Eight talking points from NRL Round 11

By Scott Pryde / Expert

The second half of the NRL season is underway with one huge upset and more close games than we have seen in weeks. Here are my talking points from Round 11.

The Broncos need a clean out
Not taking into account the first half against Melbourne, Brisbane have let in 80 points to nothing in 120 minutes. That is unacceptable and is the clearest sign yet that from board to players, the club needs a clean out.

Sure, criticism has been levelled at Anthony Seibold and the board for roster management, but the players seemingly don’t want to be there.

To seemingly not want to defend, to not want to put your body on the line, and to not want to play for your coach isn’t good enough.

Since the return from lockdown, Brisbane have let in 298 points in just nine games.

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You can only shuffle backs and point fingers at inexperienced halves for so long. It wouldn’t have mattered if Wally Lewis himself was out there in the second half on Friday, because the Broncos were still going to get thrashed on account of their forwards and outside backs, who didn’t want a contest.

Despite having a 47 per cent share of the ball and completing at a higher rate than the Storm, they fell short in just about every other statistical area, including a staggering difference of just under 800 running metres and an average set distance difference of about 11 metres.

They didn’t miss an unbelievable amount of tackles, but just crumbled every time they were under pressure in the second 40 minutes.

If they can’t bring in a couple of workmanlike forwards and a controlling, experienced half, decent coach and a new board, then you might as well put next season in the bin too.

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Luke Brooks: In or out?
The Tigers are a side with a lot to like about them. Michael Maguire is setting ruthless standards, and it shows. The problem is they haven’t yet worked out how to go with the top teams in the competition for 80 minutes.

From the performances of Luciano Leilua, to the agile forward pack and the continued week-by-week improvement of Harry Grant, the Tigers are a fun team to watch.

One question that will help them move forward in a hurry is working out their best halves combination, and based on Thursday’s evidence in a tough loss to the Eels, Luke Brooks may not be the answer.

Dropped to the bench by Maguire, he played just over half the game and didn’t improve the Tigers all that much. Sure, his kicking game is relatively consistent, but his defence leaves a lot to be desired, as does his consistency in attack.

Benji Marshall is clearly the man who should be first picked in the halves for the Tigers, and while Brooks has played generally better footy when paired with the Kiwi veteran, Brooks needs to improve his game on a consistent basis at both ends of the park.

It’s hard to make a judgement based on one week of evidence, but don’t be surprised to see Maguire continue his experiment for a little while yet.

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The Roosters have the mid-season wobbles
In a word, the Roosters performance on Saturday against the Warriors was unexpected.

Not that they weren’t expected to win. It’s that they were expected to win by plenty, and never be in any sort of contest.

Just maybe, they read into their own hype. Or maybe the Sonny Bill Williams speculation surrounding the club is messing with their heads, but it’s not just this week.

The Roosters haven’t been themselves for a number of weeks, and while it could be put down to the timing of a mid-season lull before they pick up again ahead of the finals, they lost a bell-ringer to the Raiders last week, were slow out of the blocks against the Cowboys and failed to beat Melbourne before that.

While the game against Melbourne was one of the best you’ll ever see, the Roosters just haven’t been themselves for the last month, and Saturday brought those issues to a head, even if they did leave the Central Coast with two competition points.

Their eventual win was more along the lines of what you’d expect to see the Dragons, Rabbitohs, Cowboys or Sharks do to the Warriors. Not the back-to-back defending premiers.

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Trent Robinson is a master coach and there is almost no doubt he will get the Tricolours ticking along again at their best, but with the Titans and Dragons on their radar in the next fortnight, we may not get an answer to where the Roosters are really at until they play Melbourne in Round 14.

They are still the premiership favourites, but the wheels on that title are wobbling.

The Cowboys are out of excuses
Just when the signs were starting to look marginally more positive for the Cowboys on account of a hard-fought loss away from home against the Panthers, they serve a stinker up at home against the wounded Sea Eagles.

