The Thursday Two-up: what have we learned and who has surprised on the spring tour

By Brett McKay / Expert

So the autumn nations series, the November internationals, the spring tour are all nearly done barring two more money-spinning games this weekend in Cardiff and at Twickers.

But what do we know about our teams now that maybe we didn’t six weeks ago? Or what did we fear that has absolutely come home to roost? Have the Rugby World Cup sweats started already, a year out?

We’ll be back next week to conclude the tour and the rugby year of 2022, so this week it’s time for the lessons learned.

And yes, ‘lessons’, kids. ‘Learnings’ is not a word.

Question 1: Simple question, probably a difficult answer: what have you learned about your team during this series of Tests?

Brett

Unfortunately we’ve learned nothing about the Wallabies we didn’t already know.

They’re still giving away way too many penalties in general and far too many brain-dead, stupid penalties. And they’re still going at worse than a card a game.

They’re still going pretty well at the set piece, which has probably kept them in a number of games if we’re honest. But the attacking maul has all but disappeared – they’ve not scored a maul try since Folau Fainga’a barged over in the first Test against England in Perth, in early July – and I cannot work out why.

Yes, a misfiring lineout on this tour has been a factor, but I can’t remember when they last attempted a lineout drive in the corner. Every other team seems to have a functional attacking maul, but I’ll say it again: the Wallabies haven’t scored a maul try since the first weekend in July. That one was their second of the season, and they’ve bagged 30 more since then.

It’s hard to read what the team is trying to do because of the selection carousel, and who knows what we’ll get for Wales this weekend. Who knows who’s left fit and available.

Which I suppose is a long way of saying that we’ve learned the Wallabies are still consistently inconsistent.

Or inconsistently consistent. There may or may not be a difference.

Digger

At times I feel quite frustrated. as an 80-minute performance continues to elude this All Blacks side.

But at the same time, taking the full season into account, there are reasons for optimism, as very real changes have been made to the side’s approach and significant improvements have been made to both personal and strategy, particularly in the forwards, which has provided a far more positive outlook for bigger challenges to come in 2023.

The All Blacks are far from favourites for the big dance, but their upward trend on this tour suggests some rewards are ahead.

And while there is still plenty to work on, such as game management and bench selection, this tour has shown me that this side is heading in the right direction.

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Geoff

It’s clear that the All Blacks aren’t anywhere near as bad as many people were claiming, but they’re not anywhere as good as they need to be either. The set piece is solid, and when they are on – that is, when their cleanout is in synch and Aaron Smith is put on the front foot – the scoring potential is still there and they are as good as, if not better than, any side in the world.

However, when they are off, they forget to go direct, lose their connectedness in attack and become too passive in defence, and they can look very ordinary.

I maintain that the fade-out against England will serve New Zealand well as a reminder of how narrow the margins are at the top and that nothing less than complete 80-minute efforts will do.

We also learned that halfback depth is a real issue. I like the look of Cam Roigard, and he has an opportunity during Super Rugby to take a big step forward.

For the Wallabies, it’s clear that some players haven’t learned anything when it comes to maintaining discipline. The rest of us have learned – or had it confirmed – that despite all of the injuries and self-implosions, this team isn’t too far off the mark.

The loss to Italy was hugely disappointing, but this was mostly the ‘development’ side. The first-choice side – still with a number of high-class players to add back in – is where we need to be looking, and their performances against France and Ireland, both matches that easily could have been won, show the Wallabies in a slightly more positive light.

Clearly they’re a long way off winning a World Cup, but for as long as a gap between the top-ranked and ninth-ranked teams stays as tight as it is and recidivist individuals pay a real price for failures in discipline, the lesson for Wallabies fans is to keep the faith.

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Harry

I’ve relearned the value of Willie le Roux as a space organizer, coach on the pitch, try-creator, passer of many styles and competitive driver.

I’ve learned the Springboks pack is still the hardest in world rugby. France is close, but not yet as hard. I’ve learned there is depth in all positions except No. 10.

I’ve noticed how much Lukhanyo Am is missed in the red zone.

Nobes

Los Pumas fail to maintain concentration and energy after facing a Tier 1 team again and Michael Cheika refuses to rotate some players from one week to the next.

The most important issue lies in Nos. 8, 9, and 10.

It is difficult to understand why Pablo Matera is playing in a position not natural for him while a player like Facundo Isa, a natural No. 8, starts only from the bench later in the game in the blind side.

