Moreton Bay takes Dolphins fight to NRL

I agree. I am saying that having lived on Northside of Brisbane all of my life, most people I have met (Rugby League or not) would identify with Moreton Bay as a location they are from. Many from Brisbane - not from Redcliffe - would have also played for the Dolphins. I think Redcliffe Dolphins or probably better Moreton Bay Dolphins is the best fit. Manchester United also are not even based in Manchester, yet nobody disputes that they represent that city. Hence Brisbane Dolphins would also work.

Beergardener, This spiel by the Dolphins board to seek a greater, more meaningful name is sheer nonsense. It's about greed, nothing more, nothing less. They only think they're chasing better better revenue streams. But they're doing at the expense of their long, proud history & tradition. Look at the Aussie fans running around in a Manchester Untied or Inter Milan shirt, or a New England Patriots or Milwaukee Bucks shirt. Here in Oz, many rugby fans adopted the ACT Brumbies as their team without having to live in the capital. There's no reason why rugby league fans from all over Brisbane & Queensland, or elsewhere, won't support Redcliffe if they like the club, the coach & the players. Anyone who supports this rubbish of the Dolphins board is easily fooled.

It's like they've looked at the hugely successful Super Rugby ( :silly: :laughing: :laughing: ) and thought, hmm they don't use geographical locations in their names, what a great idea to emulate

Might know him mate. I work with a lot of coaches in RL.

Yep, another guy. I’d dare say you’d know the guy I was thinking of. I met him through my work this year.

You might be thinking of a different guy. I don’t have much of a profile and less of one in my current role. It’s coaching but not coaching a team. I do coach development and build coaching resources for emerging nations basically so I’m a background guy.

I don’t find anything you’ve put forward as far as the sport is concerned- in the ‘weird fan perception’ category. The tribalism and the connection Redcliffe has to the Dolphins is aligned to my thinking. Your staunch dismissal of Redcliffe as part of Brisbane I find odd, but that’s not a rugby league issue. Those slithers of your profile lead me to think I know who you are. If you are who I think you might be, you know me too. If I’ve got this right (and I’m quietly confident I do), I don’t know you well but you’re a good bloke, this is quite funny.

I can appreciate working in sport, had you of taken the Dolphins job we would have mutual friends. Many old team mates or school mates have worked there. I won’t bore with my CV, but after playing Q cup I have coached for the past 8 years. Longer actually but past 8 part time and last 3 full time. It’s taken me to work overseas and also in my state. Which is pretty cool. I only mention it cause I’m not just a fan with a weird perception.

It’s just another layer (beyond the ‘political’ one that you suggest it’s only relevant to) that suggests that ‘Brisbane’ is widely accepted and viewed as a city that includes Brisbane City and the surrounding LGA’s. Again, as most major cities in Australia and the Western world are (more than just their central council zone). What you continue to ignore or don’t seem to grasp is that I actually agree with what’s at the root of your argument. That being that this expansion was to provide the competition with a legitimate 2nd Brisbane entity. While I believe Redcliffe can be accepted as a part of Brisbane, it’s only one very small part of it and couldn’t possibly adequately represent a reasonable chunk of Brisbane to assume what you’d want from a Brisbane 2 entry (at least not initially and for quite some time). I understand tribalism and it’s place in the game back to front. It’s how Redcliffe have engrained themselves as an institution in the local community on the Peninsula. I’m not questioning that for a second. The Leagues club is like a church to people in that area and it has offered the locals so much more than just a football team to follow. But the further you get away from Redcliffe and it’s hub, the less it means to people. That’s simply a biproduct of tribalism that if you’re not from or don’t live in or around Redcliffe- you’re not going to have that same passion for the club. People develop that connection because of their proximity to the place and while I very much see Redcliffe as part of Brisbane, it still has it’s own unique community character and it’s not close to much of the rest of the city. ‘Tribes’ have their patch and their people within it. ‘Redcliffe’ is one tribe that’s part of a wider ‘Brisbane tribe’ (a brand that represents the entire city in most national sporting leagues), but that ‘Redcliffe tribe’ only means something to the people of Redcliffe (possibly expanded out across MBRC- although Caboolture and Pine Rivers still have their own identities again). That’s how it’s become so strong and special- it’s theirs and nobody else’s. To share some of my experience, I studied in and have built a career around sport and marketing (although the latter isn't as relevant to me these days). My first job offer out of uni was at the Dolphins in 2007 but I wasn't quite ready to make the move back from the Gold Coast at that time.

Broncos fans support them regardless of its or their location. The broncos clubs resides and plays home games in Brisbane. As do most teams that have only one area they represent like Penrith, parramatta, Canberra NQ, etc. no one at red hill has to change their location name…… the fact they are named after an American horse is weird but hey that’s an argument for another day. I support an out of state team, but I don’t pretend they represent brisbane or Qld for that matter. Happy for them to be Redcliffe/ MB Dolphins cause that’s where they are from. I expect them to extend stadium to 20k or plus and be exclusively there in future. As for the roar, a business decision not to go broke is the reason they use the closest fully functioning smaller stadium in SEQ. Once ballymore or Easts tigers boutique stadium is complete expect them to come back inside the Brisbane precinct. I wasn’t trying to minimise your brisbane experience. Living in Brissy and like RL is different experience to working in the game. I was just sharing that side of the experience. I also feel a lot of MB people who support Broncos will change, as have been evidence in the last few weeks with an upsurge in Dolphins support post announcement. If it had of been Ipswich people there would change their colours because they final have a brand that represents them and the area they are from.

