Dumb kicks, rough edges and a New Zealand grand final? NRL Round 21 talking points

By AJ Mithen / Expert

Only four games are left in the regular season, and thankfully it looks like they’ll be able to have crowds in attendance.

Before we move on though, let’s look back at the main talking points from Round 21 of the NRL.

Cronulla not taking the two was okay, but kicking on tackle two was horrible
In the aftermath of a flaccid 16-18 loss to New Zealand on Saturday, interim Sharks coach Josh Hannay took responsibility for Cronulla going for a try instead of kicking a penalty goal to tie the game at 18 in the 74th minute.

The kick seems the no-brainer call, but New Zealand were shot to pieces and had 12 on the field after recognised genius Kane Evans was put in the sin bin for the second time. A half-competent catch-and-pass series to either wing, and the Sharks were in, likely winners and back in the final eight.

So it boggles the mind Connor Tracey thought it was wise to put the ball onto foot on tackle two and turn over possession cheaply. If Hannay wasn’t already a caretaker, it was truly a coach-killing play.

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“I just backed our guys”, Hannay said later.

“Unfortunately, on the back of backing our guys, kicking it on tackle two was not what I was expecting or what we needed. I’ll cop whatever comes my way for making that decision.

“But I’d probably make the same decision again. I thought New Zealand were out on their feet, we had a man over. I just thought it was the right decision at the time to back our men to score a try.”

It was the right call to try and win a game, just followed by an appalling lack of footy nous.

Finally, a ruck penalty gets the bin
After years of threats, finally we saw a player sin-binned for a professional foul slowing down the ruck! And it had to be a Roosters player, keeping them at the top of the poor discipline ladder.

Jared Waerea-Hargreaves was the unlucky one pinged. I say unlucky because multiple set restarts and deliberately slowed rucks happen dozens of times over a weekend of rugby league, now all of a sudden it’s worth time on the pine.

For the record, I loved it. Cynical play like that drives fans crazy and should be whacked as hard as possible. Roosters coach Trent Robinson might have been a but more sarcastic about it, but he shared the sentiment post game when he said he hoped this was now the norm.

Think how good the game could be if this was the norm. It would clean things up right away. But just as we’ve seen over and over and over, JWH’s time in the bin will be the exception rather than the rule.

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The Roosters blew a huge chance
Sin-binnings aside, a Matt Burton masterclass and a 20-6 lead early in the second half looked to have set Penrith up for a comfortable night at the office against the Roosters. But like champion clubs do, the men from Bondi willed themselves back into contention and really should have taken the game.

After all that hard work to get the play back on level terms, they fumbled it away. Adam Keighran’s goal kicking was askew with one from three and he made a crucial error with the line at their mercy.

Uncharacteristic attempts at offloads early in the tackle count turned the ball over. Daniel Tupou had a shocker of a last 15 minutes after scoring the try to make it a six-point game.

Penrith offered the game on a platter with late penalties and tiring defence, but the Roosters politely refused and the Panthers were able to scrape across the line.

Manly’s top-four hopes took a knock
Des Hasler’s men took the game up to the Storm as best they could before coming up just a touch short, 28-18. Although Manly couldn’t get the job done, Hasler remains the only long-term NRL coach with a winning record against Craig Bellamy, 17-15.

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It’s fair to say the level of effort from Manly outweighed Melbourne’s, who with four games left are secure in the top four and more than likely top two. The Sea Eagles are stalking a double chance and a win would have seen them into the top quarter of the table.

Not all is lost for them though, with the Roosters barely holding on and the Eels in free fall. A win against Parramatta on Saturday night is the first step, then it’s in their own hands to make the most of a soft run pitting them against Canberra, Canterbury and North Queensland.

Taumololo’s on edge
There’s been many a question asked this season about the use of 2016 Dally M medallist Jason Taumalolo by new Cowboys coach Todd Payten.

Payten playing Taumalolo on the left edge rather than lock was the talk of the Cowboys versus Titans game, and while people were lining up to take pot shots, his ability to do much was surely hindered by the Gold Coast’s early domination of possession.

I’m not sure how he can really be accused of being a flop in the position with so few chances, but he defended well enough and made the most of the limited ball he saw.