The problem at No. 9 lies in the strategy chosen to play. Gonzalo Bertranou does not have a reliable kick to either the sideline or the box. He is also a bit slow with his pass. There are not many solutions to this position since the alternative, Tomas Cubelli, has been injured for quite some time. His issue of playing in a team has not been solved, and if he does not achieve that, it would not make much sense to take him to a World Cup.

The alternative today is Lautaro Bazan Velez with extensive experience in rugby sevens but almost zero in 15s.

The flyhalf issue is not something new; it comes from the time of Mario Ledesma, who decided to experiment with Santiago Carreras in that position. The very talented player left his natural position as fullback or wing to participate in this experiment that continued into the Cheika era with less than satisfactory results.

What will become of the life of Domingo Miotti, Tomás Albornoz or the experienced Benjamín Urdapilleta, who cannot find playing minutes with Los Pumas? At this point it is preferable to have a player who is not so talented but who does not make so many mistakes in decision-making or execution. Are Cheika and co. thinking of taking Nicolás Sánchez to the World Cup?

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It would be a very risky bet considering the physical fragility that the player has been outlining in a string of injuries.

The truth is that these experiments are not giving results and perhaps the players should be played in their natural positions where they play every weekend in the most important leagues in Europe. Los Pumas players do not have much time together to train that many options. For players playing in very different systems, oiling the basics becomes even more difficult.

It seems that Argentina pretends to play the way they did in the Rugby World Cup in 2007, but a word of advice to Felipe Contepomi and Juan Martín Fernandez Lobbe: These Pumas do not have players on the likes of Agustín Pichot and Juan Martín Hernández driving the team.

Question 2: Who has been a player from your team who has surprised you with the way they’ve stood up on this tour? It doesn’t have to be a new player, just someone who’s really caught your eye that maybe you weren’t expecting to.

Brett

Nick Frost is an obvious Wallabies standout on this tour, and I’ve been impressed with Jed Holloway’s big improvements around work rate as this series of Tests has gone on. I absolutely endorse what you’re about to read from Geoff for this question too.

But I’m going to throw up Michael Hooper as the surprise standout, and it might raise a few eyebrows, but just run with me here.

I’m sure I wasn’t alone in worrying about him being thrown straight into starting his first Test back in the squad, and with no rugby under his belt since he left Argentina. There were plenty of comments and suggestions around here thinking a bench return was the best option for the Scotland Test – if indeed he was ready to play at all – and even more when he was named to start.

But he was one of the Wallabies’ best that night, has been most nights since and has just got better every week.

He was absolutely magnificent last weekend in Dublin, and I think we rugby writers and Wallabies fans alike have maybe become so used to Hooper standing out that we were probably guilty of underselling him last weekend.

To have made the tough call to leave the national squad was one thing, but the way Hooper has come back has been even more impressive.

Which makes his being ruled out of the Wales game earlier this week all the more disappointing.

(Photo by Daniel Pockett/Getty Images)

Digger

Certainly players in the older brigade, Aaron Smith in particular, have stood out. They’ve shown their class and worth to the side still. It’s ever so important to have that experience firing and in form.

Tyrel Lomax continues to impress at tighthead. His transformation has been quite stunning.

But I would probably suggest Jordie Barrett overall has impressed me the most. While I have wanted to see him at No. 12 for some time, I thought it was a mistake to move him there at this level and would have preferred a full season in Super Rugby before attempting the transition to Test level.

But he has taken to it like a duck to water, looking assured with and without the ball. He will only get better the more games he has, and that is a big plus in what has been a difficult position recently for the All Blacks.

Geoff

The surprise for the All Blacks was the emergence of Mark Telea from nowhere to first-choice right wing. It’s not unusual for a new Test winger to make a splash on arrival; the harder job is to kick on and take things to a new level without the element of surprise. But these are promising early signs.

It’s a similar story for the Wallabies, with a winger stepping up as the big surprise packet. This time a year ago Mark Nawaqanitawase was light years away from Wallabies selection, seemingly having gone backwards with the Waratahs in the 2021 season.

What’s apparent today is that his apparent timidness and drop in pace were injury-related, and now, restored to full fitness and with confidence levels rising, we are seeing the real footballer emerge.

Credit also to the Waratahs program under Darren Coleman and to the Wallabies A program, which has provided a stepping stone for players like Nawaqanitawase to transition into Test rugby.

Harry

Kurt-Lee Arendse has been brilliant.

