Five talking points from AFL Round 21

By Josh / Expert

The home-and-away season is down to just two weeks left on the calendar, but there’s still plenty up in the air before finals roll around. Here’s my talking points from Round 21.

A quick note – ‘everybody gets a turn’, unfortunately, will not see everybody get a turn this week, as I spent the morning running City2Surf for some reason that probably seemed like a good idea at the time. Back next week!

Dogs deal Dons a devastating blow
When Dylan Shiel burst forth in the first twenty seconds of the game on Saturday night to kick the opening goal of the match, Essendon fans could have been forgiven for thinking that – after last week’s debacle against Port Adelaide – the side had arrived Marvel Stadium switched on and ready to secure a spot in the top eight.

The end result was anything but. The Bombers conceded the next 21 consecutive goals and in the end were lucky at all to kick another for the match, ultimately skipping away with three in a row at the end to make a 104-point loss on the scoreboard somehow flattering to their performance.

There’s little need to drag out the thesaurus and seek out creative ways to describe the performance; it’s self-evidently quite a bad one. The question is how much to read into it, and to what degree will it shape Essendon’s direction in the short and long term.

Coach John Worsfold has endured a rollercoaster season in the media. In the middle of the year it was widely believed he would cop the axe before season’s end, only to seemingly have revived his position with five straight wins, some of them being quality scalps.

Now, only a fortnight on from the last of those wins, all of a sudden his side is at surely the lowest point it has been during his tenure there – and after nearly two full seasons of a malaise that has seen the club fail to deliver on the expectations that a high-profile recruiting policy has created, fans are growing restless.

I noted with interest this week the news that highly-rated assistant Blake Caracella will join the Bombers next year. It’s a big get for the club, and I can’t help but wonder if that move has been made with a thought in the back of the mind towards having him ready to go if there’s a sudden need for a new senior coach.

Despite the debacle, Essendon are still a solid chance of squeezing into the top eight. They play what will be a demoralised Fremantle next week, a still-injury-stricken Collingwood the next – and they probably only need to win one of those to hang on to eighth spot.

Of course, you wouldn’t expect them to manage that based on the form of the past two weeks. Whatever happens next, expect a dramatic final fortnight for the Essendon football club.

(Photo by Michael Willson/AFL Photos via Getty Images)

Port Adelaide firm for a finals place
While other teams around their place on the ladder seemed to lose their heads this weekend, Port Adelaide punched in a comfortable 47-point victory over the Sydney Swans on Saturday afternoon to deliver back-to-back victories for the first time in 15 weeks, and move one step closer to a spot in the finals.

Don’t get me wrong: we all know by now that Sydney aren’t the scalp they once were. But the Swans have still been a competitive side this year, they type that could throw an inconsistent side like Port Adelaide on the right day, and for Port to back up last week’s big win with another confident victory was a big tick.

The result puts them within tasting distance of a finals berth. They play North Melbourne next week and Fremantle the week after – both sides whose seasons are now effectively over, and who Port would feel reasonably confident against. They only need one win probably to guarantee finals, but I suspect they’ll get two.

Even that probably wouldn’t be enough to sneak into the top six for a home final but it would mean they approach September on a four-win hot streak with confidence they can do some damage. And that’s a remarkable result all things considered for this side.

They made bold decisions at the end of last year, allowing talented and mature players like Chad Wingard and Jared Polec to depart. It has meant fielding a younger team this year, which is not usually the way to rise up the ladder, but so far it’s worked very well.

Connor Rozee starred again with three goals on Saturday and remarkably looks set to become Port’s leading goalkicker in his first year in the comp. Xavier Duursma has been no less impressive will Zak Butters shows great potential too – while elsewhere, Todd Marshall and Peter Ladhams are adding promise to Port’s future spine.

A bit of finals experience will be huge at this stage of their careers. Can’t wait to see it.

(Photo by Daniel Kalisz/Getty Images)

Giants, Roos and Dons make footy history – but not the good kind
Homer Simpson’s famous quote about “the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked” gets thrown around plenty when it comes to describing poor performances from sporting teams, but in no week was it more appropriate than this one – the only problem being, of which team is it most accurate?

GWS put in one of the limpest performances in the club’s history on Friday night. Although by no means their greatest losing margin, one could argue that even in the most trying days fielding their very young squad in the early years of this decade, rarely did they seem so lifeless.

Asked after the game if his side didn’t enjoy playing in the frankly bizarre conditions, Giants coach Leon Cameron fired up in response – but in all honesty, Cameron seemed more up for the fight in that comment had his team had all night.

Looking at the Giants managing to record their lowest score in club history with a total of 29 points, North Melbourne said “that’s cute” and found a way to somehow kick 1.8.14, not only their lowest score in nearly a century in the VFL/AFL, but also the first time ever in a match that they’ve only kicked a single goal.

