How to watch a game of rugby: Part 4

By Spiro Zavos / Expert

Not long after I started writing a rugby column for The Sydney Morning Herald, radio sports journalists started ringing me up to get my opinions on the latest rugby stuff-up.

Almost to a man, they would begin their interviews with this question: “How is it that someone with a name like yours is writing about rugby?”

The implication, of course, was that I should have been writing about football, the migrants’ game.

My answer usually was this: “I was born in New Zealand. All New Zealanders, even sons of migrants like myself, know everything about rugby.”

That immersion in a rugby culture I experienced was back in the days when New Zealand was an unreconstructed rugby nation. Every aspect of life – for men, women and children, even children of migrants – had rugby implications.

The Daily Telegraph in the UK summed up this New Zealand obsession with rugby with this observation: “In America, a guy might wake his partner up in the middle of the night to make love. The Kiwi bloke would wake her up to watch the All Blacks on TV.”

The real joke here is that it was probably the Kiwi bloke’s partner who was really the bed-mate who wanted to be woken up for the rugby Test.

This obsession with rugby started early in those days. Or at least it did for me.

The nuns at the Star of the Sea convent at Seatoun, Wellington, where I was a boarder for my primary school years, for example, provided only one outside tuition person for us, a rugby coach.

No doctor, no nurse, no tuition in woodwork at the school, no special maths or arts teacher.

But there was a rugby coach so that out of the 50 or so boys in the covent school, covering all the primary school years, Star of the Sea could provide a rugby team that was able to match the bigger and tougher Marist Brothers schools in our area.

Rugby was the way for outsiders like myself, with the double bind of being a child of immigrants and a Catholic, to integrate into a New Zealand that was dominated by what academics called at the time the White Anglo-Saxon Protestant (WASP) majority.

Most rugby competitions around New Zealand, for instance, had their essentially Catholic teams, generally called Marist. There used to be an annual Marist rugby tournament with the national Marist side playing one of the provinces.

Our first coach at Star of the Sea was a fine young player who represented Wellington at fullback, Joe Phillips.

Every Monday the nun in charge of the top school, a combination of standards 3-6, read out an account of Joe’s match published in the Wellington newspaper.

I still remember Mother Pauline reading out the word ‘ubiquitous’, which was used to describe our coach’s play. She explained that it meant being everywhere on the field, which was a good description of how Joe played at fullback.

He was a running fullback, rather than the usual custodian. He was brilliant rather than sound. But he had two great running fullbacks ahead of him in the All Blacks, Jack Kelly and the incomparable Bob Scott, the greatest rugby player I have ever had the pleasure of watching play.

One night Joe brought a new type of rugby ball to our weekly practice session. The ball was narrower and more pointy than the plump, rounded typical rugby ball.

Joe explained that he had signed a rugby league contract to play in England for the Bradford Northern club. He was sailing away in a month or so and needed to get some practice in kicking and passing the rugby league ball.

Another memory is how we lined up on the front lawn of the convent waving our towels in the hope he saw us from the deck of his ship making its slow way through the heads and out into the ocean.

Joe Phillips became a local hero at Bradford Northern, on and off the field. I always followed the side in the UK rugby league championships as a mark of thanks for his efforts at coaching us.

The replacement of Joe Phillips was a New Zealand sporting legend, Charlie Oliver, one of the few double All Blacks: a player who represented the nation at rugby and cricket.

Mr Oliver, as we called him, would chat to us about his rugby days. I remember quite vividly one occasion when he showed us a twisted little finger. “Never forget boys,” he said, “the Welsh did that to me.”

I have been often criticised in my rugby writing career for being unduly harsh on the so-called Home Unions. Thinking back on it, I believe that a great deal of this animosity was generated out of a reverence for Charlie Oliver and a determination to honour his sacrifices for his country on the rugby fields of Great Britain.

The point about this personal history is that the New Zealand educational method of reading, writing and rugby (the real three Rs) had a profound impact on the nation’s culture and lifestyle that only started abating several decades ago.

Peter Roebuck, who wrote as perceptively about rugby as he did cricket, once noted the impact of a sporting obsession on a society: “Sport has an extraordinary effect on otherwise sane people. Critical faculties are brushed aside for the glory of the moment and the winning of the contest. Partly it is nationalistic fervour, partly glimpses of beauty offered upon a field. Partly it is the recollection of lost youth, partly the primeval urge of man against man.”

And the sport in New Zealand was rugby.