He is strong in the air against bigger men, fast to the gap, clever with the boot and bravely technical in the tackle.

Nobes

The props Eduardo Bello and Thomas Gallo have been a pleasant surprise in positions where Los Pumas have been suffering for quite some time. They looked very solid in the scrum and in defence.

Another player I liked despite not playing for a long time was hooker Ignacio Ruiz. At first it caught my attention that Santiago Socino was not selected for that position due to his great moment in Gloucester, but Ruiz more than justified his inclusion.

Over to you

What have you learned about your team this series?

And who’s been your surprise player on tour this autumn nations series?

The Crowd Says:

2022-11-25T02:46:52+00:00

Carlin

Roar Rookie


1. The All Blacks have developed a habit of starting well and not finishing strong. This is a reverse trend from their poor start to 2022. It is a concern as Rugby World Cup knockout games will not be won in the first 20 minutes and also raises concern about some bench/second string players. On the upside, the forward pack has improved significantly this year and the games against Wales and England were promising signs. 2. Two players for me. I have always had a soft spot for Scott Barrett but really loved his efforts in November, whether at lock or blindside. The key question is where does he play? as he needs to start. Tyrel Lomax has significantly improved as an international prop and made a big statement against England. Love the progress he has made through 2022.

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2022-11-25T00:23:06+00:00

Brett McKay

Expert


Hooper and Kerevi were both nominated for PotY last year, and both made the TotY too, yes Cec..

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2022-11-25T00:20:26+00:00

Brett McKay

Expert


Interesting Dusty, some logic in the conclusion you've reached..

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2022-11-25T00:18:27+00:00

Brett McKay

Expert


To say the very least, Dusty! 40+ seperate injuries to nearly 30 different players is more than a bit unlucky!

2022-11-25T00:15:45+00:00

Dusty10

Roar Rookie


Hi Deano. I'm going to pose a different view; our apparent discipline issues often happen when we're struggling. I think we can all agree that our backs have been underwhelming overall as they struggle to score points. Great individual talents, and good individual performances at times, but little cohesion and no clear plan. We build plenty of rucks, get plenty of ball, and basically get tired and frustrated. Then we're placed under the pump and have to compete hard just to stay in it. A lot of our discipline issues then come to the fore. I actually don't think we're any worse than any other team WHEN we're actually playing better rugby than the opposition. Our issue is that we have rarely been playing the better rugby.

2022-11-25T00:10:45+00:00

Dusty10

Roar Rookie


The good news is that we're at the last test of the season Brett. Some much needed recovery time. There will come a time when we can start a very strong team across all positions, we've just been unlucky. To say the least.

2022-11-25T00:06:30+00:00

Dusty10

Roar Rookie


G'day Brett, good questions re: Foley vs Lolesio, which I'll have a crack at answering. With regard to skill levels and physical ability, the answer is no, Foley doesn't offer more than Lolesio. We've all seen Noah do some fantastic things; quick stepping, runs good lines, has a great pass on both sides, defends well. Being younger, he's faster and has more 'elastic' athletic ability. This isn't the issue. The issue seems to be personality/confidence. Foley wants the ball and wants to really challenge the opposition, and Noah doesn't. Foley actually steps up and runs the show, Noah doesn't. There have been a few suggestions re: why, but the only one that now makes sense is actually personality, or perhaps temperament is the better term. Noah is not a leader, and your 10 always has to be. Not captain, but a leader. I'm disappointed to have reached this conclusion, but I firmly believe it's the correct one. I advocated strongly for Noah in the past knowing what he could do, but now realise he's not going to be that 10 I wanted him to be.

2022-11-24T11:48:59+00:00

The Late News

Roar Rookie


Brett...currently in the middle of nowhere again. Last big trip of the year. While I'm away can you please come up with a short list of pub test questions? I intend to spend some time doing research for you over Xmas!

2022-11-24T11:07:35+00:00

Cec

Roar Rookie


Thanks Brett for your article and questions. #1 this WB team under DR has some ticker. They gave it a shake against the IRE and FRA despite all the issues with silly mistakes, penalties, YC, player availability and injuries this tour. If we can reduce the mistakes and sort out the injuries, I can see why Wobblies are the dark horse for RWC23. #2 it has to be Frost. For him to go from Brums reserve to likely RWC23 starter has been a huge leap in a short space of time. I also agree with you on Hooper & nothing but respect for him. Hoops showed why world rugby has rated him so highly over the years. Wasn’t Hoops selected at 7 for the World Team in 2021?

