:29+00:00

Peter the Scribe

Roar Guru


Alarm bells when players leave and are immediately better in another organisation

2019-05-02T06:17:13+00:00

penguin

Roar Rookie


Loss of trade picks in 2014 and 2015 after the signing of Franklin was diabolical. And we finished first and top 4 in those 2 years so got low draft picks. We have lots of young talent but our 22 - 26 year olds are light on and that is the key demographic for the contenders. Thank you AFL. And Horse deserves a go at rebuilding the team - he is honest and a straight shooter with the respect of his players, plus an ex-Coleman medallist. This will be a tough year but we'll weather it and look forward to 2020.

2019-05-02T05:24:53+00:00

Christo the Daddyo

Roar Rookie


I'm always surprised when fans start to call for a coach's head after a few poor results. Wouldn't the more thoughtful, positive approach be to suggest who would be able to... a) Be available for recruitment, and b) Do a better job with the current list? Much easier to just anonymously demand on social media that "[insert name of coach] should go"...

2019-05-02T04:59:47+00:00

Winston

Guest


This is just rubbish. One bad year and he's out? Mind you, it's only a third into the season, and even if we don't make the finals it doesn't mean we can't make substantial improvement. There is obviously no excuse to our senior players being out of form and us having a young squad, nor has Horse ever used that as an excuse. But with the young players you can clearly see some will be playing far better than they are now just with time. Blakey, Rowbottom, Dawson being the standouts for me, not because they're setting the stadium on fire, but more because of the number of stupid mistakes they are currently making. Those mistakes will disappear another 20 games in, so there's plenty to look forward to towards the back end of this year. To not even allow Horse to go through one development year is outrageous.

2019-05-02T02:29:51+00:00

Dutski

Roar Guru


Great read. I think one thing that we need to think about is how the Swans haven’t really bottomed out in a long time. Being perennial contenders means you aren’t in a place to receive those high draft picks to refresh your list with future champions. So Longmire is in a place where he’s trying to get the most out of mid range talent. I think he’s done it pretty well. Now he has a really young crop and this is a real test of his coaching credentials. But what’s a pass mark for him this season? Finals or bust?

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