Crusaders to keep name but change logo

The crusaders were fighting the Saracens weren't they?! What makes "crusaders" bad but "Saracens" ok?

Actually Wal, sub-Saharan Africans have no Neanderthal DNA. Most African-Americans have white ancestry, so therefore Neanderthal DNA is present.

I was more interested in Muzzo's view. He sounded like he was coming from a uni-ethnic POV. I'm perfectly happy to own certain parts of Mesopotamian and Levant and Persian and Greek culture - that's the point. Some cultures I admire and others I care little about - I don't hate them, I just don't really find much to connect with outside of base humanity. Maori are indigenous to Hawaiki aren't they ? After all their spirits supposedly travel "home" to Hawaiki after death - according to lore (IIRC there was a sign to that effect at Cape Reinga).

Culture is about a mix of peoples, places and beliefs. At not stage in human history has any culture been a static, singular entity. Heck we all have Neanderthal DNA for the ultimate mixing of cultures. NZ are doing a wonderful job of trying to incorporate the indigenous culture with more recent arrivals. That can only be a good thing. Are you of middle eastern descent as all of the inventions you have mentioned were centred around Mesopotamia.

Our culture? What exactly is that? Not withstanding, historically speaking, Maori's courage, deftness with navigation, and tactics, I'd prefer to own a culture that had invented and used the wheel and writing - that made empirical learning and technology a priority.

Thanks for the reply and reinforcing my initial thoughts. "..as we really don’t need your approval to express our views." Out of interest, who is this "we" and "our" you speak of?

Well mate if you can't handle the truth, that's your problem, as we really don't need your approval to express our views. A chip on my shoulders you say? Well, mate it sounds as you have the whole forest.

You have posted 2 anti-colonial English comments which seema little boorish and uncalled for. It appears you have a rather larger chip on your shoulder which probably requires you to vent on a more appropriate forum.

The name Crusader also refers to a tank used in the Second World War. Removing the knight makes the link to the Crusades a little less immediate, allowing franchise to continue with name and avoid a complete rebrand.

Do you know anything about NZ history Spoon?

But not the part on Anglo Saxon, with little extremism.

Seemingly you missed the point of the post

Interesting to hear them say that. The wikipedia article on the term is reasonably good.

Wikipedia reckons that The club's name is said to come from the "endurance, enthusiasm and perceived invincibility of Saladin's desert warriors of the 12th century".

Yeah it's a bit odd. if the "crusader" is the issue, why keep his name ?

I was initially for changing their name to Te Koura, but changing the logo does seem sufficient to defuse the name and give it a more secular tone. So they get to keep the name and I don't mind the new logo. I think they hit on the right solution.

You can always get Tarrant's rant via TOR if you are really keen; generally I'd rather know than not know. Besides there's far to much of a tendency to quench opinions and tilt the discussion by the so called arbiters of hate speech already - it's hard enough, at times, to get dissenting opinions published in the comments section of Stuff without further de facto censorship. Also, what has the Adhern got to do with anything here? I don't dislike the new logo. I think it'd be better with more red in the background though.

Why would they? ‘Saracens’ is just an old English name for a Muslim. It isn’t at all analogous to the Crusaders.

I'm good with all that Muzzo. But there's one place name that shouldn't change and that's Gore aka Big Gay Gore. That's a timeless name for a town.

And 'Tangata whenua'. Bloody auto correct.