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Joe,

The problem is the word “Foxtel”.

Can football survive without Foxtel – answer, Yes.

Can football survive without broadcast revenue – answer, No (not in its current professional form anyway).

Foxtel have gone from being a lifeline to the game to bring a choke on it.

Dear A-League fans, it's time to take off the rose-coloured glasses

The simplest step is to acknowledge there is a problem; somehow football (fans and administrators) have hidden behind a “she’ll be right, next year” mentality and clearly she hasn’t been right the next year.

APFCA don’t yet have full control, a sign of the complex mess behind the scenes, and the start to this season is perhaps a sign that they weren’t quite ready to take control. Writing off another year don’t be fatal but it will be costly

It’s concerning they haven’t done any fan consultation and whatever plans they have are their’s, and not “ours”. The story out today on the future of the W-League highlights this – some very good points in there and yet it’s been met with concern by very passionate and core fans. APFCA can’t afford to repeat the mistakes of the FFA imo.

Groundhog Day over again for football in Australia

Agreed. The guy who introduced VAR to football says it may take a decade to get right, that’s an awful prospect.

To me the whole thing wasn’t thought through well enough and the code kinda jumped in and made it up as it went along.

The match should stop during the VAR process

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The match should stop during the VAR process

Yeah, but most don’t do some form of nazi goose-step running through the box.

The defender was an idiot, he had no need to be flapping his arms around like that. He cost his team the game, not VAR

Love it or hate it, VAR was spot on during A-League Round 1

what he means is “the dive” and “the foul” are two separate points.

“the foul” occurred at the point of contact and does not require a player to fall over or go to ground for it to be a foul.

a player will often “dive” after the foul to highlight the fact to the referee. It doesn’t look right, and it’s probably not, but “the foul” has still been committed.

Love it or hate it, VAR was spot on during A-League Round 1

It can’t be a “clear and obvious error” for that foul. It’s a subjective opinion by the referee as to whether the offence deserved a red or yellow sanction.

Opinion can not be wrong, it’s subjective.

And in the case, in this match the only person that knows what tollerance the game is being officiated too is the referee on the ground … the person in Sydney in the VAR booth is not aware because s/he is not refereeing the game and a key concept of VAR is that it should NOT re-referee incidents.

The match should stop during the VAR process

It is not a redundant argument, it goes to the very heart of a key VAR issue.

Let’s change the scenario then:

It’s a corner, the attacking side sends the usual mob up to try and score from the corner. The ball comes in, ping pongs around a bit, but breaks to the defensive side who execute a swift counter attack and as they approach the half way line the breaking attackers now out number the defenders some of whom are well behind the ball from the corner.

BUT there’s been a possible incident and VAR review. The author would have us believe the game should be stopped, killing the promising counter attack while the review takes place.

Let’s say the review takes place and NO offence has been committed thus killing the counter attack and denying the possibility of a counter attack goal being scored for no reason.

The author is guilty of something called “framing”.

The question has been framed in such a way (WSW deserved a VAR Pen, Mariners might have scored but it would have to be ruled out, Controversy would follow etc etc) that the only correct answer must be to stop the game and do the review. In the narrow scenario the author presents that answer can be seen to be “correct”.

But by broadening the possible scenarios, as I have tried to do, and reframing more possible scenarios, it’s possible to see the game would be stopped incorrectly and a promising attack denied for no good reason other than to check if there was an offence, even when there wasn’t.

The whole deployment of VAR has been reactionary and as they fix one “problem” they create a new one. And the internet is such that people will complain just as loudly abut the new problem as they did the old one.

The end result is a chaotic approach to deploying a system that has a material impact on the game.

The match should stop during the VAR process

Even if that is true we have the same problem with a linesman calling it, that’s not a VAR issue.

Love it or hate it, VAR was spot on during A-League Round 1

Attendances were down by around 10% on the same round last year. The derby down by almost 20% on last year. Viewing similar.

These are facts.

Now yes let’s wait and see if subsequent rounds show an improvement, I hope they do, but we’ve started out poorly and that should be of concern.

Love it or hate it, VAR was spot on during A-League Round 1

That was a definite Penalty. In fact, the penalty should have been awarded for stupidity alone … what was the defender thinking flaying his arms around like that in the box???

