Australia’s Asian Champions League clubs are doing as well as can be expected

By Stuart Thomas / Expert

Reigning domestic league champions Sydney FC are gone, Melbourne Victory are hanging on by the skin of their teeth and Perth Glory remain winless in five.

That is the scenario facing the three clubs heading into Matchday 6 of the 2020 Asian Champions League, with the group stage approaching a conclusion. In fitting with recent performances, it appears likely that no Australian club will sneak into the final 16, bar a stunning win by Victory tonight.

Just eight times have teams managed that feat since A-League clubs joined the fray in 2007. Melbourne Victory and Sydney FC both managed to advance in 2016, Adelaide United has done so three times (2008, 2010, 2012), the Central Coast Mariners and Newcastle Jets existed beyond the group stage in 2013 and 2009 respectively and the Western Sydney Wanderers marched all the way to the trophy in their title year of 2014.

Prior to the 2020 edition Australia’s domestic clubs have had 39 cracks at the competition for those moderately successful eight trips to the knockout phase.

Across that period, 218 matches had brought just 65 Australian wins and produced a -79 goal difference that reflects the generally unsuccessful campaigns undertaken.

As Asian football continues to truck along at a seemingly exponential rate, recent Australian performances in the competition have slumped to a new low. In fact just eight wins have been recorded by Australian clubs since 2018 from a collective 43 matches.

Should Aussie clubs be doing better in the ACL? (Photo by Tony Feder/Getty Images)

Of the 138 goals scored in those games, just 53 have been converted by A-League clubs at a goal difference of -32.

They are the most sobering of ACL statistics and ones that bring many to express a view that Australian clubs are wasting their time attempting to compete in Asia’s most challenging and difficult league to win.

In truth, if the chances of winning are the measuring stick by which those people assess the ‘point’ of A-League clubs competing, I guess they may well be right.

As it stands, Sydney FC, Melbourne Victory and Perth do not possess a squad of players capable of playing the consistent mid-week football required to defeat the top teams in Asia.

However, were football teams to withdraw from competitions based on the realistic assessment that they were no chance of winning it, world football would look very different.

The EPL would be a small six team elitist farce, Juventus and Bayern Munich would have had no one to play against for near a decade and the World Cup of football would shrink considerably; potentially down to a eight to ten-team tournament where the rest of the world would stay home knowing they did not have a hope in Hades.

Of course, that is just nonsense. Competing hard only when one knows that the chances of success are high is the antithesis of sport.

As is any notion that A-League clubs should be doing anything other than fiercely competing in Asia, potentially using the fairy tale of the Wanderers as a template for their hopes and application.

More often than not, Western Sydney’s success will remain well out of reach for the Australian teams who manage to qualify.

That fact is reflected clearly in the decrease in the number of automatic qualification spots allocated to Australia in 2021; due to poor performances, just one team will earn the right to automatically compete and two other clubs will have to find their way to the tournament proper through the play-off rounds.

If anyone is surprised or disappointed by the entire situation, they shouldn’t be.

Of the 32 clubs involved in the 2020 ACL tournament, the three Australian based clubs have rosters valued at near one fifth of those most likely to compete for the title.

Popular online football tool Transfermarkt.com ranks the three Australian clubs in the bottom six in terms of the overall value of their playing personnel and with powerhouses such as Shanghai SIPG, Guangzhou Evergrande, Al-Hilal and Beijing Sinobo Guon possessing plenty of individual talent worth millions, it is little surprise that Sydney, Victory, Perth and others, have struggled.

Whilst not wishing to sound defeatist and always remaining open to another fairytale occurring, the harsh reality for Australian ACL teams is that they are way off the pace when it comes to seriously competing for an Asian title.

I wish it wasn’t the case, but it is. Yet, leaving the competition or taking it any less seriously than the clubs currently do would be counter-intuitive.

The move into Asia was made to advance Australian football; providing more consistent play against quality opposition. As a by-product, World Cup qualification became a little easier (emphasis on little) yet on the down side, it is now as plain as day that ACL success is something well beyond Australian clubs in the current climate.

We shouldn’t lament that fact, instead taking on the challenge as best we can. There will be another title somewhere down the line for an A-League club. Someday, somewhere.

Yet it won’t happen with hamstrung, salary capped Australian clubs competing against the might of a cashed up and briskly expanding Asian football sector.

The Crowd Says:

2020-12-04T05:38:10+00:00

Cameron Ogg

Guest


I don't disagree with the commentary of Australian Teams in the ACL, but there is a lot more than just not making the most of opportunities going on here. Just look at the disparity between Shanghai SIPG and Sydney FC. One club pays one player the entire Salary of the other clubs players in a season and has two players paid much much more than that. Until the next CSL season large ownership allows the companies to pour not millions but hundreds of millions every season into their squads. and unlike Japan and Korea which have had healthy growing competitions for thirty odd years the A-League still has teething problems and a sport flooded environment to compete with. This article is defeatist in presuming Australian Football clubs will never accomplish what WSW did. The ACL is a biased competition that generally works for the benefit of the Western Zone and Chinese and Japanese clubs, If the competition wasn't separated into two Zones, but rather Four or None we might see Australian clubs do better. And if Australian companies got onboard and financially supported the Australian teams and the A-League the potential outcomes would be significant.

2020-12-04T00:50:15+00:00

Samuel Power

Roar Rookie


I reckon one of our teams qualifying for the Round of 16 is doing way better than expected, and surprisingly it's the Victory out of all 3! Great signs for Melbourne, Sydney FC and Perth Glory I thought have played OK as well.

