Are the Magpies flying under the radar?

By Justin Robertson / Expert

As we head into the business end of the season there are a few clubs that have footy pundits talking about certain narratives.

For example, the Lions are hot. The Bulldogs are scary right now. The Power are in disarray. The Giants are falling. And the Bombers have a chance to break their finals drought.

But what about Collingwood?

It seems like we’ve forgotten about the Pies just like we did last year, when they almost pulled a flag out of the bag. Their injury toll has them flying under the radar, and Nathan Buckley wouldn’t want it any other way.

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Jamie Elliott’s five-goal haul last week was as good as you’ll see and helped continue their forward line revival. But with no Jordan de Goey, Dayne Beams, Mason Cox, Ben Reid and Jaidyn Stephenson, can a forward line consisting largely of Will Hoskin-Elliott, Jamie Elliott, Brody Mihocek, and Travis Varcoe be damaging enough to go the distance in September?

Once the injuries started to mount for Nathan Buckley’s Pies, it would have been dead easy to write off a team like Collingwood. Most of us probably did. There was the four-point loss to the Dockers at the MCG no-one saw coming. They were demolished by the Roos and then torched by the Giants, who have won four of their last ten and seem to be limping into the finals.

It hasn’t been pretty in patches throughout the last 11 weeks for Collingwood, who set up their 2019 season with a confident 9-3 start. But things have been clicking again. They have been able to find new and old ways to goal again led by a ragtag quartet consisting of Will Hoskin-Elliott, who has kicked ten goals in the last three weeks, Jamie Elliott (7), Travis Varcoe (6) and Brody Mihocek (6).

In a year dictated by versatile forward lines, Collingwood’s depth has been tested. But they’ve been able to create a second-tier unit that could be effective come finals.

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There’s one more thing to consider: the Collingwood core midfield group hasn’t shifted too much from the 2018 grand final team. This has helped the likes of Elliott, Varcoe and Mihocek. This year they added Dayne Beams to Scott Pendlebury, Adam Treloar, Taylor Adams, Steele Sidebottom and Brodie Grundy. Throw in Jack Crisp and Tom Phillips and it’s a formidable group.

Treloar and Pendlebury are still ball magnets, averaging 33 and 27 respectively. Sidebottom is still a dangerous runner who kicks goals. Grundy is almost unstoppable – how do you defend him? And the league’s rankings speak for themselves: Collingwood are the No. 1 ranked team for effective disposals, No. 2 for contested marks and No. 3 for hit-outs. Even though their forward structures have taken a hit, the good news for the Pies is that they still excel at winning the ball and using the ball through their elite midfield – and it’s the same midfield core that produced a stunning 2018 finals run to the grand final.

If Jordan de Goey doesn’t get fit in time for finals, Hoskin-Elliot is going to have to play a lead role. Last year he was Collingwood’s second-best goal kicker with 42; this year he’s managed only 18 having played seven fewer games. De Goey kicked 48 goals last year. Plugging him into the forward line would add confidence to win tight , high-pressured finals games. I suspect Nathan Buckley will play him even at 65 per cent, surely.

The Jaidyn Stephenson suspension has hurt. In 2018 he kicked 38 goals. This year he’s managed 21 from 12 outings. Getting him back for the first week of finals will be huge, but he’s missed a lot of football. Mihocek and Elliot will also be keys – in particular Mihocek’s contested marks and Elliot’s crumbing and lead-up marks.

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Mason Cox kicked 25 goals in 2018. He’s a wildcard, but his height troubles almost all defences. Depending on how injuries heal, the Pies could have this list back in action for the first week in September, and that could spell trouble for whoever plays them.

Last year Collingwood went 15-7 and were the third-best team heading into the finals. After their 16-point loss to the Eagles in Perth and a tight ten-point win over the Giants, they then blitzed Richmond by seven goals in the preliminary final, a result that stunned almost everyone. The Tigers went 18-4 last year and Collingwood’s win ended Richmond’s 22-game winning streak at the MCG.

I raise this because last year they were the third considered team before finals and probably an afterthought after their loss to the Eagles in the qualifying final. The same pattern is starting to emerge here and now. With a full team they are every bit of their 9-3 start. With holes in their forward structure they look like a 6-5 team. In reality Hoskin-Elliott, Elliot, Mihocek, and Varcoe aren’t blue-chip forwards, but they are workers, and Collingwood’s fabric is woven from blue-collar players.

Suppose Collingwood can squeeze past their first finals opponent – their path won’t be seamless. This finals series looms as an almighty test even at full strength. Their first scenario looks like this: if the Pies and Tigers both win their Round 23 matches, Collingwood stays in fifth and will play the Bombers again. If they win that, they play the loser of the Cats-Tigers final. But a fifth-placed finish means they’re in elimination mode: lose and they are out.

The second scenario gives them a double chance in fourth spot. They need Richmond to lose to the Lions in Round 23 plus a win over the Bombers. This means they take on Brisbane at the Gabba. A win there will give them a preliminary finals berth. It’s the quickest way to the grand final.

We know Collingwood has the midfield to match it with the best. It’s their forward line depth that will be tested with the likes of Elliott, Varcoe and Mihocek. Will it be enough?

Injuries have kept them just shy of their 2018 formidable self. It might sound like long odds, but a retooled Collingwood forward set-up makes them the biggest sleeper team this finals series.

