Hagan’s Round 1 Talking Points: Concussion checks, Dolphins dazzling, Ponga at pivot, Penrith’s GF hangover

By Michael Hagan / Expert

The NRL should not go back to giving the clubs sole responsibility for concussions but there needs to be clear indicators for a player to be dragged off the field by the independent doctor for a 15-minute check.

Everyone is looking for an advantage so it’s not a surprise to see Wayne Bennett and now Ricky Stuart trying to apply pressure to the NRL to be more lenient with the independent doctor intervention. 

The NRL are going to err on the side of caution around potential head injuries but I would hate to think that in an Origin game of a grand final that we’d have a situation like Kalyn Ponga on Friday night where a player was taken off with the game in the balance for what turns out to be a minor knock.

It’s a bit like how the referees will put the whistle in the pocket in the last 5 to 10 minutes when the game is close. 

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We need to be a little more measured as a game because Newcastle were unfairly disadvantaged with Ponga going off when they were behind by two points towards the end of the game and that’s not to take anything away from the Warriors’ defence because they were fantastic.

Sebastian Kris. (Photo by Ian Hitchcock/Getty Images)

The indicators were crystal clear when Tyson Frizell and Junior Tatola were given Category 1 HIA’s on the weekend and they were correctly ruled out for the game. 

With Adam O’Brien on the Ponga situation and Stuart on Seb Kris at the Raiders, I agree with their complaints around those examples. They both lost their games in very tight circumstances so I’ve got empathy for that but the previous system didn’t work where clubs were the sole judges of whether a player stayed on the field.

Cowboys coach Todd Payten made a very good point after the win over Canberra that part of this crackdown on concussions was around players staying down to get a penalty. 

It’s a tough, physical sport and you’ve got to understand the players accept the risk. And occasionally, you’re gonna get some accidental contact, whatever it is, but you’ve just got to get up and play the ball. 

Like every rule within the NRL around the bunker, the match review process, you’ve got to give the players and coaches in the first few rounds some leniency to get used to whatever new interpretations that have been brought in like both feet behind the referee, 10 metres from the scrum.

The game has to be patient with how they’re introduced.

Dolphins dazzle on debut

Wayne Bennett, his players and the fans take a bow for creating one of the greatest upsets in rugby league history.

The master coach has assembled a “motley crew” of Dolphins who surprised every expert in the game with a wholehearted, team effort of the highest order to beat the Roosters.

Bennett has demonstrated over his lengthy career that he knows how to build a team (on and off the field) and he knows the secret ingredients to winning football games.

(Photo by Chris Hyde/Getty Images)

He has instilled a great sense of belief much earlier than expected and they have ambushed one of the premiership favourites with hard-hitting defence and a disciplined approach with the football.

Jeremy Marshall-King controlled their ruck attack and defence superbly and he was well supported by Sean O’Sullivan with his kicking game and help in executing their game plan.

Led by Origin forwards Felise Kaufusi and Tommy Gilbert – they provided some moments of inspiration and    Isaiya Katoa, Hamiso Tabuai-Fidow and Brenko Lee provided some flashes of brilliance to keep the scoreboard ticking over.

The Roosters made every “cardinal sin” in the play book and underestimated their opposition big time.

Speed of the game fantastic

I thought the speed and the intent of the games in Round 1 was of a high standard even though most teams were a bit scrappy at stages. 

The goal-line defence was superb from a lot of teams – it’s become a real badge of honour to make it as difficult as possible for the opposition to score in your 20-metre zone. 

We see the fullback playing up in the line and the game evolves with stuff like the little kicks on early plays. There were a couple by the Cowboys with short kicks from Reece Robson and Chad Townsend – they were brilliant. They saw the fullback was in the line so they took the odds to it and the execution of that skill and the anticipation of the player running onto it need to be first class. 

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Injuries make coaches nauesous

Unfortunately we saw a couple of guys go down with injuries even before Round 1 kicked off with Gold Coast’s Beau Fermor tearing his ACL and Bulldogs forward Luke Thompson also looking like he might miss the season after suffering a serious ankle problem. 

As coaches, you’ve got to deal with a whole range of scenarios and that’s one of the most stressful parts of it – you can’t predict or plan for you it, especially those ones at training. 

You sort of feel a bit nauseous for them when they do those major ones. 

Tommy Turbo’s are great example. Manly didn’t look like they were going to win a game in the closing couple of months of last season but if they’d have had him on deck, they might not have fallen off so dramatically. 

Cameron Munster was very courageous with his compound fracture on his finger the other night against Parramatta but those star players are almost impossible to replace and the Storm have already got Ryan Papenhuyzen out. So Craig Bellamy’s got some decisions to make there about whether he switches Nick Meaney to five-eighth but then he’s got to find another fullback.