The weather conditions weren’t exactly ideal for footy, but don’t provide nearly as much of an excuse for poor performance as North would like. They were slaughtered at the clearances and could do nothing to prevent Geelong moving the ball forward with ease.

As for Essendon, well, we’ve probably talked enough of them already, but there was an interesting little historical anomaly in their result.

I watched Brisbane’s battle with Gold Coast wondering if the Lions might finally rack up the first 100+ margin of 2019 – and when they didn’t, suspected once again that, perhaps, we might go a full season without one for what would be the first time in 46 years.

The Dogs and the Dons put that one to bed for us not three hours later.

(Photo by Mark Metcalfe/AFL Photos/via Getty Images)

Jack back as Saints snatch a wonderful win
If you were looking for reasons to be buoyant about St Kilda’s future prospects then Sunday’s last-minute win over Fremantle at home was full of them.

Once again under Brett Ratten the Saints showed an ability to start the match well, kicking the first three goals, and then proved tenacious when the momentum swung back Fremantle’s way, never allowing the Dockers to break away from the contest.

Still, it seemed like Fremantle just might squeeze past St Kilda for the win they needed to keep their finals hopes alive – until Jack Steven and Josh Bruce kicked back-to-back goals, St Kilda’s first since that opening flurry, to deliver a three-point win.

Don’t mistake the manner of that victory for it being at all a fluke. The Saints had more of the ball, more of the inside 50s, more of the tackles. Only some trouble in front of goal in the last quarter – kicking 2.5 – prevented them from making it a more comfortable margin.

Plenty of players deserve a tip of the cap. Dan Hannebery gave his critics something to think about with 23 touches and two goals, Hunter Clark continued his rapid emergence into stardom, and the same could be said of Josh Battle who took the game-saving mark with 39 seconds left on the clock.

However the story to make the heart sing on Sunday afternoon was undoubtedly that of Jack Steven, who played just his fifth game of the year after an extended lay off to work through a poor period of mental health.

Steven collected 22 disposals but perhaps more importantly booted three goals, including the penultimate score of the match, arguably the most crucial performer on the ground if not necessarily the outright best.

More than the stat line though it was just wonderful to see the smile on his face, clearly overjoyed to be back at the top level and with an almighty win to boot.

(Photo by Michael Willson/AFL Photos via Getty Images)

Playing with the ladder predictor
There’s only 18 matches left in the home-and-away season, but just about any permutation you like of the top eight is still left on the table.

The race to get a top-two spot is wide open – at least one of Geelong, Brisbane and West Coast is going to miss out, and whoever that is will be forced to travel in their qualifying final.

Making it all the more dramatic is the fact that Brisbane host Geelong at the Gabba next weekend, though this is just the beginning of what will be a rollercoaster weekend for teams with finals aspirations.

That’s hardly the only thriller next Saturday though. Adelaide and Collingwood looks seriously promising – the Crows will need a win to keep their finals hopes alive, but Collingwood have a shot at top four if they get the job done.

We might then find ourselves flicking between channels on Saturday night as Essendon (against Fremantle) and Port Adelaide (against North) play matches that could make or break their seasons.

West Coast just might be in the box seat for the minor premiership but only if they can bring to an end Richmond’s streak of seven straight wins.

Later in the day, the Bulldogs will need to knock off the Giants to keep their own finals dream alive, while GWS will be desperate to respond after Friday night’s frustrations.

Undoubtedly the match I’m looking forward to the most from here though will be Richmond hosting Brisbane at the MCG in Round 23. These are the two teams with the most momentum in the league, and who wins here might tell us which team deserves flag favouritism on the eve of finals.

A quick spin through the ladder predictor and here’s my top eight, guaranteed to be wrong:

1. West Coast Eagles
2. Geelong Cats
3. Brisbane Lions
4. Collingwood Magpies
5. Richmond Tigers
6. GWS Giants
7. Port Adelaide Power
8. Western Bulldogs

The eight teams most capable of making the finals interesting in my books, hopefully set to deliver a sizzling September. What are you tipping?

The Crowd Says:

2019-08-14T05:14:05+00:00

sammy

Guest


But if you want to play that game Macca, they also lost by 1 point to St Kilda and 1 point to Melbourne - so they could have won 5 of their first 8 games. Injuries started to then take their toll and they have gone downhill from there and they have copped some large beatings because their squad is not as deep as the top teams. As I said, Carlton were sitting on 1 win and if Bolton had been backed in may still be sitting on 1 win - you had to sack your coach to get that spike in performance

