'Maturity level must be questioned': How it feels to be a Penrith Panthers fan right now

By Danielle Smith / Editor

Easily one of the top teams in the NRL for the past two seasons, after falling agonisingly short last year, there was no hiding the elation, relief and pride of the Penrith Panthers when they finally won the premiership.

After reaching the top, everyone involved with the Panthers should have felt on top of the world.

But after a year marred with poor attitudes on the field and shocking incidents off it, it seems their premiership win didn’t bring the euphoria they thought it would, and anything connected to the Panthers appears to be negative.

There were over the top try celebrations that got under everyone’s skin. Arrogance and ego seemed to overflow from the team list. Opposing fans felt frustrated, believing there was one set of a rules for the Panthers and one for all the other teams. Nathan Cleary was labelled The Protected Species.

The team damaged the grand final trophy during celebrations, and Viliame Kikau was filmed singing Glory, Glory as a dig towards the Bunnies.

Api Korisau snuck a woman who wasn’t his wife into State of Origin camp, and of course there was the walking disaster that is Tyrone May.

We know what the players think about it all. We unfortunately know too much about what the players think, thanks to social media.

Tyrone May wasn’t happy with “dirt being thrown on his name” (Photo by Anthony Au-Yeung/Getty Images)

The opinions are split between journalists and commentators, with some saying everything the Panthers do is amazing, and the rest are shouting, “Off with their heads!”

There is a divide between non-Panthers fans, as well. They are either at the top of your most hated list, or you love what they do and what they bring to the game.

But what about the Panthers fans? What do they think about their team?

I decided to find out.

I sat down with Gavin and Drew, two long-time die-hard Penrith fans, to go through what it’s like to be a Panthers fan right now. I made sure we were more than 1.5 metres apart – not just because of COVID, but because they go for Penrith.

“On the field, really proud of the boys,” Gavin explained. “Off the field, so disappointed. The maturity level of the players must be questioned. They can be so respectful in interviews, and they are so good in the community, that needs to be transferred to personal behaviour as well as actions on the field.”

Drew agreed: “I was so disheartened after such an amazing grand final win. I expected more from them. Scandal after scandal – we definitely s**t the bed.”

The boys were in agreement with the Tyrone May situation as well.

“The actual crime – inexcusable. Then being able to remain at the club, getting to play in a winning grand final team and putting that post up on Instagram? Just stupid.”

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“The sacking was too little, too late,” adds Gavin. “The initial incident was disgraceful, and May should have been sacked from that, not the Instagram post. His personal relationships within the club helped him there. I also believe that if he was a top-line player, one of our bigger names who deserves to be in the 17, he would not have been sacked at all.”

The guys weren’t overly happy regarding how the team is portrayed in the media.

“They copped so much crap about the trophy, which was an accident,” Gavin says.

“The media seem to always clutch at straws to create drama. The team are not as arrogant as they are made out to be. I didn’t agree with how Stephen Crichton acted during that Canberra game, and the boys need to know the difference between confidence and arrogance and not cross that line.

“But they are made out to be much worse than what they are really like.”

“There is still a lot of room for growth and maturity,” Drew adds. “They are a young side, they were bound to make mistakes, but I don’t think anyone expected the extent of some of those mistakes. The media is a double-edged sword – the Panthers felt that more than anyone this season.”

On the topic of social media and the role clubs should take, the guys were divided.

“Absolutely, the clubs need to be more involved,” Drew opines. “There needs to be so much more training from the clubs on the dos and don’ts of social media. The players need to realise that what seems like a simple post can have a huge impact.

“Small actions can have big consequences.”

Gavin disagrees.

“I don’t think there is much more that the clubs can do. There needs to be some personal responsibility and commonsense from the players. They seem to be oblivious to so many things, and don’t realise the effects of their actions until they are involved in it and it’s too late.

“I do believe though that nowadays, people look for things to be offended by. I know I’m glad social media wasn’t around when I was in my early 20s!”

They also disagree on whether the current Panthers are a club that they are proud enough of for their kids to support.

The Apisai Koroisau incident in Origin camp was just one of the Panthers’ off-field scandals (Photo by Mark Kolbe/Getty Images)

“Absolutely,” Gavin states. “When they are with their fans, especially kids, they are amazing. My son thinks he and Nathan Cleary are friends because they once got a photo taken together. I also think Isaah Yeo is a great leader and role model. I’m happy for my boys to support them for how they play on the field.”

