The unknown candidate who should take charge of the Pies

By O M / Roar Rookie

I’m not going to pretend to have the same depth or breadth of knowledge of Collingwood and their history and culture as such Roar luminaries in Les Zig and Peter the Scribe.

That’s not what this article is about. Rather, this article is more of a snapshot look at the current short list of candidates for the vacant Collingwood senior coaching position recently vacated by Nathan Buckley, one of the most popular favourite sons of the famous back and white club, and an unashamed promotion of the man I believe should be awarded the position, Adam Kingsley.

Most of you will be aware of my passionate support of possibly the Pies’ archest (is that a word?) enemy of all, the team from down the road who wear the yellow and black.

So why my interest in this subject? Because it’s Collingwood of course, so people will read for that reason alone, and my interest has been piqued by the short-listing of Adam Kingsley, Don Pyke, Brad Scott and Michael Voss.

Pyke, Voss and Scott are all known quantities and each of them in some way is damaged goods. There is also the lingering question of how badly they want the role anyway?

Pyke, a premiership player at the Eagles, employed an attacking style as a coach and took the Crows to the last day in September in 2017, only falling at the last hurdle to a Richmond team imbued at the time with possibly unstoppable momentum.

Pyke’s attacking coaching style may be well suited to the game as it stands in 2021 but what cannot be ignored about Pyke is the horrible misjudgement he made in sanctioning the itinerary and format of the now infamous 2018 Adelaide Crows pre-season camp that almost certainly led to the unravelling and destruction of a possible premiership-winning team.

Can that or even should that lack of judgement be overlooked by Paul Licuria and Graham Wright when deciding on the new coach?

(Photo by Daniel Carson/AFL Media/Getty Images)

Brad Scott is no stranger to Collingwood having previously served there as an assistant coach to Mick Malthouse. He is, of course, a multiple premiership winner as a player and his record is solid as a coach of North Melbourne, taking the Kangas to, but ultimately losing, multiple preliminary finals.

With frustrating similarity to Buckley, the ultimate prize, a premiership, has so far eluded him in his ten years as a coach. Will Licuria and Wright see his time away from the pressure cooker environment of senior AFL coaching and his roles with the AFL as having given him a chance to refresh, retool and reinvent himself as a senior coach of the mighty Magpies?

Voss, the multiple premiership-winning Brownlow medalist and one of the AFL GOATs is possibly the most intriguing of the three recycled coaches. He failed dismally at his first attempt as senior coach but made the mistake of moving straight in a senior role at the club he was a favourite son at instead of taking the sensible approach of doing an apprenticeship initially at another club.

Voss’ ego has always been his biggest flaw and this is what led him to his fateful decision to coach the Lions when he did. But to Voss’ credit he has now put his head down, done the hard work as assistant under Ken Hinkley at the Power and looks as though he may now have the temperament, the experience and the skills to this time succeed as a senior coach.

Michael Voss couldn’t convert his prowess as a player into being a great head coach at his first attempt. (Ryan Pierse/Getty Images)

From the known to now the relatively unknown candidate in Adam Kingsley.

Originally from the Eastern Ranges under-18s, he played for the Bombers’ reserves before being recruited by Port Adelaide with pick 37 in the 1996 national draft and was a member of the newly introduced Port Power team’s first AFL game they played in 1997.

He had a successful playing career, playing 170 games across ten seasons. He was known as a consistent defender/midfielder, and was a member of the 2004 Power premiership team, retiring in 2006 after injuring his ACL in Round 22 of that season.

He became an assistant coach at Port Adelaide in 2007 under Mark Williams and held that role until the end of the 2010 season before taking up the position of assistant coach at St Kilda under coach Ross Lyon, spending eight seasons through what were very challenging times for the Saints, working mainly with the midfield group.

In 2019, in what was a fortuitous move, Kingsley took up an assistant coach position at the Tigers under his old premiership mate Damien Hardwick. He considered running for the vacant Adelaide coaching job at the end of 2019, a role coincidently he had lost out on to Don Pyke in 2016, but withdrew from the process, deciding instead to continue on at Tigerland in 2020 and further develop his coaching skills.

His initial appointment at Richmond was slightly controversial at the time among the faithful due to the lack of success at St Kilda during his tenure there and he was replacing the highly regarded Ben Rutten in a successful coaching group at a club at the absolute peak of their powers.