15 years isn’t long enough to build an appreciation of something…. Please! Just to be clear- I did almost all of my schooling in Brisbane, a year of uni, went down the road to the Gold Coast for the rest of Uni, came back to Brisbane for a couple of years, headed back to Sydney for a few more years and have now been back on the Gold Coast since 2014. My mum grew up and lives in Brisbane (with most of her family) and although my time spent living there might total around 15 years, I’m there countless times a year which has been the case for most of my life. I won’t have someone telling me that I don’t know what I’m talking about when it comes to Brisbane. Ok, let’s put it in ‘RL terms’ for you- I guess all those fans in places like Ipswich, Logan City and even Moreton Bay RC who passionately follow the BRISBANE Broncos should probably burn their jerseys, tear up their memberships and wait until their LGA has a team of its own. Or may be you should send something off to Red Hill to suggest they should change their name to the Greater Brisbane Broncos because you feel like the use of ‘Brisbane’ is being misrepresented… Actually, I wonder why the Brisbane Roar didn’t change their name to the Moreton Bay Roar when they moved up to Dolphins Stadium. Actually, I wonder why there hasn’t been a single Moreton Bay (or any outer LGA) team in a national competition because by your definitions it’s one of the largest cities in the country and isn’t representative of Brisbane.

Nope, I am discussing RL. The game is built on tribalism, it’s what makes it thrive. My whole argument has been about location and boundaries of said location. These might mean different things at different levels like political level. I haven’t discussed political view point, only along RL lines. Also given more than one precedent around my side of the discussion that’s happening from LGA to state to countries. Nowhere has to coexist if it’s in something, it just exists. Like this whole discussion would be avoided, if Redcliffe were actually in Brisbane (remember I went to school there and played for the Dolphins). Just cause you paint a pig black and white, that doesn’t make it a cow. In tribalism like in RL, an area, a boundary, a patch of dirt means something. Removing that means peeling back the fabric of what makes part of the sport what it is. Yes that’s my take on RL in Brisbane and in Qld and while you haven’t experienced RL here for longer than 15 years. I have dedicated most of my life to the sport and continue to do so. And feel like I’ve earned my opinion. To the casual RL observer my take might not make sense but for those having lived the Bne RL experience and been in the trenches, it makes complete sense. Which is what I have been trying to say, those with experience similar to mine don’t have a blasé approach. They are staunch in what it represents. Trying to tell us that our lived experience is not what it was is a hard sell.

You’re persistent aren’t you. The context wasn’t the competition they’re in, it was the location. They’re coexisting in Sydney, ‘mate’. Notice the ‘in Sydney’ part on the end of the quote you’re trying to pull apart? You missed the sarcasm, in the original comment despite me replying to your statement that ‘Penrith is not in Sydney’ with a (I thought) clearly tongue in cheek; ‘No, because the Panthers are never spoken about as one of Sydney’s 9 teams are they…..’ I can appreciate the multiple ways ‘alongside’ can be framed, so I’ve straitened that out for you… seriously, can you let it go now? You’re the one using ‘political metrics’ to argue here- suggesting Brisbane is only defined by a (literal) political boundary. Most don’t need ‘greater’ in front of Brisbane to understand what it is. Just like most understand that ‘Sydney’ incorporates Penrith, the Shire, the City of Randwick etc. ‘Greater’ is the official way to frame the Brisbane that most are happy to just accept as ‘Brisbane’. Just like ‘The City of Brisbane’ is the official way to frame the Brisbane that is defined by council boundaries which really only become relevant around local election time.

Yes mate I know what a map is and what a dictionary is. Tweed Seagulls and PNG Hunters coexist in Q Cup. The broncos coexisted in NSWRL. The Warriors coexist in ARL / NRL. Coexisting in a competition doesn’t mean you are from that region, state or country. Stop using political metrics to argue RL points. Throwing “greater” in front of something is like some inclusive participation award. Otherwise please argue with PVL to change it to the Greater National RL.

Trust NRL leadership to screw up something so simple as creating a name for their new team. The saddest part is that this sort of failure isn't even surprising anymore. Watching the NRL commission try to govern the game is like watching a small herd of cows try to make a cup of tea - occasionally amusing, sometimes a bit sad; always ultimately disappointing.

Also; Alongside: ‘at the same time as or in coexistence with’. Like Penrith coexists in Sydney with 8 other teams. I’m happy to straighten out any confusion, but may be park it once the intended meaning is crystal-clear.

Alongside - close to the side of; next to “The car pulled up alongside ours”. So while similar and close together they aren’t actually the same thing? I’m not debating what you think. If your comments don’t match what you mean / think then that’s on you.

Australia sports administration 101 - bastardise all traditions and beliefs, corporate talk, BS. Central Coast Bears has a much better ring to it. Next they will invent a league with pastel colours, and use names like The Sixers and The Renegades… oh wait… It’s like modern sports administrators sit around a board room long enough to convince themselves of their own BS. What a joke. And a little btw - if the NRL was about tribalism the Bears would be back. Wasted opportunity - everyone’s’ second team. Long live the Bears.

So we’re really debating what I (me!) truly think!? Speaks volumes. You’re ignoring the first sentence: ‘Penrith aren’t operating alongside only 1 other team in Sydney’- note; ‘alongside’. Implies ‘being in something together’. Being in ‘what’ together? Sydney. In layman’s terms: Penrith aren’t in Sydney with just one other team (as the Dolphins will be in Brisbane), they’re in Sydney with another 8… ‘which has Sydney well and truly covered (and then some)’

The reference that other teams have Sydney covered….. the inference is that Penrith doesn’t cover an area that’s already covered “(and then some)”.