Drew, having daughters, has a different opinion. “No, not at this stage. Seeing how the team has acted, their treatment of women, and having three girls myself… not at this stage.”

I was interested to see what they thought about Cleary being labeled a protected species. Gavin is quick to defend.

“On the field, certainly not.”

(We had to stop for a minute because I choked on my water at that statement.)

“Off the field, well, he is an elite player and, like all elite players, he gets special treatment. It may seem pretty harmless until they do something that puts them in hot water, though.

“You know, like a couple of well-known Melbourne players. If you go by the reaction from the trophy being accidentally damaged to the rug sweeping that went on with the Storm… I think that’s a better definition of protected species.”

Both fans are looking forward to next season. Seeing how the club moves forward after the dramas of this year, as well as how the team looks.

“I’m interested to see how they handle the fringes without (Matt) Burton and (Kurt) Capewell,” Drew says. “And, of course, I’m looking forward to us hopefully becoming back-to-back premiers!”

Matt Burton is heading to Belmore in 2022 (Photo by Bradley Kanaris/Getty Images)

Gavin is looking forward to seeing some young blood come through, and is especially excited with Izack Tago.

“I’m also curious to see how they will handle those coming off contract. I wouldn’t be upset if they let Kikau go – I would rather have someone more consistent in the side.”

My final question made the boys really think: “If you could stand in front of the team right now and say anything, what would it be?”

“Oh, that’s a tough one,” Drew replies. “I would probably say, ‘Even when you are winning, you may not be really winning. Act on the field as you would off it. Be professional and disciplined wherever you go.’”

Gavin is a bit more philosophical.

“History shows, when Penrith win comps it’s been because of local talent. And then after that victory it falls apart very quickly.

“This group has the opportunity to dominate the next decade, create a legacy that could rival the likes of the Storm and the Roosters. Do you want to create a dynasty, or just live off one premiership?”

It’s always interesting to hear from those that choose to wear a team’s colours, and not just those who get paid to wear them or write about them.

The players and the clubs need to think about their fans a bit more regarding how they act and the decisions they make.

Their next generation of supporters may depend on it.

This is the first of a series on every club

The Crowd Says:

2021-11-12T05:35:46+00:00

BillV

Guest


What’s the deal with stepping in to defend Danielle? I’m sure she doesn’t need you making her feel a female inferior like a damsel in distress. If there was something she needed to respond to me about, she’s well able to. Get with the times.

2021-11-12T05:16:48+00:00

BillV

Guest


Ben’s poor decision to drink and drive was not a decision he would have made differently had he not won the premiership. Please get real. Else, in a nutshell, winners are grinners, losers can please themselves. Your mob has been pleasing themselves forever, and probably forever more. Enjoy

2021-11-11T23:41:08+00:00

Mick Gold Coast QLD

Roar Guru


You appear, stranger, to have attained the same level of literacy as that dill. Stick with trying to understand a maximum five words per sentence. Stop and rest your fragile mind after every two sentences.

2021-11-11T23:36:06+00:00

Mick Gold Coast QLD

Roar Guru


I happen to be just like you, stranger - I have no idea what you are talking about, and even less interest.

2021-11-11T20:37:34+00:00

BillV

Guest


Suggest your own team gets off the crack introduced by Storm recruits and you’d have half a chance of winning a comp within your lifetime.

2021-11-11T20:32:10+00:00

BillV

Guest


I agree with Greta, “Blah, blah, blah”.

2021-11-11T06:23:16+00:00

thomas c

Guest


Yeo, Burton, Edwards, Capewell and Too didn't do anything to annoy me. They have a crop who include some guys who seem like decent guys (from afar), but still managed to come across as being - on the whole - obnoxious. The trophy thing was mostly just about how much they'd annoyed people. Kikau and May kinda killed off any feel good factor for a lot of people. Additionally, the GF was a narrow victory against a less favoured team. If you scrape home against an underdog that people kinda like, then being gracious in victory is going to play well.

2021-11-11T05:07:44+00:00

Cat Brown

Guest


You have no idea what Alf got up to in the day. Let me assure you he wasn't the squeeky cleanskin people make him about to be. There was no social media. That's the only reason he got away with things.

