Is the new Carlton line-up really all that improved?

By Charlie Keegan / Roar Guru

Carlton has flipped the switch and decided to recruit for the here and now.

They’ve recruited Lachie Fogarty with Pick 30, Adam Saad for Pick 8 and Zac Williams through free agency. It’s a sign they’re going to be challenging for finals soon.

So what does the new and improved Carlton look like? And what are their prospects this year, particularly given they sacrificed their prospects in this year’s draft for their list management strategy?

Carlton’s best 22

Backs: Lachlan Plowman, Jacob Weitering and Sam Docherty.
Halfbacks: Adam Saad, Liam Jones and Sam Petrevski-Seton.
Centres: Zac Williams, Ed Curnow and Marc Murphy.
Followers: Marc Pittonet, Patrick Cripps and Sam Walsh.
Half-forwards: Jack Martin, Charlie Curnow (uncertain) and Zac Fisher.
Forwards: Tom De Koenig, and Harry McKay and Lachie Fogarty.
Bench: Jack Newnes, Levi Casbout, Matt Kennedy and Caleb Marchbank.
Emergencies: Mitch McGovern, Eddie Betts, Tom Williamson and Paddy Dow.

(Photo by Graham Denholm/AFL Photos via Getty Images )

Backs

What was previously a weakness of the Carlton footy club has now become a relative strength with the recruitment of Adam Saad and Zac Williams to provide outside run and carry for the Blues and assist with the spread from the contest.

Their recruiting matches that of a side that is preparing to play fast slingshot footy on the outside providing assistance to a part of the game they desperately need as they’ve struggled on the transition from inside to outside relying on their inside bull in Patrick Cripps.

While they still have the extremely talented Sam Docherty, Liam Jones and Jacob Weitering, they have a very well-balanced backline, with Sam Docherty able to use the ball effectively and Jones and Weitering able to peel off their man and intercept with ease. They also have Nic Newman, who unfortunately ruptured his patella tendon in June of this year and will probably not return before the end of next year.

They also have a large amount of depth, with Brodie Kemp, Matthew Owies, Mitch McGovern and Levi Csasboult all able to perform roles in the backline in a pinch. The Blues will be reasonably difficult to score against next year and will present challenges for any offensively minded team.

Zac Williams could be the difference for Carlton (Photo by Michael Willson/AFL Photos via Getty Images)

Midfield

The Blues have always had contested ball beasts able to win the ball on the inside, and Paddy Cripps is no exception. They’ve been desperate for players who can use the ball on the outside and move it to their key forwards. Instead of relying solely on the preternatural abilities of Cripps they now have Williams on the wing, who can provide line-breaking run and carry that will be very helpful to the Blues long kicking and strong marking game style.

They still lack a midfielder who can play an effective second fiddle to Cripps and co and they have an over-reliance on their elder statesmen of the club in Marc Murphy and Ed Curnow, both of whom are on the wrong side of 30.

The younger cohort that they expected to take up the mantle in Lochie O’Brien and Paddy Dow has not come to fruition and their development has been somewhat stunted. They also have far too many midfielders who are far too one-paced and similar to one another, though this has been somewhat offset by the development of Sam Petrevski-Seton as a halfback flanker and the inclusion of Zac Williams into their new line-up.

In better news, the Blues have a lot of depth at the ruck position as well with the inclusion of Marc Pittonet and Tom De Koenig developing alongside one another and Pittonet proving to be an extremely effective tap ruck option with reasonable follow up around the ground.

They also have Levi Casboult who can go through the ruck in a pinch and can basically operate as a plug-and-play option around the ground.

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Forwards

The recent news surrounding Charlie Curnow and his stress fractures on the same side as his problematic knees may throw this line-up out a little but they have readily available replacements in the wings with Mitch McGovern and Charlie Curnow.

The other predominant issue is what to do about Eddie Betts. There is the natural romance associated with having the club’s prodigal son return as they surge up the ladder for a triumphant return from the wilderness that Carlton have been in for the previous seven years. But I believe they will not be imminently pushing up the ladder and that makes Betts more important as a depth player as he can provide better assistance off the field than on it.