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Everything was seen in the prism of rugby. My sons, for instance, have complained that books that I’ve given them have notes scribbled in the margin describing the rugby implications of a certain event or a sequence of facts.

We took it for granted, too, that everyone played, no matter how scholarly or awkward they were on the field.

Rugby became our template by which we judged people. This was the mindset that led me to collect quotes about the impact of the game on the character development of a person.

Later on, in some of my rugby writing, especially in How To Watch A Game Of Rugby, I began to develop the theory that there was a moral aspect to the rugby game that if accepted by everyone who loved the game would make them better people.

The British sports journalist Adam Nicholson summed up this theory very neatly this way.

“Rugby, of course, is the perfect game. All the necessary elements are there. It is exceptionally difficult to play well, and to make a move work extraordinary precision and control are needed in the most hostile of circumstances. But at the same time – at the moment that finesse has to be put into action – it demands a boxer’s depth of resolution in the services of the skills of a watchmaker.”

I began to collect extracts from novels and essays about rugby games and incidents.

James Joyce, for instance, has a sequence in his short story collection, The Dubliners, about rugby training on wet mornings at his Dublin school.

There is a terrific account of a rugby match in How Green Was My Valley.

A former New Zealand All Black triallist, Greg McGee, wrote a searing play, Foreskin’s Lament, that is one of the best sports play ever written.

I once collected a trove of fiction about rugby, including a novel by the South African Alan Paton, that had a story line about a prospective Springboks champion in the 1960s who fell in love with a black woman, with terrible consequences for the star-crossed lovers.

A treasure trove of rugby fiction, mainly, was bundled up and sent off to a publisher in hope of an anthology being published. The idea was rejected. But I noticed that some time later an anthology rather like mine was published by the publisher.

I used the trove to put together a list of prominent people in history who had some sort of connection with rugby, either as a player or as in the case of Toulouse-Lautrec as a painter and admirer of athletic rugby players.

When I started shaping up the chapters of How To Watch A Game of Rugby I thought it might be interesting to publish a lot of this material in an essay called The Ultimate Team.

The idea was not entirely a new one back in 2004. But my essay contained a number of names of famous people who were not on the usual lists. And I tried to give the list a weightiness by linking this community of rugby players, with links going back to the 1840s at Rugby School to the present day, with the Catholic notion of the community of saints. So I called the chapter The Ultimate Team.

Incidentally, I came across a new teammate to join the community rugby players and watchers a few nights ago when I was watching the Ken Burns documentary on country music’s Kris Kristofferson. Kristofferson played rugby as a college student in California before going to Oxford University as a Rhodes Scholar, apparently.

If anyone has names of well-known people who played rugby not mentioned in this 2004 essay (Tony Abbott comes to mind) I’d like to be informed about them.

Now read on.

How to watch a game of rugby: Part 4
The Ultimate Team
Like the Catholic concept of the community of saints, there is a community of players and watchers of rugby – the rugby tribe.

“St All Black pray for us,” MK Joseph wrote in his satirical masterpiece, A Secular Litany.

All those men and women who played or watched rugby so many years ago, those players and watchers now, and those who will play and watch in the future, are part of the rugby tribe.

Some members include Pope John Paul II, who played rugby in Poland as a young man, and Ernest Rutherford, New Zealand’s Nobel Prize winner for splitting the atom, who was an enthusiastic player at Nelson College.

Ernesto ‘Che’ Guevara, the guerrilla who put chic into terrorism, was a centre who should, perhaps, have played on the extreme left wing. He took up rugby when studying medicine in Buenos Aires in the 1950s and was so infatuated with the game that he started his own magazine, Tackle.

At the other end of the political spectrum, Albert Speer, Hitler’s architect, claimed that rugby was his favourite sport. The sport was popular in Germany during the 1930s, with the national team defeating France occasionally.

This success may have inspired Oswald Mosley to call rugby “a really fascist game”. Perhaps this slur on the inclusive rugby ethic is what attracted the Romanian dictator Nicolae Ceausescu to play the game.

Another well-known despot, Idi Amin, was in the reserves of the East Africa XV that lost 39-12 to the 1955 Lions. Journalist Allan Hogan recalls interviewing Amin when he was a dictator of Uganda. Hogan was met at the airport by Amin’s adviser Bob Astles, a short, portly Englishman, who was sporting the black tie with silver fern of the New Zealand Rugby Union.

At least three presidents of the United States have had a connection with rugby.

Woodrow Wilson, when a college president, tried to turn American colleges to the code, rather than its rival football. “Rugby has a great advantage of the association game,” Wilson orated, “and all the croakers in our midst must be silenced.”