2022-11-24T10:16:10+00:00

LuckyPhil

Roar Rookie


I agree that younger 10s should be tried, but it shouldn't be Noah. The WBs, brumbies and reds have to play off the 9 out of necessity and it's not working. At this stage I'd go all in on Donaldson but put there only 1 game left.

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2022-11-24T09:25:27+00:00

Brett McKay

Expert


Maybe even less..

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2022-11-24T09:24:04+00:00

Brett McKay

Expert


It's a little bit of all of that Glenn, but the repeated penalties for the same thing is the headline - and regardless of how you want to argue it, the Wallabies conceded three neck roll penalties in the first 27 minutes, Ireland a couple as well and then a high tackle, which prompted Ben O'Keeffe to give the flat warning: next one goes. Folau Fainaga'a went there and paid for it..

2022-11-24T09:23:57+00:00

Perthstayer

Roar Rookie


Thanks. So no more sophisticated than I suspected!

2022-11-24T08:58:37+00:00

Glenn

Guest


I'm confused about the first point. Are the Wallabies that much poorer than the opposition in regards to discipline. When looking at the gross stats (ESPN) of penalties? Scots v Aus - 14-15, Fra v Aus - 10-11, Ita v Aus - 9 - 16 (yes ananomoly), Ire v Aus - 12-12. So can you clarfify please Brett. What other dimensions need to be included - location on the field? the type of infringement (neck role Arriving players must not wrap and roll the neck of the jackler to remove them from the contest or bring them to ground. Well that's not Law 9.20.b. - A player must not make contact with an opponent above the line of the shoulders. Yes a penalty for FF but not the same as what DP did and therfore shouldn't have been a YC)? When comparing Aus performance against other team in the same match with the same officials. Apologies if you have already covered this elsewhere. Yes Wallabies should do better but this constant baying of how bad Wallabies are doesn't appear to pass a simple pub test?

2022-11-24T08:08:12+00:00

Jacko

Roar Rookie


We desperately need a comp to stop the development of Friendlies. I doubt England would have kicked out if they had needed a win in that game to finish better in a World tier 1 comp.

2022-11-24T08:06:00+00:00

Jacko

Roar Rookie


From what I know NZR has the power to move a player if they would prefer to see that player getting game time but I dont believe they have the power to force it. It only happens if the player is keen but I suppose most players would consider it if NZR approached and said "hey we want to see more gametime from you" particully if uncapped and desperately trying to become an AB. Yep a natural footballing 12 has the ability to change the needs from other positions for sure.

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2022-11-24T07:58:00+00:00

Brett McKay

Expert


Don't NZ still have their draft, Jacko? Isn't the issue now more around warehousing? It's an interesting point you make about 12, too. I do wonder which team will be the first to go away from the ball-tucking 12 and bring back the natural football, pseudo 2nd playmaker. In turn it might bring back long-kicking fullbacks..

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2022-11-24T07:47:08+00:00

Brett McKay

Expert


No, it's got nothing to do with me Phil, nor who I am or am not a fan of. And I've been pretty consistent on this Foley v younger players question. I only used Lolesio because you mentioned him, and I've thrown Donaldson and even Edmed into this question regularly. The point is the Wallabies in 2022 are playing off 9, just as the Brumbies switched mid-year, and even as Qld did more of once O'Connor went down. So flyhalf run stats are down because that's the way the game is being played currently. Foley's numbers on this tour don't make for great reading either, though he's been able to pick a moment in some games since his recall. But the question remains. I'm far from convinced about Foley, and there's a huge question on whether Cooper gets back - yet there is no desire to back any of the young 10s, and that doesn't make sense to me..

2022-11-24T07:27:59+00:00

Graeme evans

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Wallabies need to play a territorial game. Rugby hasn’t changed that much over the last decade. Don’t kick to teams that run. Get rid of the box kick altogether. Kick for the line instead. Or just run the ball when in the opposition half but learn to run in a pack . Also as a general rule you kick for goal when trailing, you go for the line out when you are ahead. Against France, the goal was an easy option but it didn’t win the game. Kicking for the line and keeping the play down the French end of the field should have been the objective. Need smarter decision makers.

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2022-11-24T07:11:33+00:00

Brett McKay

Expert


Because that's apparently easier than even simply copying and pasting 'Nawaqanitawase' from pretty much any rugby story at the moment... :roll:

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