(Photo by Michael Willson/AFL Photos via Getty Images)

Kingsley presided as midfield/stoppage coach at the Tigers for the 2019 and 2020 seasons and the rest as they say is history. You could use the Chris Scott analogy here and suggest that Kingsley just inherited a premiership-winning midfield but he has earned high praise for the work he has done at Tigerland.

Especially notable was the amazing job he did, in conjunction with Andrew McQualter, in flipping the script and transforming the Tigers from a turnover/back-half team into the clearance beast they became in the 2020 finals series, culminating in Richmond’s third premiership in four years.

Hardwick said of him recently when asked about Kingsley in relation to the Collingwood job: “Wonderful coaches are wonderful coaches. I just think he is a wonderful coach. He has a great relationship with his players, a great understanding of the game, and his worst day will be his first day. He will get better every time.”

In addition to the experience gained from his previous playing and coaching appointments, Kingsley graduated from the AFL’s prestigious level four coaching program in 2017.

Combine that with the little known fact that in 2006, Kingsley won Australia’s Brainiest Footballer on the Network Ten quiz show special, donating the $20,000 that he won to the McGuinness-McDermott Foundation (run by former Adelaide footballers Tony McGuinness and Chris McDermott).

That gives Kingsley the pedigree and impetus to take the big leap, actually, the giant leap into the echelons of senior AFL coaches.

Collingwood have had a reputation throughout their recent history of fully supporting their senior coaches and giving them the time, scope and resources to be their very best and every possible chance of succeeding.

The biggest thing that Adam Kingsley has in his favour is that he is young by AFL coaching standards, he is lean and he is hungry for success and combined with the attributes outlined, that will mean he will succeed in the jungles that is AFL senior coaching.

Paul Licuria and Graham Wright, Kingsley is your man.

The Crowd Says:

2022-09-22T08:05:14+00:00

1dawg

Roar Rookie


Good call :stoked: :thumbup:

2021-11-21T07:18:24+00:00

Jordan

Guest


Fantastic article! :laughing:

2021-08-02T08:17:45+00:00

Donmac

Roar Rookie


The Magpies could do far worse than appointing Robert Harvey to be their senior coach.

AUTHOR

2021-07-29T01:08:55+00:00

O M

Roar Rookie


Good points Thom. You could almost argue that the Pies moved on Buckley 12 months too soon if they had their sights in Clarko?

2021-07-29T00:55:59+00:00

Thom Roker

Roar Guru


Brave of you to go early and with the unfancied candidate. Something about Voss to the Pies stinks to me, but it is all about timing, isn't it? This year's coaching merry-go-round might only have one seat, so we'll soon see who steps up. It's 2023 that makes you wonder how many sacking will occur. Clarko's gone already, while the Crows, Kangaroos, Suns and Blues will have the magnifying glass on their coaches (if not before), with 3 to 6 coaches potentially being replaced. I could see Voss sticking with Port until either the Suns job comes up or he has a chance to succeed Hinkley. You probably have a point about Voss' perceived ego in Victoria, where he could get chewed up and spat straight back out.

AUTHOR

2021-07-28T22:06:27+00:00

O M

Roar Rookie


Thanks Thom. I probably should have dug a little deeper on Voss but I was looking to be more expansive with Kingsley. It will be interesting to see which way the Pies go as they have a good selection of “recycled” and “up and coming” Coaches to choose from.

2021-07-28T14:35:24+00:00

Thom Roker

Roar Guru


This is a good article, but you've misjudged Vossy terribly. He finished playing in 2006 and only became coach in 2009. In between, he coached the AIS Academy and toured with them to South Africa in 2007 and was slated to become the inaugural GC17 coach. West Coast saw his potential and signed him as an assistant coach who they knew had ambition. However, it was Leigh Matthews himself who made the power play by offering to resign if the Lions gave the job to Voss. I've followed Michael Voss since he was a junior. The guy has his ego well in check and always had maturity well beyond his years. Even when he was winning everything in sight as a teenager and was in the newspapers and on TV he was humble and just stoked to be there. It interests me that opposition fans might have thought he was this arrogant show off or that his coaching would be construed as egotistical because he had none of that. James Hird and Nathan Buckley are the guys with egos. Michael Voss is the bloke who can keep his well in check.

AUTHOR

2021-07-27T02:00:38+00:00

O M

Roar Rookie


Thanks Dingo. You make a valid point regarding Voss. The lions were genuinely starting to improve under his guidance and I found the timing of his sacking a little surprising. Outside of Kingsley, I feel Scott is probably the most likely….that is if he doesn’t end up in SHocking’s vacant job!

