Six Nations: Round 2 talking points

By Oliver Matthews / Expert

A freezing cold, wet weekend in the UK meant some tricky conditions for rugby, but that didn’t stop the Six Nations from providing three more cracking games to enjoy.

Red cards, wingers flying through the air to score, horror injuries, youngsters setting the game on fire and the oldies of the international game picking up another win for the record books – there was lots going on and lots to talk about.

Is it time to take action against the crocodile?
One of the saddest moments from the weekend came within minutes of one of the highlights. Jack Willis, the England back-rower, had fought his way back from a serious knee injury to become player of the English Premiership season in 2020 and into the England set-up. Soon after coming on against Italy he had scored a try and the comeback story was complete – or so many thought.

Moments later he could be heard screaming in agony as his knee was twisted badly in a crocodile tackle from Italian flanker Sebastian Negri. As the Englishman was driven off the field the debate started about whether it was time to bring in changes to make the crocodile tackle illegal.

Sadly Willis isn’t the first player to be injured by the controversial technique but the debate is made more complex in this situation because Negri was actually off his feet when he tackled the Englishman. The referee decided there was no infringement and so no punishment was given on the field, but there will be more debate as another top player has his career threatened by the technique.

The R word is back again
Although the current youngsters of Italy are attracting some compliments, the stark reality is that the team have yet again lost the first two games of the competition and conceded a bucketload of points.

For every comment about how the current team of exciting youth deserve a few years to bond and grow together there’s also a comment saying it was time to discuss relegation again as part of the Six Nations tournament.

It’s not a new debate, but as long as Italy continue to prop up the ladder like a stack of dusty books under a student’s bed, then it will not go away.
Unfortunately the stats continue to work against the Italians.

Could there be a new play-off game where the sixth-placed side from the Six Nations plays against the winner of the Rugby Europe International Championship (the Tier 2 competition) each year?

Of course the impact of a decision like this goes far beyond the national team and would impact domestic competition a huge amount. But how much longer can the Six Nations organisers refuse to penalise teams for coming last and refuse to reward the Tier 2 sides for winning their competition?

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Does Owen Farrell need to start worrying?
England beat Italy comfortably on the weekend, and even though Italy scored first, the result was never really in doubt. Despite this solid win, mentions of Owen Farrell in the sports pages are not about a strong response from him as a leader or a player but rather questioning whether he is a dead cert for selection any more.

Against Italy there was another one of those Farrell moments when he came under scrutiny for a dodgy tackle. This time it was a late hit on Stephen Varney and a head collision. The officials decided there was no penalty required, but for many fans it was another example of how Farrell keeps coming under the spotlight for these sorts of incidents. And for what? He wasn’t saving a try or desperately trying to get his team back into a game they were losing. The game was won and the Italians were no threat. So why do it, Owen?

Eddie Jones played Farrell at No. 10 in Round 1 against Scotland and he didn’t play well. When England did have the ball there was little direction, control or flair. He’s not England’s only decent goal kicker and there are better playmakers or creative players available to Jones.

These realities are starting to stack up against the England captain, and now there are concerns that he’s one of the reasons why England are struggling to find their attacking rhythm. England’s wingers looked good on the weekend and Henry Slade is also nice to watch with ball in hand, but these players seem to be getting the ball only in broken play or from an opposition kick. Farrell is not distributing or giving these players time and space with the ball and England’s attack is stuttering.

Farrell has been away from the game for a while and so perhaps these things will change with some game time. But you wonder if the underlying attitude that sees him challenge the rules and fans’ patience time and again will ever change and how much longer it will be tolerated.

Owen Farrell (Kaz Photography/Getty Images)

What do we make of Wales?
If you were to look at the table alone, you’d assume the Welsh are looking pretty and playing well. Wins against Ireland and Scotland – that last one away in Edinburgh – and the Welsh Dragon is flying high.

Add to the ladder the fact that you’ve got a player like 20-year-old Louis Rees-Zammit playing beautifully and scoring tries that make fans of all types stand up from the seats and shout, “How did he do that?”, and you’d think everything is going oh so well for the men in red.

However, the other side of the coin suggests this Welsh team are being flattered by the competition ladder. Yes, they’ve won two from two, but in both games they’ve been on the beneficial side of red cards and played against 14 men for long periods of time.

If you ask pundits and fans alike, a large number believe that Wales would not have beaten Scotland this weekend were it not for the red card, and many feel the same about their first-round outing against the Irish. Of course you can only play the opposition in front of you, and if one of them is going to get sent off, then what are you meant to do? Ask the ref to give him a second chance and promise to be a good boy?

But people point to the fact that Wales’ new style under Wayne Pivac still isn’t really clear to see and that the team is nowhere near as good as the ladder leads people to believe. Their line out has started to creak and is not as reliable as it used to be.

There are three games left for Wales, and it’ll be interesting to see where they end up. They’ll beat Italy, so it all comes down to how they do against England and France. If they lose to both of these two, then a mid-table finish is likely and the first two wins against 14-man sides will perhaps hide some of the blushes. But if they beat England in Round 3 in Cardiff, they could be going to Paris to battle it out for the grand slam. It would be hard to argue then that they don’t deserve their position on the ladder.