Until the final minutes of the game, they only had a paltry try to their name, and were lucky to not be further behind. You feel if Tom Trbojevic and Dylan Walker had been on the park, Manly may well have run up a score.

The Cowboys had to make Townsville something of a fortress this year, and not only have they failed in that endeavour, but they now also don’t have a coach to blame.

Paul Green was dumped out the back door during the week, and while most teams bounce back on the other side of a sacking, the Cowboys almost did the opposition, turning 180 degrees from their performance last week.

They need Michael Morgan back, but even he isn’t going to help this struggling side to the extend they need at both ends of the park.

Simply put, it’s time for the players to put in better performances if they are worthy of first-grade contracts moving forward.

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Cronulla’s defence won’t make them contenders
There is no way the Dragons should have scored 24 points on Saturday night.

And yes, some of the tries had a slightly fluky element to them, but the Red V, after just over an hour, had just 38 per cent of possession and five tackles in the opposition 20.

They ended up making 120 more tackles than their opposition, and yet still had two chances to snatch the game from the jaws of defeat in the last five minutes.

While Cronulla should get plenty of credit for their finely tuned attack on a night where conditions were less than perfect, and while attack is important, it’s not what will win premierships.

Even more so with the new six-again rule, defence is so, so important for the top teams, and to concede so many tries so easily (to go with a staggering missed tackle count) to the Dragons suggests the Sharks are a long way away from where they need to be physically.

This is not writing Cronulla off, because at full strength, they are good enough to go punch for punch with the footy, but without it, they need tightening up.

Is Nick Meaney the Bulldogs’ long-term fullback?
Playing in driving rain and generally miserable conditions might suit the Bulldogs down to the ground, but it doesn’t suit any fullback.

In what was a shock victory for the Bulldogs over the Knights on Sunday, Nick Meaney had one of his best games in first grade so far, putting his hand up to interim coach Steve Georgallis and future coach Trent Barrett for a long-term go at fullback.

While his opposite number, the more fancied Kalyn Ponga, struggled in the conditions, Meaney made just a single error and was solid as a house under the high ball. He may have missed a couple of tackles, but again, in those conditions, he was excellent.

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He also had heavy involvement in a Canterbury attack that looked about as good as it has all season. His running game was a highlight at times.

It’s Kieran Foran who deserves credit for the blue-and-white’s kicking game, but without the back three getting sets off a to a good start, the territory battle becomes impossible to win in those conditions.

Meaney had a huge part to play in Canterbury being competitive in that battle, and after playing solidly there against the Dragons last week despite spending the first half of the season on the wing, the Bulldogs may have found their answer at fullback as Meaney finally begins to reach his potential.

Jarrod Croker is the NRL’s best captain
When a list of the unluckiest players to never play State of Origin is presented, Jarrod Croker is always near the top of the list.

It’s almost criminal he hasn’t turned out in sky blue over the years, given the quality he brings. There are few players who turn up as consistently as Croker did, giving 100 per cent every time they walk onto the field, whether that be in his running, or in his defence.

His leadership has also come to the fore in Canberra over the years, and not for a moment could it be argued the Raiders would have been as good as they were last year without Croker’s on-field leadership.

Calm and composed, he is also one of the best goal kickers of his generation, and Saturday night’s performance, despite an error or two, was just another string to the bow of the Canberra centre.

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A try, tough runs, a line break, some tackle busts, a couple of offloads and a fairly solid night defensively. It’s just what we have come to expect from Croker, and with another win for Canberra on the back of their Roosters ambush last week, the Green Machine are slowly getting back on track as they attempt to match the lofty heights of last year.

The Titans will be a danger in 2021
The Titans are building something. They might have fallen to the Panthers in the final game of the round, but it was an improved effort against one of the competition heavyweights.

Justin Holbrook still has a mammoth job on his hands, but with the improvement of Jamal Fogarty, a back line who are starting to find their feet, and a forward pack who matched it with Penrith, there are signs there that next year, the Titans will be a chance of playing finals footy.

