On the same day Eddie Jones named his fourth Wallabies captain in as many Tests, the national coach slammed those questioning his selection of international rookie playmaker Carter Gordon alongside new skipper Tate McDermott to take on the All Blacks on Saturday.
After Gordon had a mixed evening on starting debut in the No.10 jersey in Bledisloe I, a New Zealand journalist questioned Jones’ selection by entrusting the 22-year-old for the high stakes trans-Tasman encounter.
Jones fired back by saying he got the selection “right”.
Probed about his decision to start Gordon once again in the key playmaking position, Jones said anyone who questioned the move did not know “anything about rugby”.
“Well, firstly, I don’t think I got it wrong mate,” he told journalists on Thursday, having made three changes to his starting XV from the side that lost 38-7 at the MCG.
“In fact, I’m going to get it right and the player will get it right, and to say that a young 10 in his first game, you’ve got it wrong in selecting him, is just a load of rubbish mate.
“So, anyone who asks that question, doesn’t know anything about rugby.
“Well if you know anything about rugby, you know that 10s need time in the seat.
“If you don’t know anything about rugby, don’t talk to me.”
Eddie Jones with new Wallabies captain Tate McDermott in Dunedin. (Photo credit: Julius Dimataga/RugbyAU Media)
After a bumpy start to his Super Rugby career, Gordon enjoyed a breakout season in 2023 as he took the bull by the horns for the Rebels following Matt To’omua’s departure.
It led to Jones calling Gordon the “best young 10 in the country” following last weekend’s defeat, having impressed with his skill set out of hand and physicality on both sides of the ball for the Rebels.
But as was the case throughout this year’s Super Rugby campaign, Gordon’s kicking game let him down.
Having not been the Rebels’ first-choice goal kicker nor kick restarter this season, Gordon’s missed penalty and failure to reach the 10-metre line after the All Blