Coach’s Corner Issue 8: Why are the Reds such good finishers?

By Nicholas Bishop / Expert

Many thanks once again to all those who engaged in the callout for this week’s Coach’s Corner.

What is it about the Reds that have them start slowly but come roaring back in the back end of games?

– Zero_Cool

One of the many frustrating elements of Australian rugby in recent years has been the inability to manage a game in the dying stages – how do teams develop this ability?

– Herr Red

A lot has been said about Liam Wright’s ‘influence’ late in the Reds-Brumbies game… What effect do you think a team’s momentum has on a referee’s decision-making?

– JC

The Queensland Reds are the best finishers in Super Rugby AU. No question about it. They have won the last quarters of their games by a grand total of 95 points to 15 over the seven fixtures played so far.

In four of those – against the Rebels in Round 2, the Force in Round 5, and the Brumbies in Rounds 4 and 8, they have overhauled an opposition lead at the hour mark.

The Brumbies will feel particularly aggrieved, having lost the final quarters by an aggregate of 34-7 after leading both games by more than one score after 60 minutes of play.

One of the main reasons for the Reds’ ability to press the turbo button in the final quarter of the match at the Suncorp was their key substitution of second-rower Ryan Smith for club captain Liam Wright in the 53rd minute. With Angus Scott-Young shifting up alongside Lukhan Salakaia-Loto and Wright joining Harry Wilson and Fraser McReight behind them, Queensland had the luxury of five players who had played extensively in the back row, including two in the number seven jersey.

That gave the Reds a significant advantage in mobility, and the last quarter was the only period of the game in which they succeeded in dominating the points of contact. At the same time, they lost nothing in cohesion at the set-piece, winning all five of their lineout throws and generating the decisive scrum penalty only four minutes before the final whistle.

Let’s look at a couple of sequences where the field coverage of the Reds’ back five forwards was the most influential factor in producing turnovers:

The Brumbies want to shift the ball wide and repeat the success their back-rowers enjoyed in the 15-5m channels at GIO Stadium. But when replacement James Tucker receives the ball in that zone, he is confronted by no fewer than three experts at the post-tackle: Fraser McReight, Liam Wright and Filipo Daugunu. Coverage is also good on the far side with Salakaia-Loto and Scott-Young manning the barricades and Wilson getting up from the previous tackle:

After the powerful counter-ruck led by the twin sevens, there is only going to be one result on the following phase with the back five closing around the ball and McReight and Wright already back on their feet.

The second example occurred in a prime Brumbies scoring scenario close to the Reds’ goal-line:

There is going to be no pushover with Wright breaking through the left side of the blocking wall at 72:12. After that, the Reds’ ability to get two back-rowers on the ball was the deciding factor:

Angus Scott-Young hammers McReight into the breakdown like a nail, and in response to JC’s other question, “about the Fraser McReight turnover. To me, it seems clear that he is not supporting his body weight. How do you see it?”, it looks like McReight is on his feet, on the ball, and supporting his weight.

The turnover had been set up on the play before, with two Brumbies left on the ground and all of the Queenslanders on their feet and in play:

For good measure, Zero_Cool added one more question about the Wallabies’ number seven spot.

“What is your view on Michael Hooper’s captaincy? Is it perhaps time we tried someone new, James O’Connor? And is Hooper even the best seven we have, with McReight in imperious form both last year and continuing this year?”

Short answer: Michael Hooper is the man in possession of the number seven jersey and there is no reason for him to lose it in absentia – but I think Dave Rennie may well be looking for an alternative captain.

Fraser McReight. (Photo by Regi Varghese/Getty Images)

I’ve noticed Australian teams have a semi-common issue that doesn’t seem to afflict Kiwi teams as much – when an attacking player succeeds ‘too much’ through a semi-break or making more ground than expected, our support players always seem surprised and too far behind the play to ensure the success is exploited or even just adequately supported through cleanouts etc. Why is this? What do Kiwi teams do that is different and are they doing this at the expense of something else?

