A-League Round 4 talking points: Stunning comeback, more VAR drama and Wanderers keep rolling

By David Shilovsky / Expert

Plenty of action to run the rule over again this round, with 11 goals scored and three red cards handed out on a super Saturday alone.

Let’s get into it – here are your A-League Round 4 talking points.

Early goal of the season contender

It wasn’t the match of the round but Adelaide’s Coopers Stadium homecoming produced this magical moment from the Glory’s Giordano Colli.

Wow, what a hit. You could possibly question the lack of closing down from the Reds but in fairness, Colli’s on an angle and about 35 metres out when he strikes it. Not a lot Joe Gauci could do about that one.

Perth tried hard but ultimately, as will happen time and time again this season, their dearth of quality shone through and it finished 2-1 to United.

City unleashing hell on the A-League

This week’s episode of A-Leagues All Access gave fans great insight into the restless and relentless psychology behind the success of Patrick Kisnorbo’s Melbourne City outfit. “Unleash hell,” the manager commanded his charges before they took the field for the sold-out Melbourne Derby.

After years of threatening, City finally broke through for their first premiership and championship in 2020-21 with a 15-win regular season, then completed the double by taking care of Sydney FC in the Grand Final at AAMI Park. Last season they claimed a second straight regular season crown and made it to the decider once again, only to be usurped by the noisy neighbours in Western United with everything on the line.

Judging by their start on the pitch this season, as well as the intensity of Kisnorbo’s team talks, they’re as hungry as ever to claim a third premiership on the bounce and avenge last season’s Grand Final defeat. And based on the rest of the league’s start to the new campaign, who’s going to stand in their way?

They’re still top, but today’s result shows City are fallible. Good on Wellington, they performed admirably and salvaged a point in the Melbourne rain. City’s second-half performance certainly left something to be desired, perhaps getting complacent with their 2-0 advantage.

I still expect Kisnorbo’s men to punish Perth when the Glory visit AAMI Park next Saturday, as well as the Jets up at McDonald Jones Stadium in two weeks’ time, but today’s draw will give those other sides some confidence they can also cause a boilover and grab something against the premiers.

VAR rears its ugly head again

Another week, another VAR drama in this glorious league. It’s not my favourite topic to cover but it would be remiss of me to neglect some of the bizarre calls from the booth this weekend.

First, in the interest of balance let’s discuss the send-off in Brisbane. Roar gloveman Jordan Holmes came an awfully long way out of his area and instead of getting the ball, made contact with Nicholas D’Agostino’s head with full force. It was dangerous and Holmes was deservedly red carded.

(Photo by Darrian Traynor/Getty Images)

Scott Wootton would’ve been in big trouble had he connected with Jamie Maclaren in the Sunday evening fixture, but luckily for Wellington there was no contact. This was also the correct call, so well done, Adam Kersey.

Now, on to some more contentious decisions.

With the Mariners trying to mount a comeback in Gosford Jason Cummings had a goal chalked off for a strange reason: an errant second ball on the pitch at the start of Central Coast’s attack.

Then at Campbelltown Stadium all hell broke loose.

Playing a give-and-go with Anthony Caceres, live wire Robert Mak appeared to draw contact from Matthew Millar as he chased the return ball, prompting Alex King to point to the spot. Replays, however, clearly showed the Sydney winger initiating the little contact there was but inexplicably King stuck with his original call.

The moment that changed this ‘Sydney Derby’ was undoubtedly Jonathan Aspropotamitis’ red card. I’m not calling this an outright howler for three reasons: he was the last man, Patrick Wood was just about in front of him, and Tomislav Uskok probably wasn’t getting across in time to cut off the Sydney forward.

The issue I have with the red card, though, is just how far Wood still is out from goal, and considering Filip Kurto was channeling prime Iker Casillas all night, who knows whether Sydney would have scored?

And whether or not it’s fair on referees, send-offs change games, or “ruin” them, to quote Paramount caller Simon Hill. There’s deservedly a high bar for what constitutes a red card. It’s not quite sending someone to jail for murder, but the person with the whistle needs to be sure of their decision.

Could stunning comeback kick-start Mariners’ campaign?

Last Sunday’s loss at home to wooden spoon favourites Perth Glory was definitely unexpected for Nick Montgomery’s side, but yesterday’s stirring come-from-behind 4-2 win over Western United was the perfect response.

It took character for the Mariners to get themselves back into this game. After dominating the early proceedings, they found themselves down by two after a couple of clinical United counter-attacks. Jason Cummings had two goals disallowed by VAR and it seemed like it wasn’t going to be Central Coast’s day.

(Photo by Ashley Feder/Getty Images)

But then Cummings finally got one in the back of the net legally after some great work from the effervescent Garang Kuol. Just seven minutes later the Mariners were level and the floodgates opened, with two more quick goals sealing the victory.

Could the result propel Central Coast to a good little run? It’s a trip to Parramatta next week to take on Marko Rudan’s Wanderers side, then Macarthur come to Central Coast Stadium to round out the Mariners’ fixtures pre-World Cup break. They’ve still got a game in hand, too after the F3 Derby washout.