Love it or hate it, VAR was spot on during A-League Round 1

Roar had a club record 10 debutants on display (an A League record apart from match 1?).

It showed at times in a somewhat confused display – but every Roar fan I’ve spoken to says the same thing – we would have lost that game last season.

We’re not quite back, but we may have stopped digging lol.

Groundhog Day over again for football in Australia

Groundhog Day is ultimately a film about redemption, nothing to do with love but saving an old mans life. Apt perhaps.

It’s too early to say on crowds and viewing but the early figures are not good. There is no “par” for the A-League – every season sees crowds and viewership down, down, down, down, down, and now – for the 6th consecutive season – they’ve started out down again!

If that trend continues the competition will cease to be. It cannot continue so we either reverse the trend, or we cut our cloth accordingly.

But we need to do something otherwise the lesson of Groundhog Day is lost upon us all.

Groundhog Day over again for football in Australia

There is such a thing as “the cure that kills the patient”.

That’s what we have now, the cure has largely fixed what was wrong but is damaging other areas of the game and too many paying customers don’t like it – a lesson in business: never berate your paying customers, even if you think they’re wrong, they can (and will) choose to stop doing business with you!

On that subject – how were attendances and viewing figures this weekend?

Awful you say … well at least we have VAR hey 😔

Love it or hate it, VAR was spot on during A-League Round 1

“Play shouldn’t continue while a decision is under review by VAR. Imagine, using Saturday’s game at Parramatta for example, if the Mariners had scored while the decision process was taking place and had their goal was overturned by an event that happened over three minutes beforehand“

What if Mariners HAD scored and the subsequent VAR review had instead shown no offence? In stopping the play for the review you are effectively denying Mariners that goal.

The first step in making a VAR-world work (or indeed a non-VAR world) is for football fans to stop complaining and finding fault with everything – nothing is perfect.

The match should stop during the VAR process

Ah, I see. You’re NOT talking about Brisbane Roar … you strange person you!!

Late drama as the Roar make their point

Well we easily beat SFC in the FFA Cup in what was Fowler tactically outsmarting Corica.

In this game they totally dominated Glory in the second half and nullified three of the best attacking players in the league.

So I’m not sure where you’re seeing similarities to last season?

Late drama as the Roar make their point

There’s a great film on Cloughie on YouTube, lasts about an hour and well worth a watch.

VAR has changed football, but we only have ourselves to blame

That’s a long time ago that change; I recall Brian Clough lamenting the fact of how any player could be in the pitch and not interfering with play lol.

VAR has changed football, but we only have ourselves to blame

Great to see more match reports popping up this season

Late drama as the Roar make their point

Fair points Mid.

However, I don’t attempt to set goals for the HAL (not sure Mike does either) but it’s important someone does right. And someone that can actually help make them happen to.

And just for the record, that “1 in 3” comes comes from surveys by one of the Roars supporters groups I’m involved with who survey members and constantly hit the 2/3 like VAR and 1/3 don’t figure (there’s a survey running on their FB page today and guess what … 1 in 3 don’t like the time it’s taking to come to VAR decisions lol)

VAR has changed football, but we only have ourselves to blame

“They got it wrong” is subjective of course. The system allows for the frame rate error but still relies upon (I think) the VAR ref to decide when the Ball is kicked introducing the potential for human error.

The margin of offside in this case was mm which makes many, including myself, uncomfortable in that it’s not being used to eliminate “the howler” which we were told is why it was necessary, it is being used to referee the game … and referee it down to mm.

But I will say this, VAR or no VAR, has the goal have been allowed your nemesis would have been complaining that it shouldn’t have been allowed because it was offside … can’t win which is kind op the point of the headline

VAR has changed football, but we only have ourselves to blame

As I say, they do take it in to account.

VAR has changed football, but we only have ourselves to blame

My boy is getting hooked in EPL and in now competes with his HAL interest (which is massive).

VAR has changed football, but we only have ourselves to blame

Franko

There’s no easy way to say this – but you don’t know the offside law based on that comment!

ROD was in an offside position when the Ball went over his head but the law is very clear, he isn’t considered off side.

(and as the ball from Holloway’s assist went backwards he can’t be offside there either)

VAR has changed football, but we only have ourselves to blame