– Chunks

In my experience, New Zealand teams have always been the best at supporting a bust and defending the support channels after conceding a break. It was a feature that was noticeable on the 2014 England tour of New Zealand, where the visitors made as many breaks as the All Blacks but converted far fewer opportunities into tries.

On attack, the main support runner is nearly always the number nine, whose job is to track the ball from ruck to ruck from the inside. He should always be the first port of call and you ignore him at your peril, as last weekend’s game between the Force and the Rebels showed:

Pone Fa’amausili makes a long break down the centre of the field, but he ignores the obvious support of Joe Powell to his left and makes a more difficult pass which hamstrings the momentum.

The best in the game right now is France and Toulouse scrumhalf Antoine Dupont. Dupont’s great engine and acceleration often shoot him clear of the covering defence.

The other keynote of successful support after a break is the need for attackers to stay in the pocket – the space directly behind the ball-carrier – for as long as possible:

First Dupont drops neatly into the slipstream of the player who recovers the loose ball (Vincent Rattez in the red hat), then France number 13 Artur Vincent falls in behind his scrumhalf to receive the scoring offload. That gives the passer the maximum number of options. There is a terrific session on the technical details of support play given by Wayne Smith on the Rugby Site.

Antoine Dupont. (Photo By Brendan Moran/Sportsfile via Getty Images)

Is it time we had something in place for occupying space around the high ball without genuinely contending for it? What would you do to clean this up? Would you want to? Call obstructions for off-the-ball play?

– Kiwiburger

For the side defending a high kick, it is quite permissible for players ahead of the ball to run back towards the point of receipt, provided that they do not deliberately change their line to block out an opponent.

Unfortunately, this aspect of play was not refereed by Nic Berry in the Reds-Brumbies game. There were two flagrant examples in the first half where Brumbies defenders clearly altered their lines in order to block out the Queensland chasers:

In the first instance, Jordan Petaia is shadowed so closely that he has to run across the sideline to find some room – only to be blocked out on the way back by Nic White.

In the second, the two Queensland chasers are quite obviously either bumped or dragged off their line into the receiver by intentional blocks. It is the sort of event which is viewed far more harshly by European referees.

Why is the ‘bloke rolled too far after being tackled’ law being so stringently applied this year? Was there some kind of spate of too much rolling around that triggered it?

– Piru

In short, yes. One of the main planks in the new law interpretations at the tackle was to prevent double movements on the ground by the ball-carrier. When the ball-carrier is allowed to either execute another roll on the deck or place it for a second time, he can effectively offset a defensive player who would otherwise pick up the ball legally:

Under the old protocols, England flanker Tom Curry could roll on the ground before presenting the ball to his scrumhalf. That stops Ardie Savea from making the pilfer, it gives Curry’s cleanout support more impetus, and it leaves three All Black forwards offside and required to retreat for the next phase.

It is no surprise that there is some space for England to move the ball successfully down the right as play continues. I wrote about that in more detail back in June of last year.

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Thanks to all who contributed a question this week, all those that went unanswered are stored on file and may get a response in columns to come!

The Crowd Says:

2021-04-24T05:15:41+00:00

ScottD

Roar Guru


mmmm in hindsight, maybe after the last 3 weeks the Force are the best "finishers" in the SRAu :)

AUTHOR

2021-04-19T04:45:00+00:00

Nicholas Bishop

Expert


Good to hear your voice as always Who? I've dealt with issues surrounding the 'new breakdown' in several articles here and at The Rugby Site recently, so I won't try to raise those ghosts again in a forum reply. It's hard to argue the case for or against Folau without actual examples... Support after a break tends to be different to support before one is made. Players could not drop in behind Folau while they were still in line expecting a more orthodox pass for example. From memory, he did tend to keep the ball rather more than he passed it out wide!