Marko Rudan leads Western Sydney to second

Just quietly, the Wanderers are second on the ladder and they’ve been good value so far.

It’s never going to be champagne football under Marko Rudan’s iron fist but the Wanderers outplayed Newcastle throughout Friday’s contest, especially in the second half. They’re one of two sides with an unbeaten month to open 2022-23 and it does seem the boss is building something with his new-look side.

It’s one of the league’s most tired clichés: is this the year Western Sydney not only make the finals, but ascend to contender status? The early signs are certainly good. Two more wins before the World Cup hiatus might just send the hype into the stratosphere.

If both sides win next week, there’s going to be at least 35,000 at Allianz Stadium for the derby, if not more.

Whose idea was it to play in 30° Brisbane heat?

Scheduling six games per week while trying to keep all stakeholders happy isn’t an easy gig – I get that. But surely, as we go into summer the league needs to do away with 3pm kick-offs. If we don’t, La Niña might be the only thing preventing players from getting heatstroke. It was 30° at kick-off at Moreton Daily Stadium as the Roar hosted Melbourne Victory, and the mercury was in the mid-20s for the champions’ visit to Gosford.

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It’s the same story next week as Sydney FC travel up to Queensland for the early start on Sunday afternoon. Let’s hope conditions are more palatable that day. There’s a 3pm (local) kick-off at Sky Stadium earlier on, but a quick perusal of the forecast shows that it’ll be a chilly 16° as Phoenix host Dwight Yorke’s Macarthur side.

These earlier kick-offs are only going to result in players conserving energy and managers making adjustments to ensure their game plan is more conservative. A-League players are just not fit enough to go full throttle in mid or late-afternoon heat.

The Crowd Says:

2022-11-02T02:34:06+00:00

Hudddo

Roar Rookie


I'll weigh in on the CCM game. -The timing was atrocious. CCM can't fill on Saturdays. -The weather was perfect beach weather. -We had just played one of our worst game in 2 years the week before. -We have 3 home games in 4 weeks, Plus a WSW away game, alot have to sacrifice one weekend to the misso, wasn't gunna be Perth as it was the first home game, alot of people will travel for WS for a bit of atmosphere, and MBs is the last before the WC. WU was always gunna be low.

2022-11-02T02:22:57+00:00

Hudddo

Roar Rookie


I'm glad that you can spot the hypocrisy in the officiating. Though the question here shouldn't be why didn't NTS get away with it, but why did Caceres? I agree Caceres should have been pinged. It doesn't mitigate NTS going in studs up (not even contesting the ball).

AUTHOR

2022-11-01T04:54:22+00:00

David Shilovsky

Expert


It's something every sport struggles with at one point or another. I think it's worth talking about but as I said, it'll get tiresome if it's a talking point every single round.

2022-11-01T04:43:09+00:00

TheSecretScout

Roar Guru


adelaide has never drawn ratings - victory, sydney and to a degree the wanderers are the only 3 that draw some what of a rating on tv the Adelaide match was never going to get a good crowd - it was a prime example of the softness of today’s generation of fan when it comes to the elements. a real supporter will go whether its sun, rain, hail or snow - i saw the temperatures said severe thunderstorms and rain with a flooding warning, that instantly turns 90% of 'fans' off from attending. then you factor in the cost to sit in the newly refurbished eastern stand has gone up $10.00 a ticket - the price increase has put off a lot of fans (the club was warned this would happen) the red army has been in disarray for a couple of seasons long-time popular capo stepped down, now it’s a woman in charge (only main supporters group headed by a woman in the a league) i have voiced my opinions/concerns last year (which resulted in alot of online abuse my way) about Adelaide being the only club trying to be inclusive (only club with a pride banner and a pride captains’ armband, as well as being the only club really doing anything in terms of trying to get aboriginal kids involved in the sport) constantly ramming it down people’s throats will have people get sick of these topics real quick - theres no better way to lose fans when you start mixing politics, religion and whichever social cause is the flavour of the month. the days of adelaide getting 11-13k per match are long gone, they won’t be back anytime soon. a realistic number would be between 8-9k - topped up whenever victory and sydney come to town

2022-11-01T01:04:28+00:00

Grem

Roar Rookie


The numbers at the T20 World Cup aren’t that flash either, apart from the India v Pakistan game. Plenty of 4000 and sub 4000 games. We’re not alone. Perhaps we should look at signing a couple of the best Indian footballers on marquee contracts to attract crowds. It ties in to our position in Asia.

2022-10-31T20:44:00+00:00

josh

Guest


Rubbish. The FA told us that the Macarthur region is supposed to be separate from Western Sydney yet whenever WSW play them they come out with this 'Western Sydney derby' name that is too ridiculous for words.

2022-10-31T02:56:36+00:00

Jichael Mackson

Guest


This is exactly the kind of animosity you build a real derby around.