President George W Bush played fullback at Yale. And although JFK never took the rugby field, his brother Teddy played in the centres as a student.

Bill Clinton, a Rhodes Scholar in 1967, the same year as All Blacks halfback Chris Laidlaw, was an ungainly but enthusiastic second-rower on the playing fields of Oxford. When, as President Clinton, he arrived in New Zealand a quarter of a century later, the first thing he said to Prime Minister Jim Bolger was, “How’s my friend Chris Laidlaw?”.

Bolger, a former rugby hooker (as was another National Party prime minister, Sir Keith Holyoake), was not amused: Laidlaw was a Labour MP and Bolger was leader of the National Party.

Holyoake and Bolger, with their rugby background, were following the tradition of Richard Seddon, prime minister of New Zealand when the national side played their first Test against Australia in 1903, who rejoiced in the nick-name ‘The Minister for Rugby’.

Georges Forbes, prime minister of New Zealand in the 1930s, had captained the Canterbury provincial side in 1892.

Historian, legislator and diplomat William Pember Reeves, author of the first history of New Zealand and a memorable poem about George Nepia, also played representative rugby for Canterbury as a young man.

Kim Beazley, another Rhodes Scholar and later leader of the Australian Labor Party, was part of a tradition of Australian politicians being rugby players.

The first Prime Minister of Australia, Edmund Barton, played in the centres.

Ben Chifley, famous for “light on the hill” vision, was a dashing loose forward. So too was the former deputy prime minister and leader of the Country Party, Doug Anthony.

Burly Mark Latham, elected Labor leader in 2003, was a coarse rugby fanatic and a dedicated singer of rugby songs.

Literary types, too, have been rugby players.

Poet Rupert Brooke was outstanding in the centres at Rugby School. The school magazine described his play: “Though not brilliant, usually in his place and makes good openings but tackles too high”. Other Rugby School old boys include Charles Dodson (also known as Lewis Carroll) and Salman Rushdie. Another World War I poet, Robert Graves, was a fullback for the First Battalion of the Royal Welsh Fusiliers in a match played in France during the war.

Novelist Bryce Courtenay was a small but lively winger in the then-Transvaal, where he played in a curtain-raiser before the South Africa-New Zealand Test in 1949. New Zealand playwright Bruce Mason played as a winger in the navy during the Second World War. His brother was an All Black. The 1991 film of Mason’s brilliant play, The End of the Golden Weather, featured Steve McDowell, the mobile All Blacks prop, running up and down the mythical beach at Te Parenga carrying rocks to build himself up.

Greg McGee, the author of the dramatic rugby play Foreskin’s Lament and a rangy loose forward, once had an All Blacks trial. Dan Davin, the novelist and famous expatriate New Zealander who developed the Oxford University Press, sported a broken nose – a rugby accident – all his life. Dylan Thomas and his wife Caitlin stayed with Dan and Winnie Davin at Oxford and borrowed a couple of rugby jerseys to sleep in, the light blue of Otago University for the poet, and the red and white of Balliol for his wife.

Novelist Maurice Gee player centre and wing as a young man for Auckland. His first novel, The Big Season, published in 1962, concerns the repercussions of a murder in a small New Zealand country town, where the residents are more obsessed with the fortunes of its rugby team than the crime that’s taken place in their midst. Gee described his love of rugby this way: “I like to watch rugby as a spectacle. I know this sounds pretentious, but there is something almost beautiful in rugby when it’s played properly. You can see the patterns and the movements and you almost appreciate it aesthetically.”

Sir Arthur Conan Doyle gave his famous detective Sherlock Holmes “the case of the missing three-quarter” to solve. The character of the dashing and missing centre was based on the career of RW Poulton-Palmer. Heir to a biscuit-manufacturing empire and arguably England’s greatest back, Poulton-Palmer captained England in the 1914 international between England and Scotland, won by England 16-15. This was the last international played in the northern hemisphere before the outbreak of the First World War, in which Poulton-Palmer, several of the forwards and most of the backs in the England team lost their lives.

Rugby has also attracted some notable thespians.

Donald McIntyre, the world’s first-choice Wagnerian bass-baritone in his era, was a tigerish number eight in the Mount Grammar First XV. Boris Karloff, when not terrifying youngsters in horror movies, was the secretary of the southern California Rugby Union. Gerald Depardieu, the broken-nosed French film star with the build of front-row forward, is passionate about rugby. In the film The Closet, a comedy about a worker who tries to save his job by claiming to be gay, Depardieu comments: “How can we defeat the All Blacks and the Springboks when they have the Super 12?”