In the interim I have created the forward line around the idea of flexibility and reducing the number of rotations they need through the bench while reducing the amount of running the midfielders need to do allowing them to form the wall around their attacking 50 as well as creating the paddock for McKay and Curnow to lead into.

Tom De Koenig in the pocket is also the same plan the Saints use to stretch defenders while without taking up a bench spot. The Carlton footy club forward line is looking the strongest they have in years, but they do lack depth at the small forward position, and that will present trouble particularly when applying pressure at the full-forward line. Instead, it operates as a way to increase the flexibility of their line-up while uniquely using the specificities of the Carlton line-up.

Bench

Levi Casboult is the prototypical plug-and-play player. He’s an extremely useful utility as a third tall defender, backup ruckman and even key forward. While he may have issues with his set shot, he is still in the Blues best 22.

Jack Newnes is a good option for rotating through the midfield as well as going forward as a sharpshooter, as was shown in the Fremantle game. He has a good ability to go forward, but he would perhaps be one of the first players to go out of the line-up, hence the selection on the bench.

Matt Kennedy and Caleb Marchbank are options for the midfield and defence respectively, but he could easily be replaced with Brodie Kemp, Lochie O’Brien and Paddy Dow.

So where does that leave the Carlton line-up?

Well, this year was an improvement but how much of that can be contributed to the unique circumstances surrounding COVID? Not a lot, I would say, given that Richmond still won.

They will improve, and given they have recruited extremely aggressively, it is a finals-or-bust conundrum. The Blues have recruited extremely aggressively and the average age of their list is advanced so they need to improve lest they lose their ability to exploit that but I think their 22 to 26-year-old cohort is lacking.

The Crowd Says:

2020-11-27T00:15:56+00:00

Tom

Guest


Hahaha no second fiddle for Cripps, ever heard of Walsh and Setterfield? How do you a whole written piece on the midfield and not mention their main midfielders besides Cripps. Over reliance on Murphy and Curnow ???? maybe because you forgot Carlton's actual midfield. I also have no idea how Owies, a man who has only ever played forward pocket, can slot in at the back.

2020-11-25T22:03:24+00:00

Brett

Guest


Good to read that Charlie Curnow can fill in for Charlie Curnow, but just until his injuries are overcome...

2020-11-25T16:35:30+00:00

Cain Lidds

Guest


Emphasis on WAS. saad would run rings around Simmo everyday of the week. You watch but you don't see.

2020-11-25T16:21:54+00:00

tp

Guest


Have you not heard of Will Setterfield ??? The recent news surrounding Charlie Curnow and his stress fractures on the same side as his problematic knees may throw this line-up out a little but they have readily available replacements in the wings with Mitch McGovern and Charlie Curnow. So Charlie is replacing Charlie ??? WTF

2020-11-24T00:34:42+00:00

Brian Mcmahon

Guest


The strengthening backline adds run and toughness to their line up. The forward will greatly benefit from quicker delivery and McKay in particular looms as a forward in the competition.

2020-11-23T23:21:42+00:00

Bludger

Guest


Not sure why McGovern is in the first side? I watched every Carlton match this season. What games are you watching? There is a bunch of blokes I would have in before him. He doesn't touch it. Maybe Matthew Kennedy or Jack Silvagni for your list with Mitch out. Fogarty is a bit of a development player, he will need to earn his stripes in the seconds first. He struggled at Geelong. Silvagni well ahead of him. Tom De Konig instead of Pittonet as a first pick ruck. How long do you want to wait to see him get batter for? The time is now. Charlie Curnow probably will be injured, so you will need to look for someone else there. Newnes looks alright. Keep persisting with him. I would not be sure Charlie can ever get back to what he was now. Other than that you are pretty spot on.

2020-11-23T14:02:44+00:00

Andrew Turnley

Guest


Michael Gibbons, Jack Silvangi , David Cunningham, Will Setterfield are all missing ?

2020-11-23T06:47:46+00:00

Col from Brissie

Roar Guru


Only saw it on a Carlton supporters Facebook page with no details of when he did it. There has been nothing in the media or on the Carlton website. The guy who posted it is pretty close to club officials so I am only going on what he said. It kept Harry out for a few months & we know what it did I to Williamson. Hopefully, if true he will recover quickly.

