'Missing the minor premiership might be the least of their worries': Six talking points from AFL Round 19

By Liam Salter / Roar Guru

A milestone-heavy weekend of footy kept the ladder in limbo. Here are six talking points.

The Demons experience a new feeling: losing to a top eight side

It’s been well documented that Melbourne’s struggle this year was ceding games to sides they simply – by virtue of ladder position – should not be losing to.

As I discussed last week, the club had lost four games up until this round, with that quartet of defeats all coming against teams outside of the eight.

That was a blessing and a curse headed into Saturday night’s clash, permitting them a right to be simultaneously confident against a Bulldogs outfit they’d beaten already this season but nervous their draw with the Hawks had exposed weaknesses in their form.

Saturday night’s defeat was not a loss that’ll result in significant concern, but it will increase the pressure on the Dees. Despite never leading, they still at times displayed the aggression and skill they have become known for. But the Dogs – who were missing Adam Treloar and Josh Dunkley – had all the answers, all but putting the game to bed before half time.

The Doggies exacerbated the scoring problems of the Demons, who have now failed to kick more than ten goals in four of their previous six matches and haven’t kicked more goals than behinds since Round 12. The Dees also were dominated in the clutches; Max Gawn’s ruck ascendency made irrelevant by an uncharacteristically disappointing midfield effort.

The Demons have a super tricky draw ahead of them: the Suns, Eagles and Crows are next, before an encounter with Geelong. None are anywhere close to certain, which means that – with the Cats and Bulldogs jumping them on the ladder – the minor premiership being up in the air might soon be the least of their worries.

A classic eight-point game sees a Giant result make the race for the eight intriguing

It’s been a long while since the league has fixtured a game as significant in terms of the make-up of the top eight as last night’s Essendon vs GWS encounter.

The Bombers began the round in the eight and fortuitously remained there courtesy of losses to the Saints, Dockers and Tigers. This meant that by the bounce, the only team that could knock them out and duly replace them in finals contention was the Giants themselves. Something which, frustratingly for Bombers fans, happened.

History dictated that it was going to be a close one, and it was looking that way until Brent Daniel’s major put the result beyond reach for the Dons – thus cementing the eighth position switch-a-roo.

Essendon’s early strength dissipated as quickly as their spot in the eight and means they have once again found themselves in the chasing pack. It’s a chasing pack that makes the make-up of one spot (assuming that the Eagles’ latest wins have made them safe in the eight, at seventh) intense. There are four clubs on 32 points but, with Freo all but done for the season, that really makes it a race of three: Richmond, St Kilda and the Bombers themselves.

It’s the Tigers who have the easiest run home, with a Round 22 against the Giants bound to be decisive for both clubs – provided the Giants survive challenging games against the Cats and Port before then. The Saints, too, have to face the Cats, while Essendon may yet rue this weekend’s loss as they play Sydney and the Dogs before an ‘easy’ fortnight to finish up.

The Q-Clash has a ridiculous variance between the sides (and halves)

How one game can look so different either side of half time.

For the first half, you had the Suns looking as good as they have looked this year. They were ferocious, able to frustrate the Lions into the uncharacteristic errors and, really, were helped by the Lions looking awful in front of goal and in defence. There had not been much talk of an upset in this clash, but the game was becoming the pinnacle of a rare story for Gold Coast: strong post-bye form encapsulating the development and maturity of this team.

(Photo by Albert Perez/Getty Images)

And then the façade collapsed. It was emblematic of the gulf between these two clubs, with the Lions able to gain strength around the ground and eventually overrun the Suns.

It turned a would-be upset into a business-as-usual win. The Lions would welcome the return of form they desperately needed – even if it was only for a half of footy – but being a game behind top four, they cannot afford any more slip ups.

For the Suns, they would be proud of their early effort; but have an imposing run home – Melbourne, Carlton, Essendon and Sydney. Oof.

A round of milestones, with mixed results

There had never been a round in VFL/AFL history before that saw players celebrate a 350th game, a 300th game, a 200th game, a 150th game and a 100th game in the same round. This round had all of those, with varying levels of success for the milestone men.

The biggest of those was Freo stalwart David Mundy, who celebrated 350 games in the league – and with the club – against Sydney yesterday. Mundy’s game was typically Mundy-esque even in adversity, with a memorable first term major a highlight. The Dockers failed to win, but the club’s elder statesman – who signed a contract extension this week – showed why he’s still one of the best.

More successful yet less visible by essence of no crowds, Travis Boak played an integral parts in his side’s win over the weekend. The past ten players to reach 300 games have won their milestone clashes.

Even for those with lesser milestones, Round 19 was one to remember. Hugh McCluggage celebrating 100 games with a slick performance for Brisbane, Jeremy McGovern intriguingly performed well in the ruck at times for his 150th, Josh Kelly jumped into the eight for his 150th clash and Alex Sexton… well, the less said about his side’s performance the better.