The Crowd Says:

2019-08-23T05:50:33+00:00

Liam Clark

Roar Guru


If they slip into the 4th position they will definitely cause some grief in the finals

2019-08-22T14:58:16+00:00

Maggie51

Roar Rookie


I agree with all that, but I'll be surprised if Aish got back for the 1st final or maybe even the 2nd final if we get there. He wasn't doing a whol lot at training yesterday and still looked pretty uncomfortable with his shoulder when he was jogging

2019-08-22T11:56:04+00:00

Doctor Rotcod

Roar Rookie


There’s not a lot in it. Fine weather favours WCE. Always seem vulnerable to a comeback. Finals might daunt Brisbane but beat Richmond & they would be on a ten game winning streak & momentum helps. Ask the Bulldogs. Wet weather will advantage the Tigers. Teams get behind their defence and Houli and Vlastuin don’t always shine. Geelong have plenty of big game players. Get trapped out wide and the MCG won’t really suit them. Then the Pies,who knows? If WB ride in on a win over the Crows,what will that tell us?

2019-08-22T09:30:58+00:00

Doctor Rotcod

Roar Rookie


Scott Thompson,James Kelly,Steve Hocking say high.

2019-08-22T08:59:40+00:00

Iambillbob

Roar Rookie


Sidey would never miss the elimination final

2019-08-22T08:19:48+00:00

Peter the Scribe

Roar Guru


Sidey back for first final albeit with a higher voice

2019-08-22T05:50:05+00:00

Doctor Rotcod

Roar Rookie


Losing Sidebottom detracts greatly from DeGoey and Stephenson coming in. Who is going to kick it to them? All the same, they will cause their opponents grief. Top ruck,top inside mids,halfway decent backs. Make it to fourth and it will be a lot of grief.

2019-08-22T05:07:35+00:00

Bell31

Guest


Knew you'd be the first to comment :) - as often is the case, I think you're spot-on re pies --- we need to find a way to sneak into the top 4 --- and it would be nice to avoid an elimination final against the doggies...

2019-08-22T04:55:02+00:00

Liam Clark

Roar Guru


Collingwood are definitely a team which can make some serious noise in the Finals, they were in the top 2 of the standings for the first half of this season, and I expect them to pick up some form in the Finals series. Definitely an underrated team that is flying under the radar

2019-08-22T04:34:43+00:00

TomC

Roar Guru


Probably West Coast, Richmond, Geelong, Brisbane from least to most vulnerable. It depends a great deal on venue though. The Eagles might have to play in Brisbane in week one, and obviously the Grand Final is in Melbourne. Richmond might never have to leave the MCG. That would surely make the Tigers favourites if - as expected - they beat Brisbane on Sunday.

2019-08-22T04:22:22+00:00

Doctor Rotcod

Roar Rookie


How would you rank the vincibilty of the top four? Given that only the Lions,per wins and the Cats per % are guaranteed a spot.

2019-08-22T03:53:53+00:00

Dan in Devon

Guest


I think De Goey and Stephenson are instinctive players who are less reliant on match fitness for effectiveness than say midfielders or running defenders. I could easily see them both returning and kicking five or six between them. In this sense, the Pies may be the team that benefits most from the bye.

2019-08-22T03:30:58+00:00

asd

Guest


to many injuries

2019-08-22T00:15:23+00:00

TomC

Roar Guru


They're a big chance. Justin makes a good case about the strengths of the team, and they've been proven when they have a moderately fit list over the last couple of years. They'll be extremely glad of the pre-finals bye, as will a couple of other teams. Justin is also right that it's a tough ask from 5th place when they've struggled for consistency. Most likely under that scenario they'll have to win a preliminary final away to either West Coast or Brisbane. They're obviously capable of that - they beat both of those sides away this year - but it's never easy to win finals interstate. I guess my worry at the moment would be that an undersized forwardline might struggle against the teams above them, all of whom have strong backlines that appear to get stronger each week. There've been games recently where they've struggled to score even when they were on top in general play, and they probably can't get away with that in finals. But there's no question they're good enough to win four finals in a row. Particularly when - in my opinion - none of the top four look invincible right now.

2019-08-21T23:44:30+00:00

GGG

Roar Rookie


Regardless of what happens this week, their biggest question mark could be playing a number of players in w1 of finals who haven't played for a while - degoey, aish, stevo (1 game in the magoos this week) and moore (will also play 1 game this week). With the exception of aish, the other 3 are not just "role players" to use the modern vernacular, they are key posts, so they will need to regain touch quickly for the pies to go deep. Not like Buckley has any other choice however given the spate of injuries across the list. If they're fit they're in.

2019-08-21T23:26:04+00:00

Brian_K

Roar Rookie


Valid points Justin. I think you are right, they are flying under because they aren't in the top four. In reality they are 1 game back from the quartet, assuming tigers get over the lions. I think they will finish 5th and easily dispatch the bombers first week. I think they would prefer the cats over the tigers in the second week. They would back themselves against the lions at the Gabba, like most teams. Should be an interesting finals series.

2019-08-21T22:37:29+00:00

Cracka

Roar Rookie


They will be playing finals correct, if your in the finals then your a chance to take flag no team is under the radar.

2019-08-21T21:34:34+00:00

Peter the Scribe

Roar Guru


The word is De Goey will play the first final. Moore returns this week as does Stephenson (in the twos). Pies can also make top 4 if the Eagles stumble to the Hawks so there are two pathways to top 4. Aish also comes back for finals. Last year the Pies small forwards In Hoskin-Elliott, De Goey, Stephenson and Thomas almost took turns in kicking a few. Add Jamie Elliott and Mihocek, Varcoe and even Sidebottom and it’s a tricky match up for any side. Double chance might be the key. Can’t see the Lions beating Richmond so it’s up to the Hawks.

2019-08-21T21:34:34+00:00

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