The A-League is back in red-hot form - so where are the crowds?

I look back at this now JB, after hearing that Moon is gone. I like the effort that Roar players put in, much more than I've seen in any other team, they just work their butts off. It's hard to take continuing losses, but I've enjoyed us being in the contest nearly every week. I think Moon lost two matches badly (4-1, 3-0), otherwise the losses have been very narrow and could have been wins but for a ref decision (that other refs would not have made), a lucky bounce or a very silly error. Outcoaching? I refer to matches where several much better teams have struggled against us, caught unaware by the way we've played. From what I've read, Moon had an enviable coaching record at Peninsula Power and Lions, before Roar. But in the end, as you say, it's about goals and winning, and we've not been getting either of those. Another phase passes, who knows what now.

Maybe you should be the one reviewing their posts little buddy. The hypocrisy and contractions are astounding. You are so busy spewing terms you really do not understand you’ve literally spun it around into ‘I know you are but what am I’. Feel free to say what you like but don’t get all bent out of shape when someone puts you in your place. I’ll be waiting.

Para, GP has bailed out but Nat is still going. He doesnt get it. Have a look at the continued discussion. It speaks volumes.

see if you were astute, observant, call it what you will, and I mean that in the most polite manner, you'd would take a step back and look at your posts. You're becoming defensive, and what appears to be frustrated. You told me not to take pot shots and yet you've just taken aim at my socio-economic status. Remember what I said about assumption. As I said, I have no issue with you supporting another code if you wish. Unlike downtown Red Square, Moscow, we have free speech here, and thus i have expressed my opinions. I have also made observations and I will continue to make observations if you give me reason to. Think!!

Much like the A League a $5 is all you could afford and you'd lose that too. Please, tell me more about how soccer is overtaking the Aust landscape? 1m participants!! As it has for 2 decades and yet is still broke, can't get a crowd and lowest TV audience in the country. More people turn out to watch an NRL trial than your best game. There's another fact, now take your time and create another fallacy you haven't thought through.

Again you project an image of yourself that speak volumes. If you actually read and analysed the posts made by genuine football supporters we’re talking about Australian football. I’ll rest a fiver says you didn’t watch the Matildas tonight. When do you see or have you seen Leckie Goodwin Mabil Souttar Kewell Cahill Schwartzer Chipperfield Maclaren Polkinghorne Kerr Salisbury Carpenter Barbieri and a list of hundreds more Australian footballers on the television for drugs, drink drive, domestic violence assault drunk and disorderly. There is a reason Rugby League fields are being consumed by football in supposed RL heartland like Newcastle.

Oh the hypocrisy. How about having a look in the mirror my boy. You have no credibility and not one person cares for your observations. While you are creating these “subliminal” accusations I’m looking at empty stands and banned fans at A League and not for the first time. Should I mention Bulut or Cavallo. How about you good folk at Leichhardt during the Aust Cup match? Nothing subliminal about this is there? Should we look at the quality in your code overseas – let’s start with Alves. You keep making up your own little stories and I’ll sit right here on the facts boy.

you want to keep going, no problems. You obviously enjoy supporting and proving my observations. Again, you have glossed over the fact that I work on gratitude, respect and humility. Again, you assume that that my comments are gospel, when they are purely observation. If you want to come to this forum, participate and engage whilst demonstrating the respect and conduct of the core participants and contributors, i will show all the respect in the world, because you have earned it. That includes not supporting a recalcitrant presence like Old Mate. And to be quite honest I could not careless as to whether you support Kalathumpian Frog Racing. What I object to is A) the support of a very negative, objectionist and downright disrespectful presence on this particular forum. The thread you and I continue to engage in at your behest is the result of a negative presence who has no validity on this forum. B) the fact that Old Mate completely ignored the requests for departure from the forum and C) Old mate was demonstrating his support for AFL in a big way, well how does AFL garner any respect, validity or demonstrate any integrity when a player in the immediate past is busted of drugs and the result is a fine and he has to sit out a grand total of two matches, albeit pre-season matches. This is sending so many wrong messages, but hey they’re supported by the likes of Kerry Stokes and Rupert Murdoch. so they can do what they like, they have the media code alliance. Why should I show respect for a code that is subliminally condoning a drug culture. Those that want to support that sort of culture, well they invite observation and observation would proffer serious questions about standards and ethics.

Your mistake is assuming you have any credibility to offer anything. This is not your house it is a public forum and when you speak the nonsense you do others will come at you. Don't assume those you think little of your opinions are not fans of football, it is 100% you.