The Blues blow it, big time

The rollercoaster that the Blues have put me through during the last few weeks has been ridiculous. I rather infamously prophesised that the club would not win another game after they flopped badly against the Eagles in Round 14 but, up until Saturday’s clash with North Melbourne, they’d gone 3-1 since that column was published.

The Blues had the form, the skills and – to an extent – the motivation behind them to be able to beat the Kangaroos, but it was disappointing to see them instead produce a horrid performance that will rightfully unleash criticism.

(Photo by Michael Willson/AFL Photos via Getty Images)

There was no area of their game that wasn’t bested by the strong Kangas – defensively, they struggled against the likes of Tarryn Thomas and Nick Larkey; in the guts, not even the superb form of Sam Walsh could stem the bleeding; and up forward, with a toe ailment robbing us of a McKay duel, the Blues’ forward power was largely left to Patrick Cripps and the improved-out-of-sight Matthew Kennedy.

It is not a massive sample size but did appear as so the Blues could – bizarrely – be overtaken in terms of rebuilding sooner than later by a club the footy world had written off only weeks ago.

North Melbourne’s resurgence makes the race for the wooden spoon exciting

If there was one thing better than the Kangaroos’ fantastic win on Saturday afternoon, it was probably Adelaide’s more mundane victory a few hours later. That win – as insignificant as it may seem, given both the Crows’ and Hawks’ ladder positioning – means wonders for North, coupling with their win over the Blues: it means the Hawks draw level with North in the race for the wooden spoon.

That’s important if you glance over their upcoming fixtures and add in two more sides that have also joined the not-so-coveted race: the Pies (only two points above the bottom duo) and the Crows, who sit just a game above. The Kangaroos, on current form, would be more than a chance in at least two of their remaining clashes – Richmond and Adelaide – while Hawthorn are only really a proper chance against Collingwood in a fortnight.

In fact, that clash could be a key one in the race for the wooden spoon, given the Magpies have a rough finish to the end of the season themselves.

Call me a weirdo, but the action at the bottom of the ladder can be oddly exciting, and I’m keen for it.

Everybody gets a turn

Adelaide Crows – Their first win since Round 16 and, barring disaster, they should be safe from garnering a second consecutive wooden spoon.

Brisbane Lions – Hawthorn, Freo, Collingwood, West Coast. Theoretically sounds easy, but in the hunt for top four, none will be as simple as they seem.

Carlton – There’s a fun conspiracy theory – certainly not as insidious as others from this weekend – I’ve seen in some circles that Harry and Ben McKay are the same person. Make of that what you will.

Collingwood – They’re simultaneously in the ‘race’ for the wooden spoon and can also play finals spoilers: games against the Eagles, Brisbane and Essendon provide plenty of opportunity for frustrating the dreams of those sides.

Essendon – We were robbed of the close Bombers-Giants match-up neutrals wanted, instead getting the return of the Bombers of old (choking an important clash). Boo!

Fremantle – No Nat Fyfe and probably no Michael Walters for the remainder of the season. Freo’s initially promising finals chances are purely mathematical.

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Geelong Cats – He was to fulfil the proper milestone trend this week with his 250th game, but Shaun Higgins’ injury derailed that plan. If he’s fit and selected, it’ll be kind of special to see him reach that milestone against one of his former sides in the Kangas next week.

Gold Coast Suns – It would have been nice to see them pinch that one. The simple fact there was no equivalence between the first and second halves a worry.

GWS Giants – There’s commentators curse, and then there’s columnist course. I’ve repeatedly criticised Leon Cameron’s tenure at the Giants of late, but they’re in the eight with four rounds to go. There might be life in him yet.

Hawthorn – Screw it: I’m going to lock them in for the wooden spoon. Next year will be quite a challenge for Alastair Clarkson in his final season.

Melbourne – It is insane that they are not even a lock for top four, which shows how much they are going to rue their losses against Adelaide, Collingwood and co.

North Melbourne – Pro for next week: it’s in Tassie. Con: it’s against Geelong.

Port Adelaide – Provided Adelaide’s lockdown is lifted, the Power should be playing at home next weekend. But don’t count on any crowds.

Richmond – Time of death on Richmond’s 2021 season hasn’t been called yet, but they’re flatlining.

St Kilda – Two close losses in as many weeks when they’re so close to finals is pretty quintessential St Kilda.

Sydney Swans – Buddy’s all but set for a few weeks on the sidelines after an elbow to Luke Ryan’s head, but that’s about the only dampener of Sunday’s strong win.

West Coast Eagles – Every win counts, and they remain a chance for finals.

Western Bulldogs – Cody Weightmann’s mark. That’s it. That’s the talking point.

The Crowd Says:

2021-07-29T10:38:44+00:00

Jake Ramzy


History has shown us that in Finals the teams with the more dangerous goal scoring options are always going to beat sides that rely on defensive structure.

2021-07-28T20:24:18+00:00

Peter the Scribe

Roar Guru


Taylor Adams is our next captain Chris. I like the romance of Mark Williams coming back to the Pies but feel he is a long shot. Kingsley, Pyke and Brad Scott lead the race I’m hearing.