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Ponga at pivot

I thought he handled it pretty well for most of the game. He had two nice nice touches for two try assists, his contact in defence was consistently pretty good.

But he didn’t probably didn’t run the ball enough. So that’s the balances – you can’t just be a pair of hands and a ball-player as a six. You’ve got to be running the football. 

So they’re all things that he has to add into his game as he goes on. His kicking game was OK but there were a couple of times where he wasn’t connected on the edge in defence which will take time to understand and develop.

And that’s for the Knights as a group given they’ve got some new guys in key positions like Ponga and Jackson Hastings. 

I thought Lachlan Miller was pretty good with what he did at the back but I thought I thought it was a positive start for Ponga at five-eighth. 

Broncos booming 

I saw the Broncos live in their pre-season trial against the Cowboys and they looked like a fast athletic group and that was without Adam Reynolds that night.

They do look like they’ve got some real threats with their leg speed and their power. That was on show again against Penrith and they also then had the polish of Reynolds’ kicking game. 

So they’ve got a lot of things going in their favour in terms of back five being as strong as anyone when they get Reece Walsh back. 

I think their halves are going to develop nicely with Ezra Mam learning from Reynolds and they got some real power and mobility up front with Payne Haas, Patrick Carrigan and Kurt Capewell.

(Photo by Mark Kolbe/Getty Images)

Penrith’s GF hangover

I think they are suffering from slight hangover from the grand final, the World Cup and the World Club Challenge and the salary cap pressure is starting to bite.

Because the world had so many involved in the World Cup across so many teams, I think their preparation in terms of pre-season has been impacted. They had to get everyone prepared earlier for the World Club Challenge and that effects your normal approach to Round 1. 

And they’re a bit lighter on in terms of their depth because of the cap – that’s not to say that they still can’t be a genuine contender but they’re going to have to take that on board and manage it carefully. 

They’re also going to have to deal with the fact, like last season, that when you’re the premiers everyone’s looking to knock you off.

Brisbane, given how they finished last year, will be motivated more than pretty much every other team. Them and Manly with the way they fell out of the finals picture. I think they are both going to resurface this year.

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Ilias in red-hot form 

Lachlan Ilias played the best game of his career in South Sydney’s win over Cronulla and I think you can see that with a season under his belt playing with that spine, he’s got a great connection with guys like Cody Walker, Latrell Mitchell, Damien Cook and Cam Murray. 

I think he’s got a better skill set than we all realise around some of his touches and his timing of passes. Rather than just being someone that’s going to do a job I think he can actually add a bit to them as far as his kicking and passing game, which will make them a much better footy team. 

Second year in you can already see he brought a bit more physicality, looked happy to run the football a bit more. And that’s the confidence from being a second-year player now. 

Souths must have seen that as he went through their system in the junior reps and now we’re starting to see that evolve at NRL level.

Without overstating it, they’ve got the right ingredients as far as the spine, back five and a pretty athletic forward pack. They’re going to be hard to beat.

The Sharks without Nicho Hynes put up a pretty good fight, to be honest, but when you don’t have a marquee player, it makes a huge difference. 

Titans terrific in toppling Tigers

The new look Titans’ spine were impressive in their first hit-out together.

Sam Verills and Keiran Foran were key off-season signings and combined well with Tanah Boyd and AJ Brimson.

They played behind a dominant forward pack with David Fifita and Tino Fa’asuamaleaui putting the home side on the back foot. The Tigers got off to a terrible start and never recovered.

The Crowd Says:

2023-03-08T02:13:08+00:00

Randy

Roar Rookie


!

2023-03-07T08:32:33+00:00

mushi

Roar Guru


It's been explained multiple times. Gee if you can't grasp that how can you assume a player is fully informed

2023-03-07T08:31:28+00:00

mushi

Roar Guru


He also thinks that pointing to the AFL will get a draft through the courts. If only the QCs (now SCs) had have thought of that before...

2023-03-07T08:29:37+00:00

mushi

Roar Guru


And don't worry we'll have special round and care after you end it all though!

2023-03-07T08:27:21+00:00

mushi

Roar Guru


Construction. Funny that it's guided by a multitude of safety restrictions that impede short term productivity. Brett's ideal weekend outside watching concussions is cheering on guys inhaling silica

2023-03-07T08:25:09+00:00

mushi

Roar Guru


"Any doctor " Wow all those guys in sports medicine attached to contact sports are apparently committing fraud

2023-03-07T08:19:44+00:00

mushi

Roar Guru


Of course they know? You struggle with accepting a court ruling on the draft but you think 18 year olds understand this?

