Five go to St Kilda: How the Saints win an up-Hill battle in six trades

By Josh / Expert

The St Kilda Saints have been ambitious in 2019, and secured the trade requests of no less than five opposition players – but face the difficult proposition of how to get the deals done.

With the Saints currently holding picks 12, 18 and then nothing until 76, I’ve put my list manager cap on and come up with a six-trade strategy to get all five targets to the club.

Trade one: Brad Hill
Last week the Saints would have been reticent to consider trading their first-round pick in the 2020 draft, as they may have felt they should hold onto it for a potential Ben King deal next year.

However after King signed a two-year extension with Gold Coast on Monday morning, that pick is now freed up to work into a potential trade deal.

Two first-rounders with nothing coming back the other way is too much to pay for Hill, even if contracted, but if something valuable comes back the other way, you can justify it.

The Saints should deal pick 12 this year and their 2020 first-round selection to Fremantle for Hill, and get back the 2020 second-round pick Fremantle received from Melbourne last week as well.

Freo should be happy enough with that – it effectively means a first-rounder each for Hill and Langdon, and an upgrade in the second round this year. A worthy result.

And don’t worry about the Saints’ future, we’ll get them another first-round pick back before all is said and done.

Trade two: Zak Jones
That future second-rounder doesn’t need to stay at the Saints for long. It should go straight on to Sydney to swap for Zak Jones.

Obviously it’s a bit up in the air as to where Melbourne will be on the ladder next year, so it’s hard to say if this is good value, but the Swans should be happy to accept a future pick for Jones.

The reason is that they’ve got two likely first-round selections coming in via their academy next year in Errol Gulden and Braeden Campbell.

Stockpiling points now to pay for them next year is a smart move.

(AAP Image/Julian Smith)

Trade three: Dougal Howard and Paddy Ryder
Dougal Howard is a classic trade period story: a bloke who nine in ten AFL fans wouldn’t be able to pick out of a line-up (myself probably included) is all of a sudden worth a first-round draft pick.

I’ll leave the debate for those more familiar with Howard’s form, but it’s fair to say that if the Saints have as reported given him a $3 million over five years contract offer, a top-20 pick is a fair request.

They have pick 18 from their swap with GWS and that’s about right. But it’s fair for them to ask for a little more value – get Paddy Ryder rolled into the deal, and Port Adelaide’s 2020 third-round pick.

Port don’t have as much high ground here as they’d like, it was the Power who encouraged Howard to consider his options at another club. For a bloke who is surplus to requirements, this is a good deal.

Trade four: Jack Steven
Next up we start moving some players out. We know Jack Steven wants to go to Geelong, but the Cats are reticent to give up too much in a deal.

Bundle up that future third-rounder from Port with Steven and trade it on to Geelong for their 2020 second-round pick.

If the clubs stay in roughly the same place on the ladder, that’s only a drop from around the mid-30s to the mid-40s next year – a very fair deal for Geelong, given Steven’s quality.

Trade five: Josh Bruce
Now for St Kilda’s other wantaway player: Josh Bruce.

Put together Bruce, the 2020 second-round pick obtained for Geelong, and St Kilda’s own 2020 second-round pick, and swap it to the Dogs for their 2020 first-rounder and pick 53 this year.

Clubs aren’t technically allowed trade out both their future first and second-rounders, but there’s a little loophole where it will be allowed if you get one back in (Hawthorn did this in the Jaeger O’Meara deal), so this is legal.

This works great for both clubs – St Kilda manage to get back into the first round of next year’s draft, and if their new recruits help them move up the ladder then it might not even be that different a pick from what their original selection would have been.

The Bulldogs, meanwhile, are already aware that they have a highly-rated NGA prospect in next year’s draft, Jamarra Ugle-Hagan, who they’ll need to match a bid for.

That bid will in all likelihood come before where their first pick would fall, so swapping it for two second-rounders is no big loss.

If the Cats, Dogs and Saints all finished around the same spot next year as they did this one, this would actually give the Dogs nearly 100 extra points with which to match that bid.

For that reason, it’d be pretty fair to ask them throw in pick 53 this year back the other way. They have four picks before that in this year’s draft, they can afford to give it up.

Trade six: Dan Butler
And then pick 53 goes to Richmond for Dan Butler. Trades complete!

The overall net result: Essentially, St Kilda land their five trade targets in exchange for letting Steven and Bruce leave the club, giving up pick six this year and their 2020 second-rounder, and probably seeing their 2020 first-rounder drop about half a dozen spots down the order.

That’s a solidly good result if you ask me! And I believe the trades suggested above provide good results for the other clubs involved also. Let me know what you think in the comments.

The Crowd Says:

2019-10-16T02:11:25+00:00

David C

Guest


Stk have already traded a future 3rd to Port. They cannot trade a future 1st now unless they somehow recoup a future 3rd from somewhere. So that 1st trade is not happening.

2019-10-15T20:15:20+00:00

Slane

Guest


You may well be right. I'm not a professional athlete but I am a professional with an employment contract. I have a 'non-compete' clause in my contract that keeps me from jumping ship. If somebody offered me an extra half a million dollars a year to work for them I would be on the phone to my lawyer tomorrow.

