Collingwood Magpies vs Western Bulldogs: AFL Friday night forecast

By Stirling Coates / Editor

The AFL has wasted no time setting up the Adam Treloar derby, with the ex-Magpie set to face off against his old side in the first Friday night match of the season.

Treloar’s controversial departure from Collingwood this past offseason was one of the most protracted and dramatic in recent memory. As much as Treloar doesn’t strike me as someone out to stir controversy (I interviewed him a few years ago and he was one of the kindest people I’ve spoken to), he’ll be the headline in this match and every act of influence he has over it will have another layer of meaning added to it – whether he likes it or not.

His departure from the Pies and arrival at the Dogs also contributes heavily to each club’s respective outlook for 2021. Most people have the Dogs rising up the ladder and challenging for a top four spot – or even the flag – and have Collingwood headed out of the top eight and into the abyss.

Even without the Treloar factor, this would still be a must-watch match.

Neither side would be too pleased with how 2020 played out on the field.

The Pies scored a famous win in Perth in the first week of the finals, but were badly exposed as the pretenders many thought they were against Geelong in the semis.

Those close to the club still believe they’ve got the cattle to finish inside the top eight, but big deficiencies in their game were uncovered last season – and their disastrous trade period only made them worse.

But the Bulldogs don’t get off the hook either. After getting obliterated in an elimination final against Greater Western Sydney, they went out and bought themselves a shiny new key forward and a shiny new key defender – only to not finish any higher.

They did well to recover from a horrid start to the year, but the club’s struggles appeared to be rooted in attitude and work rate at times, rather than ability, and no amount of talent will be enough if that isn’t rectified.

(Photo by Quinn Rooney/Getty Images)

Three burning questions

What have the Magpies actually lost?
Treloar, Jaidyn Stephenson, Tom Phillips and Atu Bosenavulagi left via trade, while Travis Varcoe, Tom Langdon, Dayne Beams, Lynden Dunn and Ben Reid all hung up the boots.

Some players on that list were well and truly out of the best 22 anyway, but there’s still a lot of output across multiple statistical categories that needs replacing.

I touched on it in a piece last week, but Treloar was clearly one of the Pies’ best midfielders last year despite only playing ten games. He led the club in disposals (27), contested possessions (13) and clearances (5.3) per game and was second for inside 50s (four) – all extraordinary numbers given the shortened matches.

Stephenson may have plateaued since his stunning 2018 campaign, but it was that electric play inside 50 that got within five points of a flag that season and, while you can argue he may never get back to those heights, you can’t deny Collingwood have struggled without his scoring output.

Steele Sidebottom’s absence will exacerbate any midfield weaknesses, but you’d imagine we’re about to learn very quickly just how different the engine room looks for the Pies in 2021.

How does the bulging Bulldog midfield actually work?
Marcus Bontempelli, Jack Macrae, Tom Liberatore, Josh Dunkley, Bailey Smith, Lachie Hunter – and now Treloar.

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That is one extraordinary midfield. The ‘too many cooks’ argument is a cliché bordering on cop-out (remember when everyone thought Tom Lynch would get in Jack Riewoldt’s way?), but it will be interesting to see how Luke Beveridge assigns and juggles roles to get the best out of all of the above names.

Does it mean almost a full year of Bontempelli playing up forward? Look out if it does.

Who kicks the goals?
Both of these sides enter the year with question marks around their forward lines.

The Dogs probably have more talent coming through with Aaron Naughton and Josh Schache, whereas the Pies have a more established goalkicker in Brody Mihocek – but there’s still a lot up in the air.

Will Tim English work up forward with Stefan Martin playing in the ruck? Does Naughton eventually move to his original position down back to give Schache and Josh Bruce more of a shot? How patient can the Dogs afford to be with Bruce after his horrid first year with the club?

As for Collingwood, they need to unearth someone capable of assisting Mihocek up forward. Jamie Elliott is still good for a couple every now and then and Josh Daicos looks the goods, but Mason Cox has had more than enough time to prove his preliminary final heroics weren’t the exception.

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Prediction

If pre-season sentiment was what actually decided results, the Bulldogs would win this match by 100 points. They enter tonight as the warm favourites regardless, but the egg they laid in this match last year has to weigh on everyone’s mind.

The Dogs should be mature enough to deal with the pressure of expectation and favouritism – and they’ll have their work cut for them against an experienced side who will still keep opponents honest no matter what happens this season.

But the absence of Steele Sidebottom through injury puts such a hole in the Magpie midfield that I can’t realistically see them getting too close.

Bulldogs by 26 points

That’s my Friday night forecast, what’s yours?

The Crowd Says:

2021-03-20T21:34:32+00:00

John


Does the loss mean Pies have gone backwards?

2021-03-20T10:41:21+00:00

O M

Roar Rookie


Treloar will improve as the year progresses. I rate Adams very highly however Collingwood have too many passengers to be a threat. Definitely top 8 for the bulldogs however Pies will miss.