2023-03-07T08:17:28+00:00

mushi

Roar Guru


"But that’s still their decision to make." A) the NRLPA is supportive so they kind of have decided B) on an individual level they'll be able to argue they were concussed C) is it an informed decision even if they weren't given without proper monitoring they won't know how many they've had D) Are they unduly pressured (hint... yes) D) can an under 25 make said decision anyway given medical research E) given player realistically have to commit to an NRL pipeline before the age of 18 are you a guy who gets off on kids dying? F) Directors are still responsible for a safe work place and industrial manslaughter isn't wished away by some Parramatta fan

2023-03-07T08:10:07+00:00

mushi

Roar Guru


So no personal responsibility of the governing body. Just 20 y.o. that we know can't process the risks?

2023-03-07T07:18:28+00:00

Maxtruck

Roar Rookie


Looked like the Cowboys "end of season trip" fund may have backed the Raiders with the +3.5

2023-03-07T07:12:19+00:00

mushi

Roar Guru


That was the only positive I took out of that game :happy: They're @#%^ing Redcliffe what's the point of a homeless team

2023-03-07T05:04:48+00:00

Maxtruck

Roar Rookie


I was at Lang park Origin Two 1988, With both my brothers, and It still rates as the best ever. No covered seating, No seating,No Drama. Phil Daley hit Alf Langer late and Wally charged in to sort it out. Mick Stone sent him off and the crowd erupted , everyone hurling XXXX pineapples onto the field, game was stopped while the security cleared the cans. Stone then sent The Turtle off , 2 men down but Qld still won 16/10. Best night ever

2023-03-07T04:56:13+00:00

The Barry

Roar Guru


Absolute garbage from start to finish A beware of the dog sign does not limit your liability or negligence in any way shape or form When I say I’m not a SME, I mean I’m not a lawyer. But I’ve worked in workers compensation for 25 years. You cannot indemnify yourself from allegations of negligence or liability in any way Just saying “it’s all in the wording” is rubbish If a solicitor really has given you that advice (and I absolutely doubt that ever happened) do not seek them out if you ever get into serious trouble I’m not continuing with this any further. What you’re saying is demonstrably and obviously untrue To think you’ve cracked the code by getting players to sign a waiver and the NRL has never thought of this is borderline delusional… If it’s a wind up - congrats! You got me dude. :stoked: If it’s not - you should get help…

2023-03-06T20:18:32+00:00

Brett Allen

Roar Rookie


No, a legal waiver doesn’t indemnify against negligence, unless it says so specifically, and I’m sure the RLPA would have a huge say in the wording of any waiver. Have you ever walked on to someone’s property with a sign that says “Beware of dog, enter at own risk” ? They don’t just put that up as a gentle warning, that’s a de facto waiver. This is not just me talking btw, I’ve done some research with some litigious firms, and they confirm it’s all in the wording.

2023-03-06T20:10:09+00:00

soapit

Roar Guru


i just dont think theres a way to guarantee that all 20 somethings have given full weight to the future impacts, especially when they're being paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to overlook them and play, its not like most of them have similar paying options without the risk. like you i have also had thoughts about whether they could just sign a waiver and accept that they'll possibly have dementia by 40. i dont know whether that will work legally, not how it works in other industries that ive seen, i dont think its a pth the nrl would want to go down tho as it would affect participation rates when the waivers went public and potential effects shown in black and white.

2023-03-06T19:47:53+00:00

The Barry

Roar Guru


Ok, I’m not a subject matter expert here so I’m potentially on thin ice But you can’t just indemnify yourself from negligence or a duty of care. Why don’t mining or construction companies get their workers to sign a waiver that they understand the risks of working there…? Why don’t car companies get you to sign a waiver when you buy a car? Because they have a legal responsibility that they can’t abrogate If it was that easy, as if it wouldn’t have been the first thing the NRL did? As you say players like James Graham have brought it up so it’s not like it hasn’t been thought of…

2023-03-06T10:56:02+00:00

TigerMike

Guest


The Tiges surrendered an early game advantage by kicking a penalty on the first 5 minutes!!! Titans would have been laughing behind the posts saying We’ll score a real try

2023-03-06T10:09:20+00:00

Nat

Roar Guru


Rum with an umbrella!

2023-03-06T09:54:44+00:00

Brett Allen

Roar Rookie


Well the idea has been floating around for awhile now. But tell me why it wouldn’t work ? If players, as part of the standard playing contract, had to sign a waiver acknowledging the risks associated with playing the game and waiving the right to litigate post career, tell me why that wouldn’t work ?

2023-03-06T08:52:10+00:00

The Barry

Roar Guru


Ok. You’ve cracked the code with “get them to sign a waiver” and none of the doctors or lawyers at the NRL ever had the thought… You should be a consultant…

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