2021-07-28T11:51:37+00:00

Chris

Guest


Mark Williams for coach and Brody Grundy for captain. Surely, that would inspire and bring fans back the the grounds and get the turnstiles ticking. The crowd has always been our 19th man and always should be!

2021-07-28T10:20:21+00:00

Brendon the 1st

Roar Rookie


Charlie made him look like a little boy last time they played. I’d take all the Geelong defence before Keath, Mcgovern, Rampe, Alir, May, Lever, Andrews, Collins all before him, hell I’d take my man Mckenzie before him. He’s a B’Grader that looks alright because his midfield protects him, but hey, hopefully they put him on Charles again in round 23.

2021-07-28T08:32:54+00:00

Super

Roar Rookie


No, he's definitely in the conversation. Leading the league's most miserly defence and he rarely gets beaten.

2021-07-27T07:14:39+00:00

Don Freo

Roar Rookie


It is not a regular occurrence. This season is what you measure him by. I'm not sure if you're aware but in his first 3 years, there was a 4 times All Australian keeping him out. Your measuring stick is broken.

2021-07-27T06:51:09+00:00

Jonboy

Roar Rookie


Exactly my point he went off injured again regular occurrence for him.Debuted in 2017. This is his 5th year for only 58 games he has missed multiple games due to injury. A highly talented player who needs to shed more kg to prevent leg issues and spend more time on the park.

2021-07-27T05:32:52+00:00

AdamDilligafThompson

Roar Rookie


lmfao that we do

2021-07-27T04:27:47+00:00

Don Freo

Roar Rookie


Precedent has never been allowed at the tribunal. I expect Franklin's appeal to end up increasing his penalty.

2021-07-27T04:24:25+00:00

Don Freo

Roar Rookie


The week before he was injured. That's why he went off. He has shed stacks of kgs, is very fit and outruns almost all ruckmen, including NicNat, Goldstein and Grundy. Gawn probably still has him covered. You are way off with this one.

2021-07-27T04:17:51+00:00

Brendon the 1st

Roar Rookie


Lucky we have 27 half back flankers on the list :laughing:

2021-07-27T03:43:49+00:00

AdamDilligafThompson

Roar Rookie


Same man, they did a scratch match last week, thats how laxhie hurt himself and is back in for surgery on his other ankle now. Facepalm.lol.

2021-07-27T03:24:37+00:00

Brent

Guest


I completely agree that the grading is wrong and he acted deliberately or, at best, recklessly. However, in terms of precedent, I don't think that it is really any different to the Shuey incident or a number of others earlier in the year which were graded as accidental. I just saw that the Swans are appealing, and while I would love for Bud to be running around against the Bombers I hope that he doesn't get off...surely it isn't that hard to not throw elbows around recklessly or deliberately. I'm disappointed in the big man, but probably more disappointed in the AFL for not doing more about identical acts earlier in the year. FWIW, I think he will get off...not because he is a protected species, but because the AFL have said all year that it is ok to throw your elbows around.

2021-07-27T03:23:13+00:00

Brendon the 1st

Roar Rookie


Potential AA? Let's not get carried away, nowhere near it

2021-07-27T03:15:49+00:00

Brendon the 1st

Roar Rookie


With his history and our ladder position, I'd be building him very slowly, maybe two weeks in the SANFL, limited minutes.

2021-07-27T03:10:42+00:00

Jonboy

Roar Rookie


The week before he left the ground early third quarter and did not return and was on crutches after the game. This has been ongoing in his career and i stand by my statement that he could become a far better player if he shed a few kg.He clearly is not fit despite showing good form.

2021-07-27T03:08:50+00:00

ScottyJ

Roar Rookie


Yep agree Cerra is going. Play him in the middle to boost his worth even more. Tucker has played well on the wing for us. True he hasnt been playing well since his return from injury. Dont think halfback is for him. Ideally Cerra and our 2nd rounder for their 1st and a 3rd. We take Horne. A freo supporter with that pick. Trade our 1st for multiple later picks to nab Williams Amiss and or RVP to strengthen our kpf stocks. Hopefully Motlop as well who is in our academy.

2021-07-27T03:02:11+00:00

AdamDilligafThompson

Roar Rookie


Just read before fantasia is available this week although you'd think he'd come back through the sanfl, doh just as i wrote that I remembered there is no sanfl this weekend.lol. makes things interesting.lol.

2021-07-27T02:41:09+00:00

Don Freo

Roar Rookie


The other error you make is this fantasy that he has extended periods off the ground. He spent 85% on the ground on Sunday. It's good to see you finally concede his quality after constantly denigrating him.

2021-07-27T02:36:56+00:00

Don Freo

Roar Rookie


He has explained this many times when asked. He has a small bandage on his knee. The bigger bandage is to keep his shin pad in place so that it doesn't slip to the side. Shin pads are lightweight.

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