After the game Payten said he would persist with the move. He clearly has a plan for the team, but in a results-first industry folks will be expecting to see more green shoots sooner rather than later.

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After Round 1, Payten baked Taumalolo for defensive efforts. He’s on the record saying he’s deliberately limiting Taumalolo’s minutes to keep him fresh, although he knocked out a full 80 on Sunday.

After that bake, Taumalolo said this of Payten: “Toddy challenged me in that Round 1 press conference and I thought that was quite refreshing to be honest.

“It makes me accountable but everyone else as a team, and when you have that relationship with a coach it can only be a good thing.

“I think a lot of the boys have put a lot of faith and confidence in Toddy and backed his game plan. That’s the reason we’re half going all right.”

With six years to go on his decade-long deal in Townsville, I wonder if he’s still thinking that way?

Would an NRL grand final actually fill a Kiwi stadium?
Please welcome the latest on the list of possible places to host the NRL grand final – New Zealand!

Reports came out over the weekend NRL CEO Andrew Abdo was so enamoured with the full house of 47,000 fans at Auckland’s Eden Park for the first Bledisloe Cup rugby union match, he and the NRL are daring to dream about holding the NRL showpiece across the ditch.

Aside from the obvious logistical/quarantine/international travel challenges, to suggest a similar crowd would flock to a grand final is highly ambitious.

The Warriors averaged a tick over 16,000 every home game in 2019 before all this business hit. International matches don’t fare much better, with New Zealand’s most recent rugby league international series against Great Britain attracting just over 25,000. So the sales pitch is already a step behind.

It was an interesting thought bubble, but even with all the twists and turns seemingly popping up every few hours, I think it’s safe to rule out a New Zealand grand final.

Am I being harsh on the Roosters? How likely is a grand final in New Zealand? Would you have taken the two or gone for it? What stood out for you in Round 21?

The Crowd Says:

2021-08-11T09:53:59+00:00

DAVEC

Roar Rookie


you forgot to mention the worriors have won 2 in a row the NRL were never going to hold a grand final in NZ as the people wouldn't turn up and the timing would upset Helen Clarke and her mates at night

2021-08-11T03:01:04+00:00

zonecadet

Roar Rookie


Pretty sure Kenny got binned in the last seconds,….. brings up the quandary, should the time be served the following week?

2021-08-10T07:42:01+00:00

Birdy

Roar Rookie


Hi Tony, I heard Afghanistan is paying good money to start curling. Never know we might see him there for the next winter Olympics

2021-08-10T04:20:41+00:00

Nick Maguire

Roar Rookie


Joe, the team may also be coming off, or to the end of a hard conditioning block, now tapering to the finals. I seem to recall this pattern, probably all teams do it at some stage of the season and Storm are notoriously hard trainers so the effect may be greater. They've certainly put themselves in a good position to ride it out. I imagine they will now start to freshen up and should look more energetic on a reduced training load. Just in time!

2021-08-10T04:09:26+00:00

Birdy

Roar Rookie


Someone will upset him and he'll rip up his own contract and fly off into the sunset again.

2021-08-10T03:23:19+00:00

Geoff from Bruce Stadium

Roar Rookie


As long as you win your first final!

2021-08-10T02:02:18+00:00

DP Schaefer

Roar Rookie


:laughing: :laughing:

2021-08-10T02:01:34+00:00

DP Schaefer

Roar Rookie


Fair point. Yet I suppose my angle was - finishing 5th or 6th isn't that bad this year.

AUTHOR

2021-08-10T00:02:12+00:00

AJ Mithen

Expert


It wouldn't, Joey. The NRL couldn't take a week off prior for quarantine because channel nine wouldn't let them anyway. It's an Abdo brain fart. The whole plan has been hosed down by those who matter in NZ anyway... https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/league/300378314/prime-minister-jacinda-ardern-quashes-nrls-hopes-of-staging-grand-final-in-nz

2021-08-09T23:00:02+00:00

EagleWal

Roar Rookie


Yellers and hysterical voice raise at the slightest adventure.... if you have ever listened to Triple MMM - Maroon is even worse than Voss and Ginane

2021-08-09T21:38:30+00:00

Joey

Guest


Hey AJ, how do you see quarantine fitting in to an international Grand Final ? Else if they somehow show as exempt from quarantine entering NZ because they are part of the Earthling species, known as NRL players or associates, do you think that would be a fairly irresponsible act at this time, for the sake of playing a game ? Interested in your view.