AUTHOR

2022-10-31T01:53:10+00:00

David Shilovsky

Expert


The numbers are concerning. I don't know what's going on in Brisbane but from simple numbers it looks like they need to be at a proper modern ground in Suncorp (even though she's not that young). I'll keep an eye on it but it's a bit tiresome to cover crowds and ratings every week.

2022-10-31T01:43:53+00:00

Hopper

Roar Rookie


Felt sorry for the half decent crowd at the Macathur vs Sydney match. Trying to promote the game out west and Sydney closes up shop early in the second half. They deserved to be beaten. Cannot compare the two young WC hopefuls Azarni an Kuol. Totally different mindset on how the game should be played. The penny just hasn’t dropped for Azarni yet.

2022-10-30T23:01:57+00:00

NoMates

Roar Rookie


Dire crowds at Roar and CCM games only being 4k, VAR favors SFC once again cost the Bulls a point and Game of the round City drawing with Nixs. Again Saturday and Sunday games didn't rate at all (Below 20k) maybe they need to stop showing SFC every time and Adeliade as they dont rate.

2022-10-30T22:45:55+00:00

Lionheart

Roar Rookie


I sat a bit away from it but base my opinion on a video clip. You can clearly see Knowles arm has been held (his arm is wrapped under the defenders in the box), then the sleeve pull and a slight push he goes down. Looks like Charlie’s been coaching fall technique, but the point is, if they don’t go down nothing’s ever given. If the ref was right, no foul no pen, shouldn’t he have showed Knowles yellow for simulation?

2022-10-30T21:53:17+00:00

Grem

Roar Rookie


When each team can bring 10000 or more each to the stadium, it will be a derby.

2022-10-30T21:21:02+00:00

Waz

Roar Rookie


I’ve coached for 20+ seasons now and I’ve had plenty of players sent off (less than 10 in that time for the recor) but similar to contested/controversial yellow cards I always ask the Ref “for coaching purposes, what could he have done differently there?”. Most refs will give a good explanation of what they saw That enables me to focus my coaching not on the perceived right or wrong of the situation, but helping a player in playing to how officials might referee a given incident - in what they see and how they interpret it - which can help with a players decision making. In this case, I cannot see any other coaching advice to Holmes other than “don’t contest a 50/50 ball” and in fairness to Holmes when he came out of the box it was 70/30 in his favour when the ball was launched, it was only D’Aggers change of direction and speed that made it 50/50. The officials got it right, VAR decided to re-referee the incident which we were promised wouldn’t happen.

2022-10-30T21:12:43+00:00

Waz

Roar Rookie


D’Aggers was the only player to make contact with studs - are you suggesting the red card gets given to him instead?

2022-10-30T21:10:37+00:00

Waz

Roar Rookie


I was sat behind that Knowles incident and in line with Beath looking at the same thing, he goes down for dramatic effect at the end of the foul looking for the pen but Beath waves it away. The actual offence was shirt pulling which stopped Knowles in his tracks, and forces him inside. Beath can see the shirt pull (the shirt comes about 30cm away from his body, it’s a big tug!) but ignores it. That should have been a pen … but to be fair, officials seem to not care about shirt pulling anymore (although Beath did ping Roar for the offence outside of the box ten minutes later).

2022-10-30T18:26:02+00:00

Josh

Guest


Macarthur are not a rival for WSW, not even close. There's absolutely no chance we will give their existence credibility by having a derby with them.

2022-10-30T13:14:48+00:00

Lionheart

Roar Rookie


Aldred is not the quickest but he saved a few and had a great captain’s game. Led the team to another level of commitment. I haven’t seen the match on TV but it seemed to me that apart from Roar’s poor passing and poor possession, the worst on the park were the officials. Roar were given cards for actions that weren’t even fouled for Victory. At least two calls that I saw, one foul and one throw-in, were wrongly changed on the call of the Victory coach, who should be carded for seeking to influence officials. How is wrapping up the arm of an attacker on the ball in the box, and then pulling at his arm, in the box, and putting him down, in the box, not a penalty?

AUTHOR

2022-10-30T13:11:35+00:00

David Shilovsky

Expert


Sydney and Macarthur playing pretty cavalier football, while Wanderers are far more solid defensively. Will be interesting to see where each side finishes on the ladder.

2022-10-30T13:08:33+00:00

Sports

Guest


Studs out equals red. Double fists is fine though.

2022-10-30T12:55:48+00:00

Lionheart

Roar Rookie


It's a joke. Not one of the four officials watching live saw a thing or reacted in any way. The players did not react in any way. The away fans, fairly close to the action there, did not react. The useless radio caller not far behind me did not react. D'Aggers leads with a raised foot. D'Aggers stays down (not for the first time against his old club) and after some time the ref stops play for an injured (?) player. Popa blows up, VAR gets involved. Joke of a game. Meanwhile at the other end, Knowles arms gets wrapped up in the box on the ball by a defender who then pushes him enough to put him on the ground. VAR didn't even take a look. These refs are a joke.

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