2021-11-10T11:43:02+00:00

Larry1950

Guest


Matth, we have similar backgrounds but i’ve got age on you I think. Few issues about some comments by others on here, Penrith were never ‘arguably’ the best team for the last two years because in 2020 Melbourne put the cue in the rack around 65 minutes in before which they’d trounced them. The Storm, Souths & Eels can argue they were hard done by this season. May must know a few more secrets about Cleary surely, why else would he stick like that misguided response, he is a self admitted liar after all. Other than Luai being a tosser, they are just your average bunch of overpaid & spoilt kids. We have ours in brisbane & I think it’s a millennial thing.

2021-11-10T11:33:05+00:00

BillV

Guest


Panthers knocked the Rabbits out two years running. That’s what’s cutting the deepest.

2021-11-10T08:13:07+00:00

Larry1950

Guest


Alf never posted sex videos of an unsuspecting young woman, unlike remorseless Tyrone May who already had form. Enough said!

AUTHOR

2021-11-10T04:49:58+00:00

Danielle Smith

Editor


Thanks Paul. Yes it was interesting that Drew said in the artcle “There needs to be so much more training from the clubs on the dos and don’ts of social media.” and Gavin said "I don't think there is much more clubs can do". Fans from the same team are divided about issues regarding their team, which is why I thought this concept of speaking to fans of every team would be quite interesting.

2021-11-10T03:25:46+00:00

Forty Twenty

Roar Rookie


It's always assumed that a young player will only get better but it's also pretty common for a players greatest impact is when they are young and loaded with confidence and haven't been worked out so well by the opposition. DCE is the Australian half but his impact in his first few years was dramatic and I reckon he was a better player when he started on a paupers wage. Will Hopoate started at the same time and his first year was his best by a long way.

2021-11-10T03:19:49+00:00

Adam

Roar Guru


Gonna really struggle to find a reasonable rabbitohs supporter

2021-11-10T02:50:13+00:00

Tim Buck 3

Roar Rookie


The Roosters would concede wrestling penalties near their line. This was made possible by changing the value of a try to four points. Before that teams would kick a penalty goal and the wrestlers were costing their team points. Now a strong defensive team gives away a penalty knowing the attackers will take a tap so they are not penalised,

2021-11-10T02:11:57+00:00

mushi

Roar Guru


One of the cliche's "no effort in training is wasted" Can just see Barrett saying that and then his assistant whispers "But coach they're practicing try celebrations"

2021-11-10T02:09:11+00:00

mushi

Roar Guru


Wasn't it a WAG that put the caption on?

2021-11-10T00:52:54+00:00

mushi

Roar Guru


Agree the "young excuse" is a cliche one. It's like anything - it isn't a binary can/can't win. Experience is great, so is talent, so is recovery rate, so is raw speed. They were young in age but really their core players all had adequate experience. The last year I felt their current core players were "experience" young was two years back and they weren't a terrible team then (f/a was better than say newcastle). Being young but also capable also typically means most players are on friendly contracts. So extra talent, less experience.

2021-11-10T00:06:20+00:00

The Barry

Roar Guru


If it was just me I’d accept that… except there are several people who “can’t comprehend” the point you’re trying to make and no one who’s said “I know what he means…” So, call it a cop out if you like… if that makes you feel better. What did you say earlier about this being a face saving exercise…?

2021-11-09T23:58:37+00:00

Mick Gold Coast QLD

Roar Guru


"Danielle ... your intro is way way off" Well stranger, in your demonstrably inaccurate criticism of the author, your opinion has walked smack into the collapse of Penrith after Ben Alexander drove drunk and died. "One individual’s actions is never going to taint it. Not in the slightest." Greg Alexander's immediate reaction was extraordinary, determined to find and belt the guilty when it was clear right from the jump who was responsible. The triumphalism instantly disappeared, the Penrith team fell in a heap for the rest of that year and didn't recover for five seasons. Luke Goodwin (Lord Ted's son), who was lucky Alexander did not kill him too, left immediately, his promising career ending at age 19, making way for 20 years of self admitted oblivion. Crash survivor Glen Liddiard did the same, finished at 23. Penrith's iconic figures, Geyer and Alexander, left very soon after to play elsewhere for years to follow. Fittler left the losing crew, bound for Easts. Those are the facts about the impacts at of "One individual’s actions" at Penrith.

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