2021-08-09T13:54:16+00:00

Tim Buck 3

Roar Rookie


I agree with the author that a NZ GF is a thought bubble. NZ is a Rugby country that is smaller than NSW and full of rugby fans. They will take an interest in NZ teams playing other sports, of which League is one, but there wouldn't be that many that would be eager to watch the game unless the Warriors make the GF. I may be wrong but PVL and Abdo have said they want to put another NZ team in before Perth or Adelaide. They're a worry.

2021-08-09T13:20:12+00:00

Tim Buck 3

Roar Rookie


Good point, there was 5 minutes to go of the Warriors being fatigued and down to 12 but the Sharks players weren't thinking straight. Maybe Paul Kent is one of those who see the game as entertainment before contest and scoring tries is much better entertainment than kicking for goal. Arthurson and Quayle changed tries to 4 points in 1982 because people wanted to see more tries. Increasing the value of tries also devalued the goal encouraging players to play on rather than kick.

2021-08-09T12:37:56+00:00

Timnaik O'Shaughnessy

Roar Rookie


Yes, EagleWal, it definitely should have been looked at. I think JH was reckless in another tackle during the game as well. Love the Storm but dangerous play is dangerous play.

2021-08-09T11:03:59+00:00

Joey

Guest


Surely Koroisau gets off with a fine max. Only got involved along with 20 others to help break things up. Ended up on his rear for all his good samaritanism, and now the NRL want to pin the whole incident on him. Nothing actually happened. Bit of push and shove. No punches thrown. It’s really a whole lot of crap that needs to be overturned in about 2 minutes. If there was anything to it, why did he ref not send him for a spell ? Why was the penalty to Penrith not overturned?

2021-08-09T10:36:43+00:00

no one in particular

Roar Guru


Est margin vs Melbourne on neutral ground (based on the 17 rolled out on the weekend). Melbourne Storm 0 Penrith Panthers -10.39 South Sydney Rabbitohs -10.41 Sydney Roosters -12.25 Manly-Warringah Sea Eagles -14.95 Parramatta Eels -16.01 Canberra Raiders -20.95 Cronulla-Sutherland Sharks -22.82 Gold Coast Titans -23.55 Newcastle Knights -25.22 Wests Tigers -25.38 New Zealand Warriors -26.14 St. George Illawarra Dragons -27.39 Brisbane Broncos -31.15 North Queensland Cowboys -31.47 Canterbury-Bankstown Bulldogs -33.62

2021-08-09T10:35:27+00:00

Geoff from Bruce Stadium

Roar Rookie


Fair enough. My AFL memory is fading with age.

2021-08-09T10:32:15+00:00

Geoff from Bruce Stadium

Roar Rookie


But JWH has been their best big man by far BM - I picked the Roosters and was fairly pi$$ed off that he hardly made an appearance. He would made a big difference in that second half given how few minutes he had played. Very strange decision.

2021-08-09T10:27:40+00:00

Geoff from Bruce Stadium

Roar Rookie


I couldn't believe it Tim - my jaw hit the ground - what on Earth were the Sharks thinking? At that stage of the game you immediately take the two 99 times out of a hundred - and on the that one time out of a hundred you think about it a bit longer and then you still take the two. Paul Kent was supporting the decision not to on NRL 360 tonight - and I thought he knew something about rugby league. He kept saying the Warriors were down to 12 men and looked fatigued and he supported going for the try. I have news for Kenty - the Warriors would still have been fatigued and down to 12 if the Sharks took the two and levelled the scores. They still had a few minutes of normal time plus extra time to get the result.

2021-08-09T10:16:15+00:00

Geoff from Bruce Stadium

Roar Rookie


Can you ask Craig to rest half the team on Thursday Joe? What worries me is even if they did they'd still probably win!

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