Studs and duds: Wallaby 'lacks maturity of a Test player', naïve leaders panned after 'pissing off ref'

By Tony Harper / Editor

After the neck rolls, should some heads roll?

Wallabies coach Dave Rennie made the point to Drew Mitchell in the aftermath of the Wallabies’ 13-10 loss to Ireland that the home team conceded more penalties in Dublin. But there are penalties and then there are brutal coach killers.

Put Folau Fainga’a’s yellow card brain snap into the latter category. The hooker’s form is in the basement right now but that staggering moment of ill-discipline was as predictable as it was avoidable. He looks long odds to be trusted by Rennie beyond this tour.

The Wallabies were on the attack when he committed the neck roll penalty – one of four in the game conceded by Australia. The whole Wallabies team had been put on notice by Ben O’Keeffe, who stripped an early Nic White try due to a neck roll call against Dave Porecki.

Folau Fainga’a of Australia, left, is shown a yellow card by referee Ben O’Keeffe. (Photo By David Fitzgerald/Sportsfile via Getty Images)

The Fainga’a card was a dumbfounding moment in a year of them.

Morgan Turinui is the most restrained member of the Stan Sport panel. Even he couldn’t help himself.

“Why are you doing that?’ asked Sean Maloney of Fainga’a as O’Keeffe held up the yellow card.

Turinui’s response: “The reason why is because you lack the discipline and maturity of a Test player.”

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Fainga’a’s moment made him an obvious target post-match.

“He sums up the Wallabies doesn’t he? That inconsistency,” said Jim Tucker on The Roar Instant Reaction podcast.

“I praised him this year for that more dynamic involvement away from just the rolling maul stuff,  getting some strong carries and being a bit fired up at times. But the inconsistency of being the neck roll guy, missing a line out throw, whatever, some of those are hard to cop.”

Brett McKay had Fainga’a as his falling stock from the game.

“I’ll happily throw Folau Fainga’a in there because he came on for Dave Porecki early on in the first half,” said McKay.

“He was in place when there had been penalties. He was in place when the warning was given to both teams that the next high-contact neck roll will be a yellow card, and he still went there. And that just shows a lack of rugby nous, general brains. I don’t know.”

Harry Jones, also on the Instant Reaction podcast, felt the yellow card situation was a failure of leadership at multiple levels within the Wallabies.

The team has now had 13 yellow cards and one red in losing 10 of their 14 Tests in 2022.

“It’s very difficult to judge this team right now. I guess the number one thing is they should start well, and then when you start that well, and you score and Nic White’s try’s taken away because of unnecessary neck roll, and then you keep neck rolling.

“That is a way of cleaning a ruck that has been coached.

“You just have to go back to coaching standards, leaders, captain, vice-captain, pack leaders, whatever, someone’s got to stop and say, no matter what you do, for the next 30 minutes, no one touches a neck because Ben O’Keeffe is all about the neck today.

Nic White of Australia tussles with Andrew Porter. (Photo By Ramsey Cardy/Sportsfile via Getty Images)

“That’s Test footy. I don’t know who to single out for that, because it almost feels unfair. It feels like a corporate problem, that the Wallabies are managing to stuff up their good beginnings. And then second, just continue doing something that’s pissing the referee off.”

The Wallabies were knocking on the door for a famous win over the world’s No.1-ranked team near the death when Jake Gordon was penalised.

“He has been terrific for the Waratahs every time he plays but it just doesn’t translate to Test football,” said Tucker.

Rennie brought back some of his big guns after the shock loss to Italy a week after, but he faced a significant casualty ward afterward with seven players hurt in the game.

Hunter Paisami has a medial ligament injury while there are fears that Taniela Tupou might have done an Achilles.

There were some encouraging signs for the under-fire Wallabies coach despite the loss and human wreckage.

Jordan Petaia had his best game in a Wallabies jersey after replacing Paisami and World Cup winner Tim Horan says he’s the front-runner to wear it at next year’s tournament.

“Jordie Petaia if he stay fit for the next 12 months he’ll start in the No.15 jersey at the Rugby World Cup,” said Horan on the Stan Sport coverage. “He’s an outstanding player, an X factor player.”

Turinui added: “He’s a light and shade player and we’ve seen so much of the lightness this evening.”

Tucker chose Petaia as his stock rising from the game.

“Jordie has had a really mixed year. He seemed like he was almost guaranteed some time at fullback earlier in the year, which was middling,” Tucker said.

“He just needed to come on but with no pressure, which was perfectly created by Paisami being injured and going off after three minutes.

“He just had a clear and free hit at the game and played really nicely with no dumb stuff.

“He showed what he can do with those quick changes of pace, got through the line a little bit in a game where no one got through the line.

“And then when he had that little blink to score a try just put on the afterburners and took it really well.”