2019-10-15T20:12:54+00:00

Slane

Guest


It seems like you are suggesting Hill isn't motivated in his career by money but his girlfriend is. I think that is an extremely naive and romanticized posititon to take. There would be very few players who would turn their nose up at an extra half a million dollars per season. Even fewer parents. You might be right about St Kilda, but I would be very surprised if a deal doesn't go through today. I'm hearing more and more rumours that the trade period is getting the EJ Whitten Legends game treatment from the AFL. I think it's funny when people start talking about how one team 'values' a player more than the other. St Kilda value Hill at 900K a season. Fremantle value him at 400-500K a season. If Fremantle desired to show Brad how much they value him they could offer him a contract that shows him exactly what he is worth to the club. Instead they will use St Kildas valuation of Hill as a guide to 'what he is worth'.

2019-10-15T17:47:30+00:00

Powa

Roar Rookie


port look like they are going for a rebuild

2019-10-15T14:29:59+00:00

Don Freo

Roar Rookie


If Hill is disappointed at all, it will be with The Saints who promised the world but didn't value him enough to deliver. I reckon they have got cold feet about the $900k and the deal won't happen. Freo will stand firm and Saints have spent all their chips. Hill loves Freo. He won't be resentful. His girlfriend...?

2019-10-15T00:37:08+00:00

Seymorebutts

Guest


Yes, if a guy is contracted fair enough clubs can play hardball. What I cant comprenend is how West Coast let Geelong bend them over the barrel re Kelly. The guy was out of contract. They should have held their nerve, they could have got him for nothing.

2019-10-14T22:42:52+00:00

13th Man

Roar Rookie


I wont mind it if we can get him cheap. I'll trust Longmuirs judgement as he's been at the Pies for the last two years so would know James reasonably well.

2019-10-14T22:40:20+00:00

13th Man

Roar Rookie


I'm sure he Would, for a while but these guys are professional footballers, Kelly coped fine with it this year. I don't think it'll come to it as it sounds like the Saints are bringing in a third club to get the picks that they require to get Hill to Freo.

2019-10-14T22:38:32+00:00

13th Man

Roar Rookie


Yeah well that's what happens when you sign a contract. Tim Kelly had to deal with it last Year. Look I think the deal will get done but Freo have every right to demand overs for a contracted player with 2 years remaining, if he only had 1 year left maybe you relent a bit easier but with 2 years to go you drive a very hard bargain.

2019-10-14T21:47:37+00:00

MG

Roar Rookie


You forgot the Swans

2019-10-14T21:31:28+00:00

Brendon the 1st

Roar Rookie


Only because of his age. As a player Ryder is the best of the three when in form.

2019-10-14T21:20:46+00:00

Daz

Roar Pro


The reality is that contracted players move every year and clubs make it happen. Why hold someone to a contract and club they don't want to be at, and they just leave after the contract ends anyway. At most you'll get two more years out of them, and then their value will be less as they're 2 years older.

2019-10-14T21:09:05+00:00

Slane

Guest


So you agree with me that Brad Hill will resent being held to his contract. Seems like a weird way to phrase it.

2019-10-14T21:04:43+00:00

Pumping Dougie

Roar Guru


I'd rather Lycett or Ladhams to Ryder.

2019-10-14T20:53:42+00:00

Brendon the 1st

Roar Rookie


Thats what happens when you sign those pesky contracta.

2019-10-14T20:52:44+00:00

Brendon the 1st

Roar Rookie


He is Ports best ruck, we just happen to have 2 decent backups. Was playing as the number 1 ruck at the end of the year. Port won’t give anything back, no need.

2019-10-14T18:41:39+00:00

Slane

Guest


I'm sure Brad Hill won't hold a grudge against the team that is costing him $400,000 a year by refusing to trade him. That's not the sort of thing people get angry about.

2019-10-14T15:29:56+00:00

Stix

Guest


THE TRADE PROPOSAL was shut down after the Bulldogs refused to slide from Pick 13 to 23 in the draft. (the other 3 teams accepted according to fox sports) Sydney Swans — Receives: Pick 28 | Loses: Zak Jones St Kilda — Receives: Zak Jones | Loses Josh Bruce Western Bulldogs — Receives: Alex Keath, Josh Bruce and Pick 23 | Loses: Picks 13, 32 and 51 Adelaide — Receives Picks 13, 32 and 51 | Loses: Picks 23, 28 and Alex Keath ... Western Bulldogs and Geelong could make a deal with the Bulldogs getting another pick for moving from pick 13 to pick 17. Clubs love having 2 picks in a row - If Geelong dont move into the top 10 then 13 and 14 would be attractive.

2019-10-14T15:19:16+00:00

RnR

Guest


Hey Josh, what happened to the rest of your list analysis articles? You did the Bombers then stopped.

2019-10-14T15:06:55+00:00

Stix

Guest


Josh StKilda finished 5th bottom on the ladder with the 3rd worst % (83.9%) in the league. Carlton and Melbourne will both rise up the ladder next season with Freo and Adelaide sliding down so where do you see StKilda finishing on the ladder?

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