The signings of Tino Fa’asuamaleaui and David Fifita can’t be underestimated in talking the Titans up for next season, but they have the bones of the side that will carry them through.

And sure, there will still be a lot of mistakes and poor decisions in attack from the Gold Coast, but that is going to happen for a rebuilding club.

They still have a long way to go. No one is disputing that, as evidenced by various heavy losses to the likes of the Storm, Sharks and Cowboys, but one has to feel that with more experience and team building, they won’t be at the bottom of the table forever.

The Crowd Says:

2020-07-28T04:50:33+00:00

Mango Jack

Roar Guru


But has it resulted in less controversy? I think the on field decision is correct in most cases, and in the ones where it is overturned by the bunker, a lot of them are line ball and get argued over anyway. I'm not saying get rid of it, just that it is overused and is not the silver bullet.

2020-07-28T02:06:14+00:00

Geoff from Bruce Stadium

Roar Rookie


I guess they are reluctant not to refer it MJ just in case they make a glaring error on field - its become a bit like Test cricket where just lots of decisions are referred to see if there whether there is a no ball, an edge, whether the ball pitches in line with an LBW decision, whether it is hitting the stumps etc. This decision making takes time but I'd rather they got it right and they have the technology available. The Simonsson decision was more a lack of awareness that both players were competing for the ball and the Dufty decision only had a split decision between him grounding and the Cronulla player. Dinosaurs like Gus hate the bunker but I'm a fan if they get the vast majority of decisions right. Nobody gives them a pat on the baclk when they get it right which is most of the time.

2020-07-27T23:52:09+00:00

Mango Jack

Roar Guru


I'm not opposed to the Bunker in principle, but I think refs over use it. Maybe some analysis on try situations is needed. What percentage are referred to the bunker and of those, how many overturn the onfield decision. If, as I suspect, most decisions are upheld, it suggests that refs are referring decisions unnecessarily. Personally, I'm happy to have the odd bad call go against my team for the sake of less interruptions. They even out in the end.

2020-07-27T23:44:01+00:00

Wood.Duck

Roar Rookie


Roosters hat trick of World Club Challenge Cups are definitely still on. Go you back to back Premiers.

2020-07-27T23:08:38+00:00

souvalis

Roar Rookie


Essentially, the form is “If this condition is fulfilled, then this outcome will happen.” Not sure if your grammar explanation is totally co ordinated with reality here.

2020-07-27T23:03:00+00:00

Rellum

Roar Guru


I am sure this little disclaimer never comes into play in some sort of creative way and is NEVER abused. What players can earn outside the salary cap Unlimited - Players can earn unlimited amounts from corporate sponsors who are not associated with the club and who do not use the game's intellectual property (no club logos, jerseys or emblems) provided these are pre-approved by both a Player’s Club and the NRL. These agreements may not be negotiated by the club as an incentive for a player to sign a contract, nor can they be guaranteed by the club. Other Benefits - Tertiary education fees, approved traineeships, medical insurance costs, relocation/temporary accommodation costs are not included in the cap but must be approved If politicians can get away with claiming for trips to their own weddings or go to a Gold Coast golf tournament to "study golf tourism opportunities".

2020-07-27T23:02:48+00:00

mushi

Roar Guru


And if you actually read what you responded to: "It might cost them this year but then they’ll still have 2 out of 3 titles which will be 1 more than 1 club and 2 more than the other 14." You'd also see that I say it has game to game swings of even higher errors/less line breaks but it is an accepted part of the play style and nothing new.

2020-07-27T22:54:06+00:00

souvalis

Roar Rookie


What part is too hard for you ,man ..just don’t know how to put it any clearer or simpler.Last chance.. The original comment from Albo ‘ Roosters real problem is their error count ‘ he’s clearly talking about current form..wherein you say ‘nah yada..‘ That’s the issue, they were good enough in the past to make errors, win games and still finish 1 or 2 in regular..but this season thus far..the games they won in the past, they’re losing. Most of this is purposefully( sorry, on purpose ) kept to words of no more than 2 syllables..but, comprehension is still a lottery with you.