Tucker was also impressed by Mark Nawaqanitawase on the wing, praising him for a spectacular grab of a high kick.

Harry Jones agreed. “I liked Marky Mark – thought he was very busy,” Jones said.

“He did a very good job of staying in touch. And I think that Ireland usually plays with the touchline as an extra defender so he did a very good job of staying in, keeping the ball alive.”

Jones also had praise for the locks – starters Cadeyrn Neville and Nick Frost and replacement Will Skelton, whose incredible play that sucked in four defenders set up the try for Petaia.

“The two locks faced a proper examination because James Ryan was in peak form and Tadgh Furlong is one of the best tight forwards in the world. And I feel like that was a standoff,” said Jones.

McKay added Jed Holloway to the list of impressive Australian forwards.

“He got through a mountain of defence, was good in the lineout, pulled off a couple of lineout steals when it counted, carried pretty well,” said McKay.

Tucker also called out Michael Hooper, who took over as captain after the departure of James Slipper.

“We can’t ignore that Hooper did what a number seven should do,” Tucker said.

“He made two super steals – his involvement all around the ball was significant. If we could get those two steals a game from Michael Hooper …

“Maybe I’m a dinosaur just thinking I want to number seven who just gets a couple steals. It changes the  whole tide of the game. And the ones he got were significant, so big plus to Michael Hooper.”

The game ended on an error from flyhalf Bernard Foley, who continues to divide fans.

“Nic White and Bernard Foley have done some really good things as a partnership,” said Tucker. “There will be people bagging of course. But Foley’s two tackles when they were down to 13 men were extremely good.”

Tucker felt the Wallabies were tactically improved.

“They didn’t play too much footy. I think there was a clear instruction that kicking and not having the ball would be an advantage in this game in some ways,” said Tucker.

“So they kicked a bit better. Some of the things aerially were much better. Like Nawaqanitawase catching a kick ahead and Petaia catching a kick ahead. They were important.

“Foley’s kicking for touch – there’ll still be moaners out there saying he’s a pop gun, but he kicked for touch nicely. Took the pressure on his shoulders.

“They had those raids, applying pressure in the Irish 22, where they kept the ball for 20 phases or 10 phases.”

But there was a sense of a missed opportunity with Skelton reduced to a bench role.

“You might have thought could we have Will Skelton on just for 60 seconds in any of those moments,” Tucker said.

“Late in the game when he attracted four players to stop him that finally created a mismatch and a bit of a disruption in the Irish defence and bang Petaia scores a try. There was some good things just good, steady and smart rugby.”

The Crowd Says:

2022-11-21T07:21:15+00:00

Ken Catchpole's Other Leg

Roar Guru


No jimmy, no mention of the word messiah.

2022-11-20T23:33:17+00:00

Tez

Roar Rookie


Yeah me too KCOL, I thought it should have been an Oz penalty. I have no idea what Ben O'Keefe saw to award the penalty to Ireland.

2022-11-20T20:45:57+00:00

Morsie

Roar Rookie


I have never worked within an organisation. Being "CEO level" (wow, big bloody deal), how does that make you specialist on mental health? I also have children older than him, both of them very successful in their fields, and therefore as a parent have considerably empathy for the man. Reading some of the awful, spiteful, repeatedly nasty comments on here about individuals who are out there busting a gut for their country - and who have parents, siblings, and spouses in many cases, just leaves me wondering about what mental health issues are driving this stuff. All the "coulda beens".

2022-11-20T20:37:46+00:00

Frank

Guest


We either don't have the rugby brains for chips over top or Foley wont depart from the game plan (erroneously)

2022-11-20T20:10:41+00:00

Passit2me

Roar Rookie


There was space in behind the Irish line, it just took us quite a while to use any of it. Loved watching Marky Mark flying like a Condor AFL style. So strong in the air and on his feet. Keep getting bigger and Faster please. I don’t really know why we didn’t chip over the top more. Perhaps we haven’t developed the skills to execute it precisely the way Barrett used to do so often. Had it on a string and is so effective in putting the defence in 2 minds and breaking up their structure as the game goes on. I still remember the chip over the top that Campo caught on the fly all those years ago. Just drifted over the opposition’s shoulder, only travelled about 10 feet into Campo’s arms. Made it look so easy. These little skills often make or break games, but we seemed to have forgotten about it unfortunately.

2022-11-20T19:02:49+00:00

Derek Murray

Roar Rookie


Don’t ask me

2022-11-20T18:56:50+00:00

Ken Catchpole's Other Leg

Roar Guru


“ AAA and Slipper played huge minutes and actually conceded the match winning penalty late” Yes, and could one of the props here talk me through it? I saw a strong Oz scrum that splintered the Irish?

2022-11-20T18:34:28+00:00

scrum

Roar Rookie


You are entitled to your opinion. I think Bennett a far more rounded player than Barry John . In my opinion Bennett and Gareth Edwards were perhaps the best 9-10 combination of all time. Re Wilkinson a great player, defensively great and courageous but not up there in terms of individual attacking skills. And I am not Welsh.