2021-07-27T01:26:35+00:00

DingoGray

Roar Guru


Great write up OM- Looking at the calibre of coaches available, Pies definitely don't need to rush a decision. Obviously Voss- is one close to me- obviously had a horrible start to his coaching career- with the Fevola debacle. But at the time the Lions did sack him- he well and truly had the Lions improving. Leppa than took that group to bottom of the Ladder. I still believe Voss was sacked because Lions' management thought they had Roos as a done deal. As for other candidates, I'd also like to see what Brad Scott could do with bit more support? Let's face it, Nth were extremely "poor- broke" when he was there. So Football department spending was very low compared to other Clubs- yet Scott found away to get a Nth team who really didn't have a superstar available to him. I have no doubt in time Kingsley going to get his chance. Not sure right now would be that time. You wonder whether he would be prepared to sit as number 2 until Dimma is done?

2021-07-26T10:13:19+00:00

Dusty does Danger

Roar Rookie


Good write up Obsessed. Toss up for the job, a number of candies there.

2021-07-26T09:34:05+00:00

Snoop

Roar Rookie


Fantastic article! Impressive from a Roar Rookie. Looking forward to the next one.

2021-07-25T23:09:20+00:00

Milo

Roar Rookie


Yep why not Kingsley. Easily the best coach at Punt Road right now. God knows what we'd be left with to carry Hardwick tho. Probably not the smartest decision in hindsight to re-sign Hardwick until the end of 2024 at the beginning of this season.

2021-07-24T19:39:48+00:00

Chris

Guest


Pete, Nathan left to avoid the wooden spoon as I had intimated a few weeks ago. Now, the stage is set for the Wooden spoon decider in Round 21 between Collingwood and Hawthorn .Unless Hawthorn tank it, I would say they are going to beat us. This reminds me of 1976 all over again. Murray Weideman, a favourite son, leading the team to the glorious wooden spoon amid management turmoil. Now, bring in Mark Williams to do a Tom Hafey!

2021-07-24T07:48:08+00:00

RT

Roar Rookie


There's media talk he will get it.

AUTHOR

2021-07-24T07:41:16+00:00

O M

Roar Rookie


Hadn't considered that RT.....is Brad in the running for SHocking's old job?

2021-07-24T04:03:59+00:00

Chris

Guest


The least troublesome solution would be to bring in Mark Williams for the next three years as either senior coach or as Harvey's right hand man. Perhaps a succession plan of that kind would work much better. Bring in a hardened professional to guide the faint hearted. Harvey has got this injury riddled outfit trying hard and playing half-decent football. Why take risks that could prove devastating and catastrophic. We need stability and experience. Williams and Harvey would work. The contrasting styles would be a yin yang solution.

AUTHOR

2021-07-24T03:03:56+00:00

O M

Roar Rookie


You make some good points Nicko regarding Parkin's beliefs on Coaching since, after all, Parko is pretty much the recognized Guru of Coaching. I think there's a chance the Pies may go for a "first timer", after all Buckley and Clarko both were although selfishly, I hope he stays at Tigerland for another year or two.

2021-07-24T02:36:56+00:00

Nick Maguire

Roar Rookie


OM, nicely argued and very persuasive. I'm a Richmond member and we have (as good programmes tend to do) provided some great assistants with a resume boost. However, David Parkin has a belief that assistant coaches should go and have complete control of a club, VFL, Metro district, country league doesn't matter, as a head coach before they become an AFL Senior Coach. He reasons they need to have the experience of being where the buck stops, managing the expectations of and relationships with boards, assistant coaches, medical staff, media, members etc. Even at say an Ovens and Murray club the coach has a lot of demands and pressure and they are run very professionally. I think that has a lot of merit. It's a big ask to go direct from responsibility for a cog in the wheel to running the whole machine. I don't think Collingwood will go with a first timer, the pressure in that job would be next level. Cheers

2021-07-24T02:15:35+00:00

fabian gulino

Roar Rookie


Adam Kingsley great choice for the magpies.

2021-07-24T01:26:06+00:00

Chanon

Roar Rookie


Great article obsessed keep up the good work :thumbup: I reckon Harvey will keep the job he just needs some well drilled assistant’s to help out, the young kids are getting senior games, continuity is the key!

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