French defence and control is scarier than their attack
France are on top of the ladder and playing some wonderful rugby. There is so much talk about their star names, and many regard scrumhalf Antoine Dupont as the form player in the world, let alone the Six Nations.

But as they wrapped up an important away win over Ireland this round the aspect of their game that really stood out was their control and defence – and that should scare other teams.

Ireland had almost 60 per cent possession and territory during the game and forced France to make over 200 tackles. But despite all this time with the ball in their hands, the Irish could create only three clean breaks and completed just five offloads.

The French defence and general attitude has really evolved over the past couple of years, and unsurprisingly master defensive coach Shaun Edwards is receiving a lot of praise. This ability for the French side to play with confidence and control while they don’t have the ball, trusting themselves and their teammates to soak up the pressure, is one of the signs of a team that is going to dominate others and pick up win after win after win.

They’ve got the attacking flair and ability to score from anywhere, and they can strike in a split second when an opponent makes a simple mistake. First-choice flyhalf Romain Ntamack is still out, but the team hasn’t missed a step as Dupont and Matthieu Jalibert have combined to make a really exciting halfback pairing.

But it’s the fact that their defence has become so effective that is the daunting prospect for all opposition. While Wales might be two from two alongside France at the top of the ladder, you’d be hard pressed to find many who would bet against Les Bleus winning the whole thing unbeaten.

The Crowd Says:

2021-02-16T20:51:14+00:00

Armchair Halfback

Roar Rookie


I listened to the House of Rugby Ireland podcast yesterday and they questioned the reasoning for putting rookie Craig Casey on the bench and not using him. I don't think Ireland will sack Andy Farrell - only 2 years till next RWC and money is too tight to be paying out his big bucks. I don't think he'll stay after his contract ends. It's possible that Ireland could have an O'Gara and O'Connell coaching team post 2023...

2021-02-16T16:50:02+00:00

Harry Jones

Expert


My power rankings would be: 1/ FRA 2/ SCO 3/ ENG 4/ WAL 5/ IRE 6/ ITA But England can march up, with their depth, whilst Scotland REALLLLLLLLLLY needed to take their threes and that match at home. I think Wales will start to lose.

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2021-02-16T15:47:33+00:00

Oliver Matthews

Expert


I'm really worried about Ireland - they seem lost and confused. There is this big cloud hanging over their half backs I think - people know that Murray and Sexton can't both start and lead Ireland to a World Cup in 2023 and yet no newbies are being given the chance to start a game at the moment and learn.

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2021-02-16T15:45:57+00:00

Oliver Matthews

Expert


Yeah agree re Wales - think they've been on the right side of some crucial decisions and that luck can't continue. Ireland really worry me - they feel even more lost to be honest and there seems to be a huge decision needed about their half backs and what the longer term vision is for the team. Personally I'd like to see Sexton coming off the bench from now on - let a younger player start and get the experience of trying to control and dictate a game instead of coming on after JS.

2021-02-16T14:22:05+00:00

GibbonRib

Roar Rookie


"[Wales'] line out has started to creak and is not as reliable as it used to be." What the Fegarson? Over the last 20 years there have been some pretty decent Welsh sides and some utterly abysmal ones, but the one constant is that their line out is always a dysfunctional basket case. Even when they were winning grand slams, their hooker couldn't hit a cow's arse with a banjo. The last era of a reliable Welsh line out ended in 1999 when they changed the rules to allow lifting, nullifying the dominance of 6'10" Derwyn Jones

2021-02-16T12:05:08+00:00

Harry Jones

Expert


Thanks, O. Scotland seems built for comebacks, instead of being able to put a match to bed (England is the reverse). French fitness still a flaw, but skill level and size/speed is there, so that’s scary. Wales and Ireland both look like struggling; despite the win-loss record. The next round will be fascinating!

2021-02-15T23:55:48+00:00

mssr renard

Guest


France are in good form so far and for me are the team to beat this year. England are sputtering and seem to lack the ability to make the most of an absurdly talented back line. Saracens relegation having an impact on the national side? Wales have issues but are a resilient side. Scotland started off well but the dreaded red card appeared and Ireland are still looking to get their edge back. It's always a great tournament but this year a big part of the magic is missing as a result of empty stadiums. I'll happily take this over no rugby but it's not same. People are questioning May's try because he went airborne? I would suggest that they watch again as it was a dive for the try line rather than jumping over the committed tackle which did connect. At least that was the guidance we received in the 80s and 90s. My team was mostly American guys playing in Europe and at the beginning of nearly every season we would give away penalties for jumping over tackles a la NFL.

2021-02-15T22:26:41+00:00

Machooka

Roar Guru


Thanks Oliver...

2021-02-15T21:16:31+00:00

Armchair Halfback

Roar Rookie


Thanks Oliver, riffing off Dickens, this 6 Nations could be "A tale of 2 Farrells". :laughing: France for the GF, Wales luck must come to an end. Ireland could have won, but just lack ruthlessness to grind out a win, as they would have done under Joe Schmidt.