Richard Harris, the great film actor, cherished the days he played in the Munster under-20s more than any of his triumphs on the silver screen. He was buried in his Munster jersey. Richard Burton had an unrequited ambition to play for Wales as a loose forward. He wrote up his rugby experiences in A Welcome in the Valleys. Spike Milligan, a fullback in his army days, had a special admiration for the All Blacks. He desperately wanted to test himself by tackling one of the “unsmiling giants”.

In the Shelbourne Hotel, after the All Blacks had defeated Ireland once again, Milligan saw his chance. Leaning on the bar about 20 metres away, with his back turned to the other drinkers was the great All Blacks flanker Ian Fitzpatrick. Milligan gathered himself into a battering ram position, raced across the room and hurled himself at the unsuspecting Kirkpatrick. His shoulder smashed into Kirkpatrick’s back, with great violence. Milligan bounced metres away and tumbled to the carpet. The drink that Kirkpatrick was carrying in one huge fist did not spill a drop.

“Geez,” Milligan wheezed as he pulled himself up from the carpet, “these All Blacks are men of iron. No wonder we can’t beat them.”

Another comedian, John Clarke, creator of the satiric Kiwi character Fred Dagg, wrote a letter as a kid to the All Blacks’ Terry Lineen. The reply, with a signed autograph sheet of the All Blacks, made Clarke an All Blacks fan for life.

Stephen Fry, the English actor and director, is a rugby fanatic. Robin Williams was another showbiz personality who loved the All Blacks. Jonah Lomu made a special trip to Los Angeles to present him with an All Blacks jersey.

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Williams’ riff on the experience was memorable: “It is so freakin’ brutal. I met Jonah Lomu. I never knew how huge he was. I felt a peasant in a Godzilla movie: ‘Quickly! Tell the other villagers, we go now!’ I realised that I could fall out of Jonah’s nose and he wouldn’t even know.”

The president of the Victorian Rugby Union, Bill Gillies, made a hobby of putting together a XV of famous former players. Not unexpectedly, his team has a distinct Australian orientation.

Props
Robbie Coltrane, star of the television series Cracker, played prop for Scotland Schoolboys, and Oliver Reed, a front-row stalwart of a London coarse rugby team, The Entertainers, and even more impressive propping up the bar after a match. If Reed failed to turn up, Sitiveni Rabuka, the kingmaker of Fijian politics, former prime minister and prop at Duntroon Military Academy, could be asked to play.

Hooker
Bill Hayden, Labor leader and governor-general of Australia.

Second row
Controversial cardinal George Pell of Sydney, a rugby player at Oxford using his AFL talents in the lineout. Patrick White, Australia’s Nobel Prize winner for literature and a cranky curmudgeon, played in the second row as a student at Cheltenham College.

Breakaways
Richard Burton and Che Guevara.

Number eight
Sir William Deane, a judge of the Australian High Court and later governor-general, and a student at the famous rugby school, St Joseph’s Hunter Hill. Deane lost the sight of his right eye playing rugby at Sydney University.

Halfback
Rod Laver, a handy halfback – but better tennis player – who gave up rugby when he injured his left (and tennis-playing hand) in a game.

Five-eighth
Another handy tennis player, John Newcombe, who played for the Shore First XV.

Centres
Tony Blair, who was deemed the most improved player at Fettes School, Edinburgh. JRR Tolkien, a keen rugby player at Oxford.

Wingers
Jacques Rogge, a president of the International Olympic Committee, who represented Belgium in ten rugby Tests, and Jacques Tati, a better comedian than rugby player at Racing Club of Paris, where he played on the wing for the thirds.

Fullback
Spike Milligan.

Referees
Denis Thatcher, once a touch judge in a Test match, and Malachy McCourt, author of A Monk Swimming, who refereed rugby matches in New York.

This is the Gillies team. But for the ultimate rugby team, we need to replace some of the personnel in it with some of the other names mentioned in this essay. But which players?

How To Play A Game Of Rugby by Spiro Zavos (Awa Press, 2004) Wellington, New Zealand.

The Crowd Says:

2020-04-23T07:29:59+00:00

Leslie Walters

Guest


Dear Spiro, Leslie Walters here. How time has flown and landed us at this distant shore we so compassionately call ageing. We worked together on the Dominion/Suntimes back in the day and shared time together with Colin and Kay Dangaard. I saw you briefly in Sydney at an advertising presentation I gave. so many years ago now. I have always followed ( and favoured) your rugby analysis. I hope all is happy and well with you. Take care and kindest regards Leslie.

