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Yeah, it’s a left field rumour alright.

Although I could see New Zealand FA being very happy if they had three professional teams

The Roar's A-League Men tips and predictions: Round 26 - the jostle for finals positions is on in earnest

Well you’ve got one trophy in the cupboard Mid.

The Roar's A-League Men tips and predictions: Round 26 - the jostle for finals positions is on in earnest

Agree with most of that.

I would assume (if) a South Island team is to come in it would have to be Christchurch with both stadium and population?

The apparent rationale, or at least key, is support from FF NZ and an improved domestic tv contract with three teams not 1.

Given how hard expansion has been in Australia it’s difficult to see where they would go that’s not an established club eg south Melbourne tbh

The Roar's A-League Men tips and predictions: Round 26 - the jostle for finals positions is on in earnest

All good points.

Expansion is being made with the next tv contract in play – kind of short term pain for longer term gain – and they need more “content” meaning more games for our code.

I know from someone who would know, that QLD ratings have disappointed in line with Roar disappointing. And as the second biggest viewing market after NSWs they’ve been told to fix that – enter a Brisbane or Ipswich team to rival Roar as team 15.

(And surprisingly the 16th team is likely to be a THIRD Kiwi team — who would have called that one a few years back with Nix on the outer — with a South Island team possibly coming in)

The Roar's A-League Men tips and predictions: Round 26 - the jostle for finals positions is on in earnest

Actually it’s Graham Arnold’s fault …

#ArnieOut

The Roar's A-League Men tips and predictions: Round 26 - the jostle for finals positions is on in earnest

Agree with most of this.

Not convinced Halloran is a good signing – just being a Queenslander shouldn’t be enough: are they good enough, fit enough, & motivated enough?

Halloran doesn’t pass the sniff test as a good signing for me. Hope I’m wrong.

The Roar's A-League Men tips and predictions: Round 26 - the jostle for finals positions is on in earnest

BRI vs ADL – both clubs can mark the season an “F” but can exit the season with some hope: Adelaide’s hope is that they stop selling all the good players mid season, Roars hope that they sign some good players in the offseason. This will go one of two ways – a high scoring Roar win, or Roar’s useless attack fires blanks again for a comfortable away win.
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NEW vs CCM – ordinarily I’d back Mariners here, but wonder if off field distractions might catch them out. 2-2.
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WEL vs MAC – a tough one to call but recon Nix will nick it 2-1.
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MVC vs WSW – 4-1 to victory and Rudan misses finals. Only three more years of Rudan to go folks.
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SYD vs PER – this could be a routine win as Glory look to have checked out early, with a coach departing and Taggart heading back to Brisbane there won’t be a lot of heart in this one. 3-0.
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MCY vs WUN – sadly CFG make finals again and that is a blight on the competition. 2-1.
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CCM vs ADL – Mariners playing for the Plate and will get it with a tight win. In a final act of irony, Mariners will host the Grand Final but it will be sold to Perth so the Scabs can appreciate just what they did last season in supporting Danny’s folly
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The Roar's A-League Men tips and predictions: Round 26 - the jostle for finals positions is on in earnest

Foxtel used to broadcast it snd I watched a couple, Roar were always good for the Fair Play Award (and that’s about it lol). It wasn’t spectacular viewing to be fair.

APL's spin doctoring insults Australian football fans' intelligence - and might well be the last straw

Agree. The logic behind owning football clubs is rarely one based on a financial return.

CFG is an exercise in sports-washing where the money doesn’t matter.

And Melb City exist to assist Man City with their UEFA FFP rules.

If I won the USA $billion lottery I’d buy Roar – but it wouldn’t be for the money I’d make lol.

Multi-club ownership model: The good, the bad and the ugly behind football's newest structural trend

You need the games for development. Australians don’t play enough football as it is.

It doesn’t mean you need more teams though – 10 teams playing each other 4 times gives a 36 game season.

This is still light compared to the 50+ games most European players are playing each season. Even the MLS is playing a 34 round league season considered by many experts to be the minimum number of competitive games for development to occur.

Australia needs to decide whether it’s part of the world game or just a pimple on its backside … the success of our Matilda’s and Socceroos would suggest we want to be a part of it, as does the spectacular viewing figures for both – the Australian public want to be a part of that … and the A Leagues was the foundation of those teams.

Can we afford a national competition is a good question – it doesn’t look like we can.

APL's spin doctoring insults Australian football fans' intelligence - and might well be the last straw

Robbie Fowler to Victory. Yes please.

(and in a “good for the competition way).

APL's spin doctoring insults Australian football fans' intelligence - and might well be the last straw

I’ve no doubt Brisbane would have complained and remember Roar have history with FFA where we lost a Premiership to, checks notes, err to Adelaide when we lost three players for three games and were told any player not released for national duty (three friendlies) would be suspended for the 3-week duration … so Adelaide may not want to shout too loud on that point.

(And FA were so unsure whether they called him up or not they had to have an independent enquiry to find out lol – so the cynic in me says he was “called up” but they found a way out of the suspension)

APL's spin doctoring insults Australian football fans' intelligence - and might well be the last straw

There is a way back. But the clowns won’t find it.