2021-03-20T10:35:45+00:00

John


Thought Treloar made the Bulldogs look so much better and thought Adams looked pretty ordinary in comparison. Did Collingwood release the right midfielder?

2021-03-20T10:24:00+00:00

John


Great tipping

2021-03-20T08:25:21+00:00

John


Peter having watched the game last night several things come to mind. Firstly our forward line woes look like they will continue. Hatex seeing Jamie Elliot become our main target ehen he was continually worked over by two talls, he simply was ineffective. Cox can't keep away from tripping over his own two feet and Mihochek bit hot and cold. In midfield Adams was ordinary and Pendlebury not himself. Daicos was diasappointing compared to last year's standard and has bulked up at all. It's only one game but the signs are not good.

2021-03-19T13:42:28+00:00

Slane

Guest


He doesn't have to be better than Grundy. Just better than English has been against Grundy. Far out.

2021-03-19T08:48:01+00:00

berrlins

Roar Pro


I think you're a bit harsh on the back 6, they're missing another tall defender, so either Nuaghton goes back eventually or they turn English into a part time defender or something else. The forward line was abit too predictable last year but if Bont spends more time forward along with English which I think will happen, they'll be hard to defend against. The don't have the height of the other teams in last years top 8 and it hurt them in last years elim final, but they do have the speed and midfield grunt.

2021-03-19T08:45:02+00:00

Yattuzzi

Roar Rookie


The big doggies make them.

2021-03-19T08:43:17+00:00

O M

Roar Rookie


I agree Paul. I'm more excited about my Teams chances this year than I have been a while but I concede, we do have weakness both forward and back. I am still mystified by the recruitment of Bruce as I have never really rated him very highly and his 2020 Season was disaster. We will miss sorely miss Easton in the Backline tonight however I do think the Pies Forward Line is not strong either. I'm tipping my boys, with no confidence, to win by 18 points.

2021-03-19T08:42:57+00:00

User

Roar Rookie


I don't have the dogs getting higher than 7th, pies will make alot of pundits look silly, personally have them anywhere from 3-6.

2021-03-19T08:41:37+00:00

2dogz

Roar Rookie


Big call

2021-03-19T08:29:20+00:00

TomC

Roar Guru


Almost every pre-season ladder I saw had the Dogs in the top five. It seems people just can't accept that this team might actually be roughly as good as their win-loss record over the past two seasons. Precisely one win against a fellow top eight team in 2020, and that by two points against an Eagles outfit that barely functioned outside of Perth. Quite possibly the worst back six in the league, on paper. And yet there's something about them that causes everyone to focus with laserlike precision on their strengths, and their weaknesses barely rate a mention. The rule changes should favour teams with deep midfields, and the Dogs certainly have that. But I find it hard to accept that it compensates totally for the glaring issues they have elsewhere. They're fun to watch, and I'd like to see them do well. But I don't get the rose-coloured glasses perception of them.

2021-03-19T07:55:53+00:00

Yattuzzi

Roar Rookie


If Doggies go down, they won’t make top eight.

2021-03-19T07:26:22+00:00

DTM

Roar Rookie


Should be a good game but I think if we look at last night, we'll see that several Carlton players ran out of puff late in each quarter. The Bulldogs midfield spread will help them with this. I'm tipping Bulldogs by a similar margin - maybe even 5 goals. I see a couple of tough seasons for the Pies.

2021-03-19T05:09:55+00:00

peter chrisp

Guest


Being a Pies fan not sure if i am proud after all the excuses so called "it had to be done" to get rid of 4 of our players. But only time will tell, admittedly i am looking forward to the game tonight. No doubt "pun intended all eyes will be on Treloar. I usually turn on the radio at around 6 o'clock to listen to the so called "experts" on their take before the game begins. How "wood" you be if Treloar turned on a blinder of a game & kicked a couple of goals? In the end i hope he odes well.

2021-03-19T05:09:33+00:00

Don Freo

Roar Rookie


If you can point to the games where Martin was "much better" than Grundy.

2021-03-19T04:48:28+00:00

Tazzie

Guest


Even Bevo has said on more than one occasion that English is still in development stage as a no.1 ruckman, hence the drafting of Martin. Over the next two season when his physical strength and muscle have peaked he will be up there with the very best ruckman in the competition no doubts whatsoever, but at the moment his most dangerous role is 65% forward 35% main ruck.

2021-03-19T04:47:10+00:00

Slane

Guest


Is 'much better' a quantity?

2021-03-19T04:28:18+00:00

Don Freo

Roar Rookie


Boards are usually able to read upcoming fixtures.

2021-03-19T04:26:23+00:00

Don Freo

Roar Rookie


The difference is that Bont always gives his all for the whole game. Dusty-style is to cruise in a forward pocket/flank and put in for 10 minutes a quarter. Bont could play a Dusty-style game but it would cost his side. Dusty could never play a Bont-style game.

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