2020-04-14T05:36:47+00:00

Carlos the Argie

Roar Guru


Pity you can’t watch some good club rugby while in BA. Stay safe!

2020-04-11T19:52:50+00:00

Poco Loco

Roar Rookie


A wonderful read Spiro. A great distraction while in lockdown in Buenos Aires waiting for a plane home to Perth (if it actually eventuates). There is some rugby on TV here, old games of the Jagares and Pumas. That and the roar is my lifeline to rugby at present. In your article you describe how ingrained rugby is in NZ life and how it's hold is slowly waining. I have just read a piece on police roadblocks in NZ during Easter and it proves that it has not diminished tjst much. Below is wn extract from the article with the policeman describing the situaction and what must be done - in rugby terms!!! !! "The number is tracking down but we cannot get complacent," said Wallace. "It's like a game of rugby - getting into the halftime break with a big lead; you want to come out for the second half and still play hard and strong. "You can only do that and win if everyone plays their part." !! Don't you love it? I ????

2020-04-10T10:30:40+00:00

Purdo

Roar Rookie


TP - saw the film and read the book when I was a kid. Bader was a hero.

2020-04-10T10:01:31+00:00

Ken Catchpole's Other Leg

Roar Guru


Excellent cultural piece Spiro.

2020-04-09T11:30:34+00:00

K.F.T.D.

Roar Rookie


I will be captain , coach though????

2020-04-09T11:15:35+00:00

mzilikazi

Roar Pro


Really enjoyed that, Spiro....many thanks. In fact probably the best article of it's type I have read in ages ! Tony O'Reilly is an eminent man worth adding to the list of interesting people who have played rugby. A British Lion at 19, he married an Australian, Ann Cameron, and at one point they had six children under the age of five. In business, O'Reilly really came to prominance working for the Irish Dairy Board as General Manager, developing the successful Kerrygold "umbrella brand" for Irish export butter. He was to go on to become first the CEO and later Chairman of Heinz, the US food giant. He had turned down the offer to take up the post of Irish Minister for Agriculture, instead opting to go to Heinz......far better money, one would assume. This was the first time a non Heinz family member had held this post. Other business interests of significance included INM group and Fitzwilton Holdings. As a rugby player, O'Reilly made two Lions Tours, SA 1955,and Australia and NZ, 1959. In 16 appearances in SA he scored 15 tries, and followed that up in 1959 with 22 tries in 24 appearances. He played 29 times for Ireland, which is impressive from tose days when there were no June and November tests, and only a Five Nations each year. Tony O'Reilly has a reputation as a real character, and a great raconteur. He was recalled to the Irish team in 1970 after a six year absence, and larger and rather unfit player. The story from this game goes that the English team were having a tense motivational session in the privacy of the changing room prior to going onto the pitch, when the door burst open. O'Reilly walking in, with one boot on a foot, and the other held aloft and laceless, asked " Any of you fellas have a piece of string I can borrow to lace up my boot" Classic O'Reilly.

2020-04-09T10:38:46+00:00

Timmypig

Roar Rookie


The first "big boy" book I read was Paul Brickhill's abridged version of Reach for the Sky, the Sir Douglas Bader biography. I acknowledge now that Brickhill's work is something of a hagiography, but for all his faults Bader was an inspiring leader. Imagine refusing the Nazi offers of repatriation then attempting to escape anyway? Bader was a gun rugby player, a fearless fly half who played with no fear. He was able to play on with injuries that for the 1930s were commonplace but would now invoke the direst of medical interventions. It's been said that he would have been called up to representative duties to face the Springboks but instead crashed attempting a low level (ultra low level) slow roll a week out from the Boks' tour. Which of course led to his subsequent fame (?) as a man who overcame profound physical impediment. Spiro when I was a wee bairn my hero was Bader. I was a crap rugby player (at school, subbies and regimental level) but always drew inspiration from a man whose drive and courage knew no bounds. Thanks for writing this series.

2020-04-09T09:54:42+00:00

K.F.T.D.

Roar Rookie


Purdo your in my team.

2020-04-09T08:29:57+00:00

K.F.T.D.