2022-11-20T18:02:47+00:00

The Ferret

Roar Rookie


With all the injuries we don’t have a lot of questions left un answered. I’m happy with a lot of the players being developed. Here is what I was hoping to have answered by the end of this tour that has not been answered. 1. Who is our back up 2? I’m happy with Poreki 2. Who is our back up 9? - white is the Starter 3. Who is our starting 15? We are good in props (even without Nella), hooker we need a back up, locks are great. 6, 7 and 8 are great. 9, we need a back up, 10 is the only disaster, 12 is great if injuries don’t kill us. 13 is great, wings are great and we have 15’s but no one special. Rennie will be banking on cooper being fit but if he goes down before or during the WC we dead in the water. I’m positive we can make a great run in the WC.

2022-11-20T17:58:19+00:00

Derek Murray

Roar Rookie


I wasn’t able to watch it live so have sat through it today. We showed huge courage dealing with so many setbacks. The attack wasn’t great but nor were Ireland. The TH side with Tupou and Skelton was huge as we’d hoped but it was only for 2 mins and one scrum. I’d be bold and suggest if Nella wasn’t hurt we win the game with a dominant scrum. Instead AAA and Slipper played huge minutes and actually conceded the match winning penalty late. nawaqanitawase and Petaia were good. Holloway and Frost were strong. Skelton had a huge impact. This wasn’t a game to start screaming for the axe to swing. I was proud of how they put in and hugely disappointed for them. Also, people here have been screaming for the team to be more competitive at the breakdown and here they definitely were. Ireland’s game is built on possession and we didn’t let them run phases together.

2022-11-20T16:00:16+00:00

Guess

Roar Rookie


Hope to see Donaldson but I think Rennie will play it safe in his last chance.. so White/lolesio hodge 15 or sub.

2022-11-20T15:40:15+00:00

Guess

Roar Rookie


lolesio plays like true 12

2022-11-20T14:18:15+00:00

West Aussie Exile

Roar Rookie


It was good to see the improvement but I honestly don't know if it represents a turning point or just a response to Italy game and some pride restored - I thought Ireland were ordinary which clearly helped us. I am at the Cardiff game next week and I have no idea what to expect -again! I would like minimal changes even though I realise there will be some due to injury and unavailability. I like the suggestion of Loselio at 12 and Donaldson starting 10, keep Ikitau at 13. I would like to see Hodge again at 15.

2022-11-20T14:04:11+00:00

frank

Roar Rookie


The scrum penalty. The Irish prop had a long chat to the referee after the wallabies were given a scrum penalty with TT involved. Chances are he was complaining that TT was boring in on the hooker because he does that all the time. Anyway AA gets pinged for not scrumming straight after that.

2022-11-20T13:57:05+00:00

frank

Roar Rookie


Not your fault, but yours is the comment I first saw that mentioned x-factor. Honestly Australian rugby could do with a lot less x-factor. There has been a sad history of x-factor players who can’t pass, tackle, catch, or know where to be at the right time. That said the players you mention had good games.

2022-11-20T13:46:13+00:00

frank

Roar Rookie


Most of the penalties you call neck rolls had contact to the upper body or neck but no attempt to roll. The problem is that for years neck rolls were not penalised and so became part of players instinctive reactions. It is easy to make judgements when watching, but players are making split second body movement decisions. Imagine how well a batsman would do against a fast bowler if he had to think about what he was going to do.

2022-11-20T13:45:45+00:00

Dida

Roar Rookie


Also don't understand not using Skelton front he start once again. His last game for us in such a big game...should have been out there guns blazing from kickoff. No idea why Gordon was picked on the bench again..I would have sat him out after his form and the costly penalty against Italy. I like Rennie but the selections just seem erratic at best.

2022-11-20T13:39:28+00:00

frank

Roar Rookie


I laugh every time I hear someone crap on about discipline. Rugby is a game of technical cheating. The team that cheats best wins the penalties. The whole idea that adherence to the laws avoids penalties applies to junior rugby and nothing else.

2022-11-20T12:43:42+00:00

The Late News

Roar Rookie


Actually Morsie I spent some time considering your reply...if you think what I said now or whenever is awful then I can only disagree. Happy to talk it through of course. Whenever I am actually on a grid of some kind. The point you missed is leadership. It's perfectly ok to say no, or not now. Here's a question for you. How many leadership positions have you been in? And how high in an organisation? I have been CEO level for nearly 20 years. We can cross swords anytime if you like. I said what I said and I actually meant it. I have children older than him so I have a decent idea, however I have never captained the wallabies.

2022-11-20T12:32:43+00:00

Handles

Roar Guru


You forgot Jake Gordon.

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