2020-07-27T22:20:59+00:00

mushi

Roar Guru


“Me: I didn’t predict anything.” Then someone hacked your account because this all kicked off with your account making an If -> Then statement. Which was discussing the future as fact. Which by definition is a prediction And those predictions are that they lose and then you’ve held it up as fact that they can’t win.

2020-07-27T22:16:19+00:00

mushi

Roar Guru


"You: Well, if you predict.blah, twist, blah, spit." Ironic given you've employed a combative tone to each reply to my posts and kicked off the discourse between us in this thread.

2020-07-27T22:14:39+00:00

mushi

Roar Guru


“Me: Not this year with this team..clearly.” Um nice Trumping there. Why is it clear they can’t win playing this type of football? First for a guy who is adamant he’s predicted nothing (a mistruth) you’ve just said it is clear they can’t win the comp but it feel to me like there’s still some games to be played on that front. Did I miss the grand final on the weekend. They are on a similar win loss record this year to last year. I seem to remember some cliché merchant saying champions don’t lose games like that in the 2 point loss to the Storm committing 17 errors. And yet I think last year they had a 2 point loss to the storm with 18 errors. Now riddle me this – did the rooster win the competition despite losing that game and committing those errors. So why are you so adamant it is impossible this year

2020-07-27T22:10:05+00:00

mushi

Roar Guru


“You: History says Roosters can make errors and still win” Well that’s just fact. And what I’m actually saying is that high error counts have been typical of the Roosters and history says they also have won lots of games playing that way. So to say the error counts are a telling stat for why they can’t win the competition is baseless.

2020-07-27T22:02:30+00:00

mushi

Roar Guru


Utter tosh and nonsense, I think this has highlighted a short coming in your faculties and makes me question the basis of every post of yours.

2020-07-27T21:08:10+00:00

souvalis

Roar Rookie


You: History says Roosters can make errors and still win Me: Not this year with this team..clearly. You: Well, if you predict.blah, twist, blah, spit.. Me: I didn’t predict anything.

2020-07-27T20:55:11+00:00

DP Schaefer

Roar Rookie


I doubt any player at Roosters takes unders, that’s a myth. They get compensated in other ways. Third Party Payments that are not revealed, promises of additional work or payments. Cronk finished at chooks and is immediately on the payroll as an extra coach + possible leg-ups in media career. Anyone not seeing that only needs look at the offer to SBW of a coaching role until he’s back in super league. How many coaches do they need?? One of the hidden mantras and appeals of a club like that is the concept that they ‘look after you’. So, no… don’t believe anybody they want is getting unders at chooks.

2020-07-27T12:12:13+00:00

Kanggas2

Roar Rookie


Sounds very likeable I agree

2020-07-27T11:26:04+00:00

Wood.Duck

Roar Rookie


I count 27 points for Penrith. 30 eill secure a top four.

2020-07-27T11:19:41+00:00

Geoff from Bruce Stadium

Roar Rookie


I actually thought Aiden Sezer was at his best at the Titans - Scott Prince, Preston Campbell, Mat Rogers, Luke Bailey and Mark Minichello all played pretty well for the Titans back in around 2010 - back in the heady days when they came 4th if I recall - strong team back then

2020-07-27T11:09:50+00:00

Geoff from Bruce Stadium

Roar Rookie


I don't mind the concept of the bunker - we have the technology so lets get it right - unfortunately they haven't always got it right e.g the Simonsson send off and the Dufty grounding the ball. If they can adjudicate correctly on 98% of the other decisions I'll be happy

2020-07-27T11:06:35+00:00

Geoff from Bruce Stadium

Roar Rookie


Less predictable with the elimination of the wrestle. I might not agree with all the 6 again decisions but its opened up the game and made it a much better spectacle to watch - jeez even the Storm have been good to watch at times.

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