Rugby News: Giteau Law hammered, coach quits saying SAR 'don't give a s--t', why 'men can learn to tackle from women'

By The Roar / Editor

Dave Rennie is set to name his northern hemisphere tour squad on Sunday and there’s no sign of the elephant in the room – the eligibility of overseas-based players – getting up and leaving any time soon.

Former internationals Mat Rogers, Drew Mitchell, and Sonny Bill Williams became the latest ex-players to speak out against the Giteau Law and how it’s holding back the Wallabies in a report in the Sydney Morning Herald. It’s a storyline that’s trotted out every time Rennie must pick a team with one hand tied behind his back.

Although always diplomatic, it must tear up Rennie – a coach under some increasing pressure due to a poor win-loss record – that he is handicapped in such a manner.

Rogers compared rugby’s situation to the Socceroos – who have a World Cup of their own in five weeks’ time.

“Someone has to make the hard decision … we’ve got to be realists,” said Rogers, who played in the 2003 World Cup final defeat.

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“When they make that decision, Australian rugby becomes like Australian soccer. That’s probably the only way I can see us creating these battle-hardened players that are ready to compete at a high-level week in, and week out. If you don’t do that, I don’t think it’s fair to expect the players to be at a level where they can compete on that [international] stage.

“It’s robbing the players of the ability to develop. Imagine how bad the Socceroos would be if we made players stay in Australia. It’d be awful. We need to make some concessions because the results over the last 20 years are fairly comprehensive.”

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Rugby Australia has shown a willingness to shift the boundaries of the Giteau Law and have not ruled out further tweaks in the lead-up to next year’s World Cup.

Players are usually against the rule – aimed at protecting the status of Super Rugby Down Under – while The Roar founder Spiro Zavos wrote passionately about how divisive it can be when you thrust overseas players back in the mix.

One of the Giteau picks Zavos wrote about was Will Genia, now a columnist with us.

“For me, there is only one correct decision. That means no tweaks or amendments, just move on and start picking the best Australian players for the Wallabies,” he wrote.

“We don’t have the depth of talent to be so restrictive. I know the argument is if you stay it means you treasure the jersey more, but to be brutally honest that’s a load of BS.”

Mitchell told the Herald: “It’s a World Cup. We’re in a competitive market. We need the game to thrive. Why would we cut ourselves off at the ankles?

“I’m not talking about 15 players from overseas. You look at our pack. If we had Will Skelton somewhere in there every Test … he’s a bully and a different beast. Pick who you think is going to give you the best chance of winning the World Cup.

“I can’t imagine being a Wallabies coach and knowing that you’re not going into the World Cup having the squad you wanted because your own board is putting limitations on you.”

Sonny Bill Williams pointed to South Africa – who have allowed their best players to find fortune overseas.

“They’re world champions because they don’t stand in the way of their players, they pick them from wherever they play,” Williams said.

“They let their players earn their money and they don’t discriminate when they represent their country. They pick the best possible team they can.”

Rennie has three selections at his disposal for the northern tour and it appears Bernard Foley will be on the plane. Will Skelton is likely to join the squad in Europe, while Scott Sio – who has just joined Exeter – could be in for a quick reunion.

Jones to keep on going

Eddie Jones is determined for his long-standing association with the World Cup to continue beyond the conclusion of his England coaching tenure next year.

The Australian will step down after eight years in charge once the 2023 World Cup is complete and he could return to his homeland with his name having been linked with a director of rugby role with the Wallabies.

But whatever his destination, the 62-year-old does not see his fifth World Cup as a coach being his last despite previously declaring that he would retire to Barbados to watch cricket when his time with England was over.

“No. Definitely not. It won’t be. I can’t guarantee you that, but I don’t think it will be,” said Jones, who has led England and Australia to World Cup finals in 2003 and 2019 and also won the competition in 2007 as an assistant coach with South Africa.

“I reckon there’s still a bit to do. There’s still a bit in the tank. I rang up the boss of the Barbados IPL and he’s not interested…”

England begin the countdown to the World Cup this autumn when they face Argentina, Japan, New Zealand and South Africa at Twickenham.

There is still some doubt if Jones will have Australian defence coach Anthony Seibold by his side. The Aussie is expected to take over at Manly NRL club but the RFU said Friday they expected him to see out his autumn commitments.

Once the Six Nations is complete they will play four warm-up games and the challenge facing Jones is to propel the team forwards while not revealing the details of their masterplan for the tournament.

“The one thing you want to be doing from here to the World Cup – and every coach will say the same – is improving,” he said.