2020-12-03T22:43:03+00:00

Harry Selassie

Roar Rookie


How about Melbourne Victory defeating FC Seoul and qualifying out of their group along with Beijing Guoan? I did not expect this at all which makes the Victory’s qualification all the sweeter. Of the 3 Aussie clubs in the competition we all know the Victory had the poorest A League season in 2019-20. But the team have made several interesting offseason acquisitions like Callum McManaman and Jacob Butterfield from Luton, plus Olyroos Ben Folami from Ipswich and Jake Brimmer, who has scored in each of the past 2 games, and arrived from Perth Glory. And with goalie Lawrence Thomas off to Europe, the Kiwi keeper Max Crocombe who came from Brisbane Roar has been playing well. Again I don’t expect miracles but the Victory showed resilience and anything that happens after this is just extra. This showing does give renewed hope for the new A League season begining at the end of this month.

2020-12-03T14:44:49+00:00

Anthony Ferguson

Guest


Cuppy McCupface

2020-12-02T21:17:40+00:00

Punter

Roar Rookie


Wasn't trying to be funny, were you? Just trying to help you understand this concept of champions league for an AFL fan.

2020-12-02T20:50:16+00:00

c

Roar Rookie


:stoked:

AUTHOR

2020-12-02T20:49:02+00:00

Stuart Thomas

Expert


Returning to Oceania because we will win the region? The move to Asia was done for so many much bigger and more important reasons.

AUTHOR

2020-12-02T20:46:44+00:00

Stuart Thomas

Expert


I think you may have misread the point here. Qualify has been a 'little' easier, hence the reason why we have made it each and every time and not faced a Argentina/Uruguay type knockout at the final stage. However, as I point out through the quotation marks, any idea that qualification is a certainty is crazy, with Asian teams improving and our previous qualification a close run thing. Decent summary considering I've only watched football for a few years!

2020-12-02T20:43:59+00:00

Doc Disnick

Roar Guru


You need to work on your comedy. It lacks real punch & conviction. It’s all in the delivery. I’ve been here for two seconds, said five words, yet somehow have managed to draw an AFL comment from you. Amazing.

2020-12-02T20:38:53+00:00

Punter

Roar Rookie


It's like in AFL where Australia's champion team Richmond plays other champion teams from other countries.

2020-12-02T05:59:03+00:00

2dogz

Roar Rookie


I think it’s a sport were the best mushrooms compete. I could be wrong though

2020-12-01T15:33:23+00:00

Baggio

Guest


North America? Australia easily beat Honduras in 2018 for the wcup. Mexico is the only quality side from that confederation. Costa rica did ok in 2014 but rarely does anything and the other big team from the confederation the US failed to qualify behind Panama in 2018.

2020-12-01T13:56:44+00:00

Nick Symonds

Guest


UNLIKELY NAMES FOR THE CUP Coupe De Football Australie Copa Australia Kaz Patafta Cup Clive Palmer Cup David Gallop Cup Southern Expansion Memorial Urn That's Not A Cup Cuppy McCupface Cup Kiss And Make Cup Mariners Ball Kid Who Took Cahill's Corner Flag Cup I Can't Believe It's Not The FA Cup

2020-12-01T12:21:45+00:00

NoMates

Guest


Oceania is way harder to Qlfy for world cups as you only get 1 chance against an unknown opponent from a unknown region. Asia you get 3 chances to qlfy against teams you know of. This is why a move back to Oceania is only a good thing for the HAL and World Cups as we produced better players and could actual beat OFC champions teams from the islands and New Zealand.

2020-12-01T10:20:18+00:00

The Recalcitrant

Guest


Agree with a lot of your article. One thing I don't is that you suggest that qualifying for world cups is only a 'little' easier nowadays. Clearly you have only been watching the game in the last 20 years. Asia is only above Oceania in qualifying difficulty. North America and South America are streets ahead. If you were watching the game long term, you would know this.

2020-12-01T09:01:09+00:00

Baggio

Guest


Logistically its very hard for an Australian team to win it as well. Sydney to Tokyo isnt exactly the same as London to Rome. Then throw in long distance games domestically to the mix. On another note, if Australia has to play its home world cup qualifiers on neutral territory because of Covid we could be in trouble. Our success at qualifying has been built around success at home with teams from the middle east particularly struggling here.

AUTHOR

2020-12-01T08:13:51+00:00

Stuart Thomas

Expert


Someone suggested Matt Simon to me. Very unfair. I was thinking more the Piovaccari Plate.

2020-12-01T07:07:26+00:00

Buddy

Roar Rookie


I confess I constantly have a smile on my face when I think about the imminent renaming of the governing body. Going form Soccer to football and currently FFA to FA is just brimming with humour, satire and probably some barbed comments too. I've promised myself not to get involved at that level - there will be plenty out there who do! The FFA Cup needs rebranding - not sure whether we want a players' name though!

AUTHOR

2020-12-01T05:57:37+00:00

Stuart Thomas

Expert


Well said. Also interesting to consider that we scraped through World Cup qualification via play-offs last time round and didn't play poorly. There are now a solid 5-6 Asian teams capable of qualifying, depending on the talent that pops up in any given window. If the Socceroos are destined to be battling for the second automatic spot and the play-off position, I guess it only stands to reason that our domestic teams will be up against it playing against teams from the domestic league of those nations above and around us; particularly when you consider that those clubs are also filled with international stars to compliment the, for example, Chinese, Saudi and Korean local players.

AUTHOR

2020-12-01T05:52:17+00:00

Stuart Thomas

Expert


Certainly not a good scenario. However planning can't really be to blame. Nobody could plan for 2020, the reduced cap and the talent available. They certainly do need a body up front though. Could they poach the great Matt Simon at the 11th hour? :silly: :silly:

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