2021-04-19T00:04:54+00:00

Who

Roar Rookie


Hi Nick - hope all is well. I still haven't figured out the timing of these articles... I've three points to raise. First, Reds/Brumbies, 72 minutes, penalty to McReight. I don't see that he has his hands on the ball. I see his left hand on the ground, I see ASY's hands on the deck, but I don't see the ball. The penalty is for not releasing. The ball is under 23, who is (it appears, as best we can see on that singular camera angle - we didn't get a better angle) attempting to place it under his body. I see it as a dominant breakdown to the Reds, but I don't see a hand on the ball (and our vantage point is no different to Berry - he can't have seen a Reds right hand on the ball), so I don't see that the Brumbies should be penalized. It's arguable that McReight and ASY, by having their bodies over 23, are preventing him from placing the ball, and they'd have a better shot at the ball if they allowed him to get the ball back. It's also arguable that the better option in this situation for both players would be to take another step forward and 'own the space', winning a counter ruck rather than a jackal. This ties with what would've been my third point. Rolling. The laws of the game still require that tackled players - not just tacklers - roll away. I understand the issues with players rolling, but can't help but wonder if continuing to roll would be acceptable provided the ball were released. That is, if the ball carrier - say, Brumbies 23 - were allowed to roll off the ball, provided the ball didn't advance with him. To me, advancing the ball off feet is the greatest issue with the older styled rolling in law. I can see the issues you've raised with moving the offside line, but if the tackled player doesn't have the ball, given they're not on their feet, they're not advancing the offside line (which is the ball, and becomes the last foot of the last player in the ruck - which is a person on their feet, not a rolling player). Of course, I have little confidence in WR to rule on such nuance... Such understanding seems to have departed the building many moons ago. What would've been my second point (in order from your list)... I've been calling Australians - particularly Waratahs - running too flat and wide in support for a few years now. In his last season, Israel Folau copped a lot of flak for throwing 'wild' offloads in tackle situations. These were often as the second last player in the line, being tackled by two players, throwing passes to his winger in open space. However, the winger was generally running flat with Folau before he was tackled. Which meant they were ahead of him as he fell forward in the tackle. And which meant there was no one behind to clean over. Folau copped heaps, but to my eye, the issue was always with the support players, not holding sufficient depth, and not being anywhere near close enough to allow options for the ball carrier. We seem to have completely lost the concept of (as you elegantly put it) slipstreaming. Where you can receive a pass before contact, but more importantly, you can secure a breakdown or (ideally) receive a pop pass off the deck. I don't understand why we've lost it, but with how consistently our support players run far too wide and flat, I can't help but feel it's coached. Someone's seen that there's often space out there, "If only we could get the ball there." Without thinking about the significant risks created by only looking for that attacking opportunity without covering the need for security at a prospective breakdown.

AUTHOR

2021-04-18T05:03:57+00:00

Nicholas Bishop

Expert


Well sometimes I did go on my bike - I'll give you that :stoked:

AUTHOR

2021-04-18T05:02:59+00:00

Nicholas Bishop

Expert


We'll just have to wait and see what DR has in mind in 2021!

2021-04-18T02:22:09+00:00

FatOldHalfback

Roar Rookie


I agree I think AAA starting and TT finishing is the best balance. TT seems to get a bit over eager when he starts and his scrummaging is best when the opposition are a little depowered by replacements. Amazing to think the Wallys have such options at TH

2021-04-18T00:00:13+00:00

Harty

Roar Rookie


And it was uphill both ways as well NB :laughing:

2021-04-17T14:03:14+00:00

Mungbean74

Roar Rookie


Mmm, I think that boat has sailed! The positive attitude James O’Connor and the quite amazing way of selling his leadership and openness in his interviews has O’Connor as my pick. I still think Hooper should be in the match day 23 though.