APL's spin doctoring insults Australian football fans' intelligence - and might well be the last straw

Roar, under David Pourre, were the first club to propose an annual ANZAC Day game. For some reason they wanted it against Adelaide and not Nix?

There was a belief that given time it could be turned in to a genuine premium fixture, especially as Suncorp was free on this day (Broncos were routinely scheduled south for some reason).

Sadly Roar got one go at it but the following season multiple clubs had made the same request despite the challenges of stadium availability and then I think they all realised the same thing – the cost of renting, staffing, and Policing games on ANZAC Day are huge.

Sadly a good idea for BRFC was first diluted by Southern states (sound familiar?) and secondly the club dived nose first in to mediocrity and few wanted to watch. Even on ANZAC Day.

A familiar pattern for the A League emerging even back then – poor execution!

APL's spin doctoring insults Australian football fans' intelligence - and might well be the last straw

You’ve made the same mistake as the APL.

The Awards Night was not for media attention, it was for the players.

Cancelling it is equivalent to cancelling the company Christmas party – you can save a few dollars sure, but it’s bad for morale.

APL's spin doctoring insults Australian football fans' intelligence - and might well be the last straw

Former (and current) players know nothing about officiating a game – if they did they wouldn’t go off like chucks at pretty much every decision lol.

APL's spin doctoring insults Australian football fans' intelligence - and might well be the last straw

You can’t connect with the football base amongst a sea of negativity. It’s not easy I agree but first Gallop and now the APL make it much harder than it needs to be.

APL's spin doctoring insults Australian football fans' intelligence - and might well be the last straw

Your post sums up the problem perfectly.

The news should be about the football, but the clowns in suits at the APL find a way to make it not about the football with remarkable regularity.

APL's spin doctoring insults Australian football fans' intelligence - and might well be the last straw

You say “ One of those models has strong organic roots – it is sustainable long-term and will always be well-placed to weather good times and bad times”

Well, why did the NSL fail then – it literally collapsed leaving us without a top-flight competition for nearly two years.

Getting a football league to work is hard work, there isn’t one model that guarantees success or failure.

Even now, the worst A League average crowds are better than the best NSL crowds – do let’s be careful if we’re throwing rocks from the past.

And the ALW is waaaay better than the National some s league we had with the NSL … errr, wait wot … we didn’t have one??

Well I’m sure the new NSD will be taking care of that … err, wait wot??

The NSL shouldn’t have collapsed – the fact it did was down to mismanagement and vested self interests.

It had pro/rel then it didn’t … neither saved them.

They played in summer and winter, neither saved them.

They had “expansion clubs”, they changed traditional club names (yay, go the Lakers), they fiddled with the competition format, points system, broadcaster … it still failed.

There are lessons to be learned but (imo) no one is listening due to, err, self interest!

APL's spin doctoring insults Australian football fans' intelligence - and might well be the last straw

Leon,

That’s a really good post.

When you say “ Appointing RZ is sensible without being ambitious” I would agree, but also add that it’s a low risk approach as well.

We also need to hope Kaz & Zac stay at the club. Much as I have been disappointed by their communications this season I am prepared to concede that probably their worst sin was underestimating the hole the club was in, and even not realising what poor planning Fong had done eg planning to play at Ballymore without any working lights.

If I could go back to my posts from last year where I said we need to sign a center back and a proven goal scorer, it’s the same this year – only with Aldred and Trewens departure we need two CB’s.

It will be an interesting off season.

Sydney can't get past nine-man Bulls, Wanderers on life support, Cahn departs

This is not rocket science, marketing communications is basic stuff and getting it right is the very minimum … or at least not insulting the intelligence of your customers is.

Perhaps it’s no surprise that we’re now getting spin-doctored messaging treating fans like they are fools – there seems to be nowhere left to go?

Again, you have to wonder who thought appointing Nick Garcia, someone who’s rarely held a position down for more than 2 years, to lead a complex business in a state of almost constant chaos in one of the worlds most demanding sports markets was a good idea?

It’s certainly not looking like a good idea as the competition bumbles from one own goal to the next.

I guess being a former CFG employee helped – the suspicion on who makes all the decisions around here only grows with that.

The A Leagues – the home of the own goal.

APL's spin doctoring insults Australian football fans' intelligence - and might well be the last straw

Me2

It's time the APL came clean on the state of the game in the A-Leagues

Mike

I probably didn’t explain myself – the tournament is only big enough for three States with only 12th teams playing

You could put a group in NSWs but couldn’t split a group between two states. So basically three groups equals three states I’m guessing.

AAMI Park is too small for the competition, that would rule out Adelaide_as_well

It's time the APL came clean on the state of the game in the A-Leagues

That’s the problem with branding, we all see different things: I hated the Orange n White

Other than that deviation, a solid post 😛

Sydney can't get past nine-man Bulls, Wanderers on life support, Cahn departs

This has been your most optimistic and positive post all season. Maybe things are improving??

It's time the APL came clean on the state of the game in the A-Leagues

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