REACTION: 'They don't trust coaches' Stuart angry at independent doctor call, Ciraldo 'confused too' at player removal, Latrell set for PCL scan

By Mike Meehall Wood / Editor

Raiders coach Ricky Stuart is not a fan of independent doctor after having two players assessed for head injuries during their 19-18 loss to the Cowboys on Saturday night and feels the NRL and Rugby League Players Association (RLPA) “don’t trust coaches”.

“Do you think I’d let a player play if they had a concussion or is concussed?” asked Stuart during the post-match press conference.

“I don’t just trust the players’ comments when they come to the sideline in regards to that.”

While Stuart agreed with Corey Harawira-Naera being taken off for an assessment he argued about fullback Sebastian Kris, saying he wasn’t showing any symptoms to warrant being checked.

“When he’s [Kris] down getting his leg attended to and I ask him and there was no fatigue and no pain in his eyes in regards to when he came off, he was very coherent,” Stuart said.

“That didn’t help us in that game. That’s where I talk about toughness [of the team in that game], there was two of them.

“Yep OK, Corey may have had the H.I.A. We had to serve two players there in very important positions for 30 minutes in that game. But the RLPA, they don’t trust coaches.

“All they want to do is come talk to me about how much more time off the players are going to get and how much more money.”

While Cowboys coach Todd Payten admitted in his post-match press conference that he likes “if you lay down and try to milk a penalty then you have to come off” he also said that “the NRL have made the changes based on lack of trust and I’m happy to continue with that.”

Despite the final scoreboard reading 19-18 in favour of the Cowboys, Stuart was very proud of his side for not only their heroics in defence but for also clawing their way back to 18-all.

Knowing that the margin could have been much wider given the attacking flare of the Cowboys in the first half, Canberra showed determination and resilience that should put them in good stead for the season ahead, and Stuart was full of praise for his troops.

“I know they’ve got the heart in them and the guts. If we didn’t use so much juice in the first half, we win that match.

“That defence tonight, being game one of the year…….we’ve had some great defensive moments over the years…..tonight equals it.

“That was an unbelievable defensive effort.

“The way we fought back, I’m very proud.”

Ciraldo ‘confused too’

Cameron Ciraldo has added his voice to those questioning the decisions of the independent doctor in the Bunker after Jacob Kiraz was taken off the field at a crucial juncture of the Bulldogs’ 31-6 loss to Manly.

Kiraz looked bemused as the touch judge told him to leave for a HIA with Manly set to drop out from under their own posts and the scores tied at 6-6.

In the time that he was off, the Sea Eagles broke down the wing on which he would have been stationed, creating an opportunity from which Kyle Flanagan was binned for a professional foul, and then scored moments later in the same corner.

It is the second time in as many days that the independent doctor has come under fire, with Kalyn Ponga taken off with the game on the line in Friday’s early kick off between Newcastle and the Warriors.

Ciraldo said neither he nor Kiraz knew what was going on.

“I was confused too, because I didn’t see him get knocked,” said Ciraldo after the match.

(Photo by Cameron Spencer/Getty Images)

“Obviously someone picked it up. We were in a good spot, we had them on their line and we were looking pretty good, so for that change to happen with a lot of confusion around it, we didn’t handle that real well. 

“I haven’t seen the incident where he got hit yet, he might have got a big knock on his head but he was clearly fine. It made things hard for us, but it is what it is and they’re the rules. We have to be better at managing that period there.”

Ciraldo said he did not spot the Flanagan binning, which was for a push on Tom Trbojevic as he raced for the ball following a Reuben Garrick kick. Contact was minimal and the decision borderline.

“I only saw it on the little screen, but I didn’t think he was going to go to the sin bin,” said the coach.

“We didn’t handle it real well, we let in two tries in that period. That was disappointing for us. We could have handled it better when he was off.”

Flanagan was fuming with the call. “I was definitely quite disappointed about the call,” Flanagan told AAP. “I won’t elaborate on it too much, but I thought it was minimal contact. Definitely surprised, spending 10 minutes off the field. It’s not the result we wanted.”

Latrell set for PCL scan, Graham faces ban

In the late game, Souths defeated Cronulla but might pay a price, with three key players facing injury clouds.

Tevita Tatola was concussed early on and must enter protocols ahead of the Bunnies’ trip to Penrith on Thursday night, while Jai Arrow also departed early with a hamstring complaint.

Latrell Mitchell also had a knee iced, but coach Jason Demetriou said the extent of the problem was unknown.

“He’s got a bit of an issue with his PCL, but we’ll get it checked,” said the coach.

Craig Fitzgibbon focussed on the refereeing, with a second half sin bin for Wade Graham a major talking point.

Graham collected Davvy Moale with a spectacular hit, only for the Bunker to intervene two plays later and recommend a yellow card.

“Live, it looked spectacular and because it was playing on, you don’t get to stop and analyse it,” he said. “It’ll be what it’ll be, it was either high or it wasn’t. It looked spectacular but he said it looked like it was pretty high.

“We’re powerless to decide that. It’ll either be high or it’s not. In real time, we don’t get analyse because everything’s so quick.”

Captain Dale Finucane added that his co-captain was only attempting to shift the momentum.

“I was on the sideline just waiting to come on, but I thought the hit looked really good, but I wasn’t sure that he hit him high,” he said.

“From my first glance at it, I didn’t think it was high, but on review it’ll be black and white whether it was high. 

“With the type of game that it was and the points that we need to make up, Wade was looking to change the momentum and cause a collision to get the ball back for us. Any player in any team would be wanting be doing that.”