Ok, so I offered unambiguous, honest advice, but it appears we now have to bring it down to the lowest common denominator. What has occurred here is that someone who is not exactly a football supporter has incurred the space of those that are. This is the equivalent of you walking into my loungeroom flopping down on the sofa, taking control of the tv remote and when asked if you could return to your own loungeroom, old mate and those that support him, flick the bird. I am sure that in real life you would not do this. I am sure that if you were,or are a parent, you would not encourage your kids to do this. So why do you do it here? The regulars here are not culpable of the same behaviour in the league space, they leave you to it. To be frank this sort of incursion is flat out obnoxious. And condescending comments are both cheap and demeaning, and not to me. Just call it a day and everyone can walk away agreeing to disagree.

So... if the Swans have 30,000 people each week attending...and the Tigers and Eels have 300,000 watching on tv every week... pray tell, where are the WSW fans? They sure as hell aren't at games or watching on telly.

Lionheart - God to hear from you again, thought you had maybe gone back to the "ould country". Your article confuses me just a little, you appear to be trying to protect Moon, comparing him with people who in their own right had proved themselves, Postecoglu and Fowler to mention two, Postecoglu got his experience playing with, and coaching, South Melbourne to NSL champioships, before turning to full time coaching. Fowler's experience was had playing, and being coached, with one of the world's top teams. and if you know his story, you will also know he is an astute business man. Your first sentence in your article I support 110%. Fans do love a winning team and this has been proved in countries all over the world. Roar fans have now gone a few years without that incentive to attend, and it appears the management of the club do not recognise this problem. You go on to say Moon has outcoached most teams this season and I can't quite work out your logic in that statement for you go on to name lack of goals, poor passing, squad selection, and scouting, as Roar's weaknesses, and from my experience, all those flaws ad their "repair" are part and parcel of what a coach is hired to do. You then go on to criticise "the fans", what for?, staying away from the games. True story. I was approached by a fellow golfer just this week who asked me how he could subscribe to Paramount plus,as he no longer felt like attending games. This guy. and his wife, were fully paid up members of the Roar for many years. What do you say to people like that?. As I've said to you before, keep the faith. Cheers jb.

If Qatar plays Australia in June or September they will turn off the air conditioning, they couldn't do so at the world cup but they will do it in qualifiers. NZ when are we going to play them and when will they ever use it anyway.\ I can see a few countries taking it up namely UAE and Saudi Arabia but they will never turn on either.

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mate we're on the same side of the coin here. my push for creative thinking doesn't include making it more 'australian', just that we don't need to be beholden to a euro model, or an MLS model, or any model in totality. we could easily implement the best bits in to a hybrid style competition model, that would make us unique, but we refuse to do it.

Hi Cameron...we do spend a ridiculous amount of time on this particular merry-go-round don't we. The stat that has always interested me the most.....is that a club averaging 10k is apparently drawing on a pool of around 50k unique ticket sales ( I believe Roar did the numbers a few years back) So if the people who already come to games, attended a little more regularly then the game would be in rude health....we are talking converting 5 games to 7/8, 8 to 10/12 that sort of magnitiude.....supposedly that is enough to turn a 10k average into 15-16k I believe very strongly that is where the answer lies....and not changing Football to Otherfootball to please Otherfans....it carries with it a really ugly undertone that the game is somehow not Australian ( ie white) enough ....that it needs to be more Shtrayan to be legitimate. Do that and you will lose a lot more fans than you gain....me to start with. Now im off to the grooky tab to explain that they need to instal a crossbar and make the field rectangular before i will consider attending.

1. Provide me with factual information on where the AFL/GWS said it would be a cakewalk. 2. Gil wasn't the CEO at the time of GWS's inception, nor the WSW when they entered the A-League. I think you're making stuff up to suit your narrative.

1. Provide me with factual information on where the AFL/GWS said it would be a cakewalk. 2. Gil wasn't the CEO at the time of GWS's inception, nor the WSW when they entered the A-League. I think you're making $h!t up to suit your narrative.

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yeah fair points Marco, but the fact is that the reality of the market is that australian soccer needs casual fans to survive. we go around and around on all these points, but we're not the number one sport in this country. we're competing for fourth or fifth, with the rise of the NBL (on the back of NBA culture becoming a global phenomenon). since inception, the a-liga did nothing to disrupt the market in any creative way. now the overwhelming suggestion to fix it is...another non-creative, non-disruptive idea of promotion and relegation featuring legacy NSL clubs. it just makes me chuckle.