AUTHOR

2021-04-17T05:01:59+00:00

Nicholas Bishop

Expert


It will be interesting to see what changes have occurred with Hooper spending so much time in the company of Hansen and Read, maybe they have given him some captaincy tips!

AUTHOR

2021-04-17T05:00:12+00:00

Nicholas Bishop

Expert


It would need a lot of faith for DR to play them both together, even just for the last 20 JC. Liam prob a better all around B/R bencher... What happens if FMR is on the bench and Wilson goes off early with an injury?

AUTHOR

2021-04-17T04:56:20+00:00

Nicholas Bishop

Expert


The All Blacks at their best were built on that kind of trust Waxy, and it tends to last for much longer than the more casual onlooker thinks it should. I know which side of the fence I'm on. :thumbup:

2021-04-17T02:23:26+00:00

AllHailKingLatho

Roar Rookie


Wouldn't be surprised if Twiggy trumped up some money to bring McMahon back from Japan as a big signing

2021-04-17T02:21:46+00:00

soapit

Roar Guru


i see that as a separate issue. we're also pretty limited in how much we can discuss hooper so i wont address that part.

2021-04-17T02:18:13+00:00

JC

Roar Rookie


If you’d said better game-management rather than better captaincy, I’d agree with you, soapit. Our game-managers are the ones who need to stand up for the Wallabies. Hooper can’t do it all.

2021-04-17T01:52:51+00:00

soapit

Roar Guru


yeah i think those guys were very new and we had a new 10 inside also for that game. definitely think paisami has plenty of experience now. im not saying every time we lose is because of the captin to be clear. but there are games we have lost which we likely wouldnt have with better captaincy imo. likelwise there are games the reds would have lost recently with worse captancy

2021-04-17T01:33:09+00:00

JC

Roar Rookie


Have to disagree with you on To’omua too. Wallabies really missed his game management after he was injured in Bled 2 last year. May be different now with Simone and Paisami more experienced but impossible to judge until we see To’omua at 12. Do agree that good captaincy is important but winning doesn’t necessarily indicate good captaincy just as losing isn’t a sign of poor captaincy. O’Connor looks to have done a stellar job as interim captain for the Reds, but you’d hope he’d continue to manage games just as well with Wright as captain. I guess we’ll see!

2021-04-17T00:25:09+00:00

soapit

Roar Guru


disagree. you can easily justify picking someone based on experience. look at toomua, better 12’s around but seems a shoe in largely because he is experienced. . you lose matches because of poor captaincy as much as an individuals poor play, its important to have someone capable on the day. if youre really concerned about having having a significantly worse player in there just drop the captain when that happens and give it to someone else. no point costing us now for something that might happen . i also dont necessarily think hooper will hold his spot on form into the wc and is therefore basically in the same boat as joc. except that he is a negative impact with his captaincy and joc so far has been a positive.

2021-04-16T22:39:25+00:00

Mungbean74

Roar Rookie


Cheers Nic, nice work! One thing on Hooper, who’s saying he won’t come back from Japan stronger and wiser after learning another style of rugby. Maybe a bit more chilled and appreciative and happy to be back in Auz too after going through the COVID life in Japan these past few years. In saying that, I hope they name O’Connor as captain, play McReight at 7, and have Hooper as the super sub. Liam Right is an interesting one for me, born captain but is he good enough to be in the Wallabies this year. Reds should have found a way to have tried Petaia at FB. I guess there is time next year but it needs to be tried for the sake of our national team.

2021-04-16T22:36:21+00:00

JC

Roar Rookie


Uncomfortable position for the captain too, if he knows he’s not the best in his position. Unless he makes the team far better because of his presence, it’s best to stick with the convention of the captain being one of those certain to hold their spot on ability and form, like Hooper.

2021-04-16T22:08:05+00:00

soapit

Roar Guru


i think in some occasions worth factoring in without disregarding form totally selections rarely clear cut on form anyway so i dont think it'd be a problem as long as you didnt push it too far

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