2020-11-23T06:42:13+00:00

Footyguy

Guest


I think their list has improved. Their back half is elite, they have some very good players coming through The holes are inside midfielders born from the year 1990-1995 Besides Cripps, Murphy (34 next year), Curnow (32 next year) That's it they have no experienced inside midfielders besides that Setterfield is not an experienced midfield, they have a lot of young up and coming inside midfielders Paddy Dow, Lochie O'Brien, Will Setterfield, Liam Stocker, David Cunnigham, Sam Philp, Walsh to me looks more like an outside wingman They have a ton of wingman, but for Carlton to finish higher than 7th one of those young midfielders their needs a big season Another little hole is small forwards, they have Jack Martin Another question is how will the forward structure work? McGovern will he play fwd or back? Curnow will he be injured? What if Curnow, McKay, McGovern are injured?

2020-11-23T05:03:27+00:00

Macca

Roar Rookie


Geez Col, can't we get a bit of good news. Hopefully they picked it up early and it will settle quickly with modified program.

2020-11-23T03:29:48+00:00

Carltonian

Guest


Ch Curnow has not played in a few years. Even if he was to come back now he won't ever be what he could have been because of the injuries. He will be slower and just able to jump like he could. It is beginning to get to the point with Charlie to cut your losses with him.

2020-11-23T02:53:08+00:00

Brendon the 1st

Roar Rookie


No mention by anyone about the enormous loss over the off season? Kade Simpson was a gun, and now he’s not there, I’d have him over Saad any day coming of half back.

2020-11-22T23:22:37+00:00

terrykidd

Roar Pro


On balance the squad is improved.

2020-11-22T21:23:04+00:00

Naughty's Headband

Roar Rookie


I think the Blues rise up the ladder is contingent on getting Charlie fit. Take him out of that 22 and their tall forwards look decidedly less dynamic. Also, they're probably 2 decent midfielders short of really challenging. Their backline is definitely a strength now.

2020-11-22T21:20:06+00:00

Carltonian

Guest


If I was list managing Carlton I would have cut McGovern and kept Kennedy. The most basic requirement to play footy at any level is 'finding the ball'. Mitch does not do this. And I cannot see this ever changing. A big hole in his game is how he consistently runs under the flight of the ball and is not in a position to mark. This is under 10's stuff. How he managed to con his way through to this level is beyond me and because Carlton invested so much in him, they are doubling down. Like when you lose at cards you double your bets the next hand. That will have predictable results. The Liam Jones turnaround is a once in a generation thing.

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2020-11-22T13:14:02+00:00

Charlie Keegan

Roar Guru


Well that’s not good, but he should be coming along Nicely clearly the blues rate him.

2020-11-22T11:16:57+00:00

Doran Smith

Roar Guru


My Team: B: M.McGovern, Weitering, Saad HB: Z.Williams, Casboult, Docherty C: Newman, Kennedy, Cunningham HF: Gibbons, L.Jones (2nd ruck), Cripps FF: Setterfield, McKay, Fisher R: Pittonet, Walsh, SPS I/C: J.Martin, Newnes, M.Murphy, Jack Silvagni

2020-11-22T11:10:56+00:00

Col from Brissie

Roar Guru


Macca, have heard that Kemp has a stress fracture in his back. Looks like he might not be ready for the start of the season.

2020-11-22T09:54:50+00:00

Thom Roker

Roar Guru


Well, there's certainly a lot of 5%ers without a job right now who'll be looking for a chance to play in Victoria in front of the recruiters. By that, I mean that primary list sizes have been reduced by 5%, so those players who would normally have made the cut will be especially eager to get back on a list in 2022 when list sizes could go back up. If you know anyone in the Blues recruitment department, get them to have a look at Mitch O'Neil. Double All-Australian U18, delisted by WC because he got stuck in Tasmania all season.

2020-11-22T09:44:51+00:00

Cracka

Roar Rookie


Interesting thoughts, looking at it I see Carlton wanting to bring a brand of footy to their club, through not being interested in premierships in the VFL but engineering a game plan that will help develop players in the VFL that can step straight into the AFL and to develop players that don’t get on a AFL list, should be interesting the way Carlton move over the next 3 years, from what I hear they have VERY HIGH TARGETS. A VFL premiership would be a bonus.

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