2021-02-15T11:00:05+00:00

Robopoet

Roar Rookie


w.r.t Italy and relegation - I posted this suggestion for the 6N last year and called it the '4 + 2' idea Top 4 Six Nations side as per table finish + next 2 highest ranked sides from Europa and Asia as guest sides. this allows for Japan's entry and exposure to Tier one possibly every year. The weakness is that for this to happen it would require current 6N sides to vote for the possibility of excluding themselves, in which case try 5 + 1 - one guest side as per rankings. In the same way that the EU made no provision for countries ever wishing to leave, so has the 6N.

2021-02-15T10:24:24+00:00

Kashmir Pete

Roar Guru


Carlin Agree on all counts. It was actually when Rees-Zammit kicked that long touch finder late in the match that I thought 'this winger would be my man of the match' - chuffed a few mins later for his name to come up as exactly that ! :happy: Cheers KP

2021-02-15T08:57:44+00:00

Carlin

Roar Rookie


I really enjoyed the Scotland and Wales game. I have been really impressed with Rees-Zamit. You can tell he is a winger that loves to score tries. I thought Scotland had the upper hand especially at scrum time and do think they would have won if they finished with 15. Wales did well to capitalise with some well worked tries. It seems Scotland are on the improve, which is really important for them after a poor World Cup. Good to see Richie Gray back playing for Scotland. France look really impressive. I agree that Shaun Edwards has added to their defence and this is really well balanced with a team that is showing some great intent with ball in hand. Their loose trio do some really good things and DuPont is a great playmaker. The one thing I have liked so far in the 6 Nations is that their seems to be a bit more attacking intent. This might sound silly but wonder if the players feel they are able to play with more freedom without crowds???

2021-02-15T07:55:33+00:00

Hoy

Roar Guru


When was the last time you saw anyone rucking the ball? Years and years ago... because there is collateral damage... it was never legal to ruck a bloke, but it was accepted as collateral damage going for the ball... now, it’s completely unacceptable and a penalty would ensue instantly. So it is effectively outlawed.

2021-02-15T07:30:57+00:00

Just Nuisance

Roar Rookie


Rucking the player is outlawed. Not rucking the ball..

2021-02-15T07:18:06+00:00

Hoy

Roar Guru


Well, that seems outdated as rucking is now effectively outlawed too... so pushing... they will need to revisit how everyone enters rucks... perhaps we go back to the old days of binding together before we “go over”...

2021-02-15T07:13:36+00:00

Just Nuisance

Roar Rookie


Law 15.10... " Possession may be won either by rucking or pushing the opposing team off the ball."... Nothing about executing a roll which anyway enters the reams of the laws pertaining to dangerous play..

2021-02-15T06:50:47+00:00

CUW

Roar Rookie


is jmping into a tackle illegal? becoz am sure there was one such in france game and ref said so but did not give penalty also why no card for halfpenny for the airtackle - where the player landed on his back and seemed injured? people can say its innocuos but then there are surely hundreds of players who have been yellowed for siimilar tackles - so where is consistency?

2021-02-15T06:46:50+00:00

CUW

Roar Rookie


@ Oliver Matthews how come the tv ref not a talking point? just before Englands first try there was a massive knock on by May . ref said its fine but in the next set of playes england scored then the tv showed the replay and the commentators went - thats a big knock on but now its too late to do anything !!! in fact the ref whom i have never seen before was pathetic in the first half - as if he decided no knock ons in the game !!! check the next phase when there were 3 knock ons by the two temas - none called. then in the france game the ireland try came off a knock on by ireland - but the tv ref cleared it !!! that was perhaps an insult to the much better irish lineout - who lost their own lineout !!! can understand how refs get things wrong when played at real speed - but how the hell does a tv ref get things wrong looking at plays in slomo ????

2021-02-15T05:45:15+00:00

Just Nuisance

Roar Rookie


Farrell back in the headlines… Again.. For all the wrong reasons… Again.. This time copping it from Nigel Owens who has told him to zip it on the field and and to stop badgering the ref.. Also Owens has weighed in on the crocodile roll ( did we really belive Nigel would just retire quietly to his farm)?.. He is adamant that proper applications of the existing laws are sufficient to counter it.. A similar roll incidentally ended Jean De Villiers career.. And finally for once Pivac should keep the same Welsh team so we can actually see how good they are against 15 men. :stoked:

2021-02-15T01:31:23+00:00

Hoy

Roar Guru


Talking point avoided here is that there is a fair bit of blow up over May's try, and whether it should be allowed. It is an interesting conversation to have... Is he diving for the try, or vaulting a tackler? Owens has come out saying it should've been a penalty. It's an interesting one for sure. The crocodile tackle? Well... if this is an issue, how are players to be shifted at the ruck? Is it a matter of now conceding the ruck exceptionally early? Rugby has always said it is a game where the ball is always being competed for... So given the cards coming thick and fast for the clear outs, and now people asking to look at the crocodile roll... how exactly are players supposed to shift other players out of the ruck? And I don't excuse head shots during clean outs, but the risk is now very high that a team will be carded every game for it... it seems inevitable now. So how will the ruck be managed safely, but also keep it's point of difference?

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