Roar Rookie


Rugby is a good game, and you’re a good man Purdo. Read your biography. Rugby is a game for everybody. Big and small, weak and strong, and all encompassing game . I remember watching the women outside of the University dressing sheds standing there in their armoured bras and shorts drinking beer talking about the game they’d just played. How fantastic , I thought of the great Viking women who fought alongside their men and Boudica who fought the romans. It’s an inclusive game, not an Elitist game, and I hope it is played in heaven.

2020-04-09T07:11:04+00:00

AJ

Guest


Spiro, my father had a great story about Weary. Dad played in an inter varsity tournament in Melbourne (1950's) for University of Qld, which they won. Weary was after dinner speaker and told many rugby tales. He said his hardest ever rugby match was during the war, when in the middle east, they played a match against the Welsh Guard. The punch line was "..even the fxxxing half back was 6 foot fxxing 3!"

2020-04-09T06:59:07+00:00

AJ

Guest


Jason Dunstall (hailed from Brisbane) went to Churchie, played in a seconds and age group Bs team that I think was undefeated from year 8 to 12. they had a pretty good goal kicker of course.

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2020-04-09T06:47:54+00:00

Spiro Zavos

Expert


Tim Thanks for this. I knew about 'Weary' Dunlop and Carl Aarvold, a brilliant number 10, I believe. But it is great that you revived their memory. 'Weary' was buried in his Wallaby jersey. But the other names were new to me. These names reinforce the notion in the early days of rugby that it was a brilliant game to train young men for war. I once wrote an article on how the metaphors of rugby are all war metaphors. Players kick 'bombs.' The fullback is 'the last line of defence.' Cheeky halfbacks 'snipe' around the scrums and rucks and so on. By contrast, cricket is a game where the metaphors are about death. When a batsman is bowled he hears 'the death rattle,' 'departs the scene' and throws his gear into his 'coffin' and so on.

2020-04-09T04:44:38+00:00

Kashmir Pete

Roar Guru


Spiro Another great read :happy: Cheers KP

2020-04-09T03:47:15+00:00

Sprigs

Roar Rookie


That was one of the most enjoyable rugby articles I can remember on Roar, so thanks, Spiro. Brilliant. The mention of Marist and its role in NZ reminds me of the time when when it was not uncommon to pray for victory. On a day now enshrined as holy in the memory of some lapsed and active Catholics alike, Kevin O'Reilly played second-five in a Marist team, all drawn from St Joseph's College, Masterton. It was about 60 years ago, and we pre-pubescent players were facing our arch-foe Carterton A in the final of the competition. As Kevin's mother went up and down the sideline saying the Rosary, her skinny son bided his time. Then, as she completed the Glorious Mysteries towards the end of the game, Kevin turned on the speed and swerved through to score the winning try. After the match, and when nearly everybody had left the ground, a few of us went up to the spot where Kevin had scored, and, like the Pope, kissed that sacred ground.

2020-04-09T03:03:15+00:00

Tim Reynolds

Guest


You missed a great Aussie in Weary Dunlop. A Wallaby in the 1930s and a hero while a prisoner of the Japanese. Also there were two Victoria Cross winners who played in the B&I Lions team in South Africa in 1896 (Tom Crean and Robert Johnston). Both played for Dublin Wanderers and Ireland, and won their VC in the Anglo/Boer War in South Africa a few years later. Carl Aarvold, captain of the 1930 Lions, became Senior Judge at the Old Bailey amongst other honours. And Tasker Watkins VC became President of the Welsh Rugby Union. A great game spawns greatness.

2020-04-09T01:35:24+00:00

Carlin

Roar Rookie


Hey Ben. Nice one. I would have been around then. I played right up till Under 15s before playing school rugby in last three years of school. That would have been from 1989 till 1997. I then played Under 85s in 2001. Under 21s in 2003. Reserves from 2005 to mid 2008. I went on my OE. Then played one more season at Papatoetoe in 2011.

2020-04-09T00:45:14+00:00

Purdo

Roar Rookie


I was unable to edit my previous comment. Sorry for Typos etc.

2020-04-09T00:35:00+00:00

DaveJ

Roar Rookie


I believe Mike Fitzpatrick the former AFL chairman and Carlton great in the 70s played rugby for Oxford in the second row. Makes you reflect on what might have happened in terms of Australia’s rugby talent pool if Aussie rules hadn’t gestated in Victoria at the same time as rugby and soccer evolved in other parts of the world.

2020-04-09T00:33:53+00:00

Ben

Guest


Hi Carlin. I played Prem grade rugby for Papatoetoe in the 90s. My 3 sons all played junior grade rugby there prior to going to Secondary school.

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