“You don’t want to be static and you don’t want to show everything. If you show everything then teams come up with plans to stop you doing that.

“We want to win every Test in November but we don’t want to be showing any tactical developments that maybe we’ll want to use in the World Cup.

“You don’t want to show it in the warm-up games. You want to be able to do it on the training paddock consistently then be able to do it bang at the World Cup.”

Wales captain in doubt for Wallabies Test

Wales captain Dan Biggar is in doubt for the November internationals – including a game against the Wallabies – after suffering a knee injury.

The flyhalf hurt his knee playing for Northampton on October 9 and is still being assessed.

Wales begin their campaign against New Zealand on November 5 before further internationals against Argentina, Georgia and Australia.

Head coach Wayne Pivac is already without Liam Williams, Leon Brown and Owen Lane for the four-match series, with Johnny Williams also missing the start of the campaign.

There are further injury doubts over Josh Navidi, Gareth Anscombe, Alex Cuthbert, Josh Adams and Justin Tipuric.

South Africa coach resigns

The coach of South Africa’s women’s rugby sevens team has departed his job with a stunning hit and run on the country’s rugby rulers.

Paul Delport, who has coached the side since 2017, was scathing of SA Rugby in a post-resignation interview.

“It was pretty simple for me. There were 16 teams at the Women’s Sevens Rugby World Cup. There are 13 teams that are full-time professional. There are three of us who aren’t. That’s us (South Africa), Madagascar and Colombia and we finished 14th, 15th and 16th,” Delport told South Africa’s Daily Maverick newspaper.

He said SA Rugby are “unwilling to invest. I don’t understand. Women’s rugby is where it is at the moment, where all the growth can happen. And we don’t want to invest, which doesn’t make any sense.”

Both of South Africa’s women’s rugby teams are outside the world’s top 10.

“[SA Rugby] don’t give a shit. I’m just resigning because I can no longer peddle a lie to talented young women.”

Men can learn how to tackle from women

World Rugby’s deputy chief medical officer says male players can “learn from the women” in an effort to reduce concussions, adding that female counterparts often have better tackling technique.

The UK Telegraph reported that women and girls are at a doubled risk of suffering brain injury in contact sports such as rugby despite playing to exactly the same rules as men.

“Although there is an established increase in risk, World Rugby’s Head Injury Assessment concussion protocol was used just once during the first six games of the women’s World Cup,” the paper wrote.

“That is significantly lower than the seven HIAs which were recorded during the first six matches at the 2019 men’s World Cup in Japan, two of which were later confirmed as concussions.”

Dr Martin Raftery told the Telegraph suggested a reason behind the low number of HIAs was because in the women’s game there is more emphasis on doing the basics right – including having the correct tackle technique.

“Sitting on the sidelines and watching the six games of this first weekend has been fantastic. The game has really developed,” said Dr Raftery – the former Wallabies team doctor. “Two non-medical things that really struck me were the skills of the players, their passing skills, their tackling skills and their position in space.

“I think you can actually say for the first time that maybe the men can learn from the women. Maybe what’s happening is because they [women] are evolving in the sport, the focus has gone back to the basics of the game – passing, tackling. In the first six games we had this weekend, there was only one HIA. We’d normally be seeing far more than that in the men’s game.

“For me, the key message is that the technique is still the way to control head injuries within our sport. There was one particular passage of play – it was the English team – they were passing the ball from left to right, right to left, and left to right again, going through the hands of probably six or seven players each way. The passing was phenomenal. I don’t think you’d see that in the men’s game.”

The Crowd Says:

2022-10-16T10:33:09+00:00

BeastieBoy

Roar Rookie


Its a NO BRAINER.... STOP Devaluing the jersey. ALWAYS pick the BEST Australian player wherever they may be in the world, for our Representative Team. This has ALWAYS been the Rule. Get back to it. It's Obvious. REMOVE the Giteau rule

2022-10-16T00:07:35+00:00

Malotru

Roar Rookie


Wallabies appear to have a fetish about biff and bash, to wit Drew Mitchell's comment about Will Skelton 'he’s a bully and a different beast'. To me the Wallas focus too much on size and physicality and too little on the skills of the game.

2022-10-15T22:20:09+00:00

Hooter

Roar Rookie


Didn't mean to put words in your mouth Terry. It was more of a statement as there does seem to be a very pro BPA vibe on this site.

2022-10-15T04:31:48+00:00

Just Nuisance

Roar Rookie


Jasper Wiese and Ox Nche both came into the Bok team from overseas clubs not domestic ones . Wiese in particular probably wouldn’t have got selected if he didn’t move abroad . Nothing to do with going overseas tho and more about going into an environment that suited them .