Fitzgibbon was reticent to make the game about the referees, but was displeased about a forward pass call in the first hald that denied Sione Katoa a try.

“I’m not going to start it round one on stuff like that, but it’s pretty obvious that it wasn’t,” he said. “I’d be interested their feedback.”

The Crowd Says:

2023-03-05T21:47:29+00:00

Glory Bound

Roar Rookie


I think looking at both Sam Burgess playing on in the 2014 GF and Cooper Cronk playing with a busted shoulder in the 2019 GF you have to accept sometimes the temptation to do the responsible thing is often too much for both the player and the coach. The flip side of the first example is that it was clearly a planned move to get Sam Burgess out of the 2014 GF and if Sam had left the field and missed the GF these tactics would have been rewarded. We saw it before with Terry Lamb and Andrew Farrar combining to take Ellery Hanley out of the 1988 GF. The Roosters did the same thing with Craig Wing in 2008 when Braith Anasta, Anthony Tupou and Riley Brown combined in a planned move to remove Wing from the game. Closing the Rabbitohs Book of Feuds I'll get back to my point. There needs to be an independent doctor's assessment with the doctor present a the ground for each game, not doing a zoom consultation from the bunker.

2023-03-05T21:38:21+00:00

Geoff from Bruce Stadium

Roar Rookie


Think I may have been referring to coaches now having no control over players being taken from the field - it affected Ricky, O'Brien and Ciraldo on the weekend. I may have defended Ricky over the weak gutted dog incident - there was probably some history there with his daughter - and he's had good cause to have a crack at the refs over the years. I don't really like the way he goes about it but at least he sticks up for his players and his team. I have no idea what you are talking about with the other stuff. Is the mental health issue reference when the poor babies George Williams and John Bateman got home sick? COVID times were tough but blokes like Hodgson, Sutton and Whitehead seemed to get through it OK.

2023-03-05T07:29:27+00:00

Choppy Zezers

Roar Rookie


:laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

2023-03-05T04:26:26+00:00

Tony Dargon

Roar Guru


If you want to understand paranoid people better, try following them around

2023-03-05T04:17:28+00:00

Choppy Zezers

Roar Rookie


Is that what you heard? Who told you that? I can neither confirm nor deny that was a bunker decision, Tony (if thats your name)

2023-03-05T04:05:59+00:00

Rob

Guest


“Very coherent and his eyes showed no signs of fatigue”. What is “very”coherent? I’m thinking Ricky believes his eyes were open and he wasn’t falling asleep so he was awake? Good to go.

2023-03-05T03:55:16+00:00

matth

Roar Guru


So every comment from the coaches was pretty much abôut the officials. Good to see the NRL culture remains consistent.

2023-03-05T03:19:06+00:00

souvalis

Roar Rookie


Think the truer reason was coaches were rorting the other way by having the trainer call HIA on a player who say, injured his shoulder.

2023-03-05T02:55:37+00:00

Robbo

Roar Rookie


And despite what you do, you can't control if they go and eat KFC

2023-03-05T02:34:29+00:00

Tony Dargon

Roar Guru


There's nothing wrong with paranoia. Is there??

2023-03-05T02:34:24+00:00

Big Daddy

Roar Rookie


He's a lot taller than Latrell , just wondering how the body copes when you lose 50- 60 kgs . You would have to compensate by adding some muscle in other areas . Lucky enough not too have that problem but I would imagine his training schedule would be monitored.

2023-03-05T02:33:30+00:00

Tony Dargon

Roar Guru


And their chances of continuing employment

2023-03-05T02:29:21+00:00

Nat

Roar Guru


Unsure. My assumption would have to be a benefit but I would also assume he came from a place of fair fitness originally so it could just be a reset.

2023-03-05T02:10:21+00:00

Big Daddy

Roar Rookie


No one the , NRL Dr will have the final say regardless of what club doctors input is . These Dr s will have been given instruction as well .

2023-03-05T02:07:27+00:00

Big Daddy

Roar Rookie


It's like no fault insurance . The referees don't care , they're covering their own rear end probably as they've been instructed to .

2023-03-05T01:21:17+00:00

Big Daddy

Roar Rookie


Nat, I saw him play reserve grade for Wyong one day . Weighed in at about 130-140 kgs ( maybe more ) . You could see the talent was there but kudos to him for ripping it off . I'm just wandering what it does to your metabolism in fitness terms.

2023-03-05T01:20:34+00:00

Rellum

Roar Guru


"Ponga got taken off for the Knights with no signs of contact to the head – purely on his past history – when the game was in the balance. Adam O’Brien would have been furious." Doesn't that just show coaches and clubs can't be trusted to make these calls

2023-03-05T01:15:58+00:00

Nat

Roar Guru


Signs/symptoms = potato... Leaving it to the doctors not Ricky's sideline analysis is my point.

2023-03-05T01:13:38+00:00

Nat

Roar Guru


That was the bets game I've seen Shaq play especially given the circumstances. It certainly appears Latrell could lose a few Kgs but he's been that way for a while now. It's not like these clubs don't do specific measurements to test BMI and the the rest. Unfortunately they cannot grow joints, ligaments and tendons to match the weight they put on these guys.

2023-03-05T01:12:01+00:00

KenW

Roar Rookie


Would you actually agree that a coach - in the heat of a game - is a better judge than an independent doctor though? I have no problem accepting that Stuart would never purposefully endanger his players, but he's untrained and under conflicting pressures. The doctor isn't going to be perfect but they're in a far better position to make the call.

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