2019-08-14T05:08:23+00:00

sammy

Guest


Macca - you are not looking at the recent happenings in the AFL. They brought in with great fanfare the concept of live pick trading. To now potentially compromise it going forward by arbitrarily awarding front end PP's has put the noses of the clubs out of joint as like Ogilvie says in the road to the draft podcast clubs invest serious resources into drafting and forward plan so that a live pick trade is very very carefully considered. To have the rug pulled out from under the clubs that have invested hard to try and move up the draft order will certainly make clubs think twice going forward. As for Academy and Father sons picks - these are known to all clubs way out - example is Tom Green this year has been tracked for years and it was well known he would be at the top end of the draft and he is aligned to GWS. Clubs can plan for that - same as father son players. What they can't plan for is the AFL to come in unanounced at the end of the current season and say - sorry guys, Gold Coast are going to get the best 2 kids in the draft irrespective of all the hard work and capital you have invested to plan for a high pick etc. That is why a front ended PP is not going to happen https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-08-13/listen-what-will-the-crows-do-with-their-topfive-pick

2019-08-13T12:44:48+00:00

RT

Roar Rookie


Love to see old footage Peter, but it was a bit grainy to get a view of the style (not to mention the camera angle!) Funny how the goal umpire kept running into the field of play to signal a score. Looks like Collingwood had to resort to thuggery to get into the match! And have to mention..."Oh oh, looks like a poor tea for Dad tonight. What an outrage."

2019-08-13T12:42:49+00:00

Doctor Rotcod

Roar Rookie


And he has now retired. Although if by a mathematical miracle Freo get into the finals,they wouldn't meet the Bombers till the Grand Final. I guess he'd drag himself out for that.

2019-08-13T11:19:23+00:00

Floyd Calhoun

Guest


They were the days, Pete. On a sad note, sorry to hear of the passing of Frank ‘Bluey’ Adams just recently. His full-paced accidental collision with Collingwood’s Des Healey in the 1955 GF is the stuff of legend. Both knocked unconscious.

2019-08-13T11:12:35+00:00

Macca

Roar Rookie


Sammy - nothing in that article is any different to what I said. PP's impact the exact same way as father sons or academy picks and the clubs that are at the top of the ladder will find any way they can to whinge and whine loud enough to,stop it happening to protect their vested interest.

2019-08-13T11:09:16+00:00

Macca

Roar Rookie


Sammy you do realise that all 3 of their wins were by less than a goal their percentage is 17% lower than the next worst and they have been terrible for years

2019-08-13T06:35:58+00:00

Peter the Scribe

Roar Guru


Anyone like very old footage and checking how footy used to be played, check this newsreel footage of the Pies 1958 surprise flag over the raging favourites Melbourne. https://www.collingwoodfc.com.au/video/2019-08-09/flashback-1958-gf-v-melbourne

2019-08-13T04:07:24+00:00

Peter the Scribe

Roar Guru


No. Pies will win comfortably. Crows just aren't very good I'm afraid.

2019-08-13T01:39:38+00:00

Seymorebutts

Guest


That was the strongest lineup the Crows have had all year, make no mistake, they are a very good side when all their guys are available...and they have uncovered another gun forward who will give defenders headaches in the next few weeks. If the Crows play like that again this weekend Pies have their work cut out for them.

2019-08-12T13:29:26+00:00

Peter Warrington

Guest


if the top 4 had all already played each other... they wouldn't be playing each other now

2019-08-12T13:27:03+00:00

Peter Warrington

Guest


onus of responsibility shifted a while back - he showed insufficient intent to keep the ball in. easier to prove than motive (that action was "on purpose) etc.

2019-08-12T13:24:58+00:00

Peter Warrington

Guest


Swans. Bears.

2019-08-12T12:23:26+00:00

Fairsuckofthesav

Roar Rookie


Two weeks is a long time in football. If the Crows play like they did against WC they will beat the Pies.

2019-08-12T09:49:30+00:00

Jack

Guest


Oh didn’t realise he didn’t play. I rate Cunningham as an absolute super talent .

2019-08-12T08:54:31+00:00

Doctor Rotcod

Roar Rookie


Keep it under your hat,but Jack Darling is playing pretty well. Eagles and Tigers both have defensive guns, but I think that Barrass might just be the difference.

2019-08-12T07:47:49+00:00

Peter the Scribe

Roar Guru


Eagles in the box seat Doc and I think you'll beat the Tigers this weekend and become the new flag favs.

2019-08-12T07:19:18+00:00

Doctor Rotcod

Roar Rookie


Absolutely. What exactly,I'm not sure. Pies must win . And beat the Bombers too . Crows must win. Bulldogs must win. Hawks must win. GWS have the Bullies and then the Suns in Rd 23 to keep things interesting. And that's just ,(probably)5-8 First to fourth can and will change.

2019-08-12T07:11:06+00:00

Bruce

Guest


Yep I get the feeling cats will make a bit of a statement against the lions.

2019-08-12T07:05:14+00:00

sammy

Guest


Sammy – PP’s don’t compromise live pick trading any more than Academy players or father sons and live pick trading is no different to normal trading of future picks which has been going for years https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-08-09/suns-priority-pick-call-sees-rivals-question-value-of-trading-draft-selections I think you will find that it is exactly what PP's do and the other clubs are not stupid and are making the case accordingly to the AFL - a front end PP will not happen - mark it

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