2022-10-15T03:56:18+00:00

Gutterboy

Roar Rookie


At the moment he wont get any game time at the Brumbies as White is there, so he should not go on tour until his Brumbies coach starts him ahead of White. The top 3 scrumhalfs start for their province's for a good reason and deserve to go over Ryan.

2022-10-15T03:46:40+00:00

Packerd

Roar Rookie


If Skelton had a workrate around the park id might consider him.But he has been found wanting at test level.Lifting blokes in a lineout is not a big enough reason to put him in the 23. He is poor at everything else. As Valetini and Hooper never jump we will have only Phillip and Neville as the primary jumpers And Uru needs to be in the 23 at 6 or reserve lock, and Skelton nowhere near the 23. Alas ,Rennie will probably think Holloway and Hanigan will be our saviours at lineout. Hanigan will be the 6 even though he is not a test 6 and the underwhelming Holloway will be one of Rennies locks.

2022-10-15T02:14:46+00:00

SDRedsFan

Roar Rookie


I believe so. I'm from QLD so never bought that paper (or too many others actually), so only used to see his articles online.

2022-10-15T00:50:53+00:00

Gepetto

Roar Rookie


It's rare that a player improves under Coach Goon

2022-10-15T00:49:07+00:00

Gepetto

Roar Rookie


The Naard was a disaster at #12.

2022-10-15T00:06:26+00:00

Jacko

Roar Rookie


Brendan you cant have a longterm 5 team comp so RA would need to pay around 70-80 more players ( 2 squads worth ) for a 7 team comp which I think is minimum. They might lose 20 players OS ( Wallabies open selection policy ) so thats now 100 more players needed to have a domestic Aus only comp. At a conservative 150k average thats 15mil extra for the players needed. At 300k average thats 30mil needed. So I dont see how RA can afford that and I dont see how that can improve Aus rugby strength

2022-10-14T23:40:59+00:00

Brendan NH Fan

Roar Rookie


Are more people not brought I to rugby by WB success and grass roots rugby than SR. If you aren't paying anyone over 400k you still get a good team. Oz winners

2022-10-14T23:36:38+00:00

Brendan NH Fan

Roar Rookie


And that is the downside of making people stay is you then mist pick them

2022-10-14T23:28:54+00:00

Brendan NH Fan

Roar Rookie


I think you will find that English and French have their players in camp together alot less than NZ or Oz. As clubs lose European Stars during the 6N, having SA, Arg etc. Players are important. Most PI players don't play summer tests as they must pay for their own flights, get very little to be there and the games are often meaningless. They play EOYTs as Ryanair for €100 gets you to any city. The PI unions aren't always great to work for.

2022-10-14T23:07:24+00:00

Paulo

Roar Rookie


Especially when it’s been established that the NH is a better competition and environment for rugby right now.

2022-10-14T23:05:18+00:00

Paulo

Roar Rookie


“Hooper’s Law that welds a player in one position for his entire playing career.” Don’t most players play one position for their careers? I mean some can cover multiple positions but most, especially specialist roles, only play the one?

2022-10-14T18:48:58+00:00

Rugbytrylover

Roar Rookie


None better than the absolutely useless Bill Pulver who Michael Hawker got in .. old school mates. Pulver had the hide to take a substantial bonus when he left!

2022-10-14T18:43:49+00:00

Rugbytrylover

Roar Rookie


He was the best rugby writer and like you, it is why I checked out the Roar. Didn’t he also write in the SMH?

2022-10-14T18:41:41+00:00

Rugbytrylover

Roar Rookie


Yes Guess. Cooper, Kerevi, Koribete and Arnold… and who else? Rogers, Mitchell and Sonny Bro were obviously paid to throw it out there. I’m sure Rennie and co are watching Aussies abroad and know if any may fit the Wallaby frame. It’s not as though there are 15 blokes that would walk into the Wallabies. Come on Roarers. Who else?

2022-10-14T18:18:50+00:00

Ad-O

Guest


Its not empty talk, its just understanding reality. Rugby is getting bigger in Europe and Japan not smaller like Australia. You want to get ahead of the change before the change gets ahead of you.

2022-10-14T18:14:23+00:00

Ad-O

Guest


And you think 20 years of decline under protectionism has been a roaring success. Maybe its time to face reality. European Rugby is streets ahead of Super Rugby and the top players are going to want to play in it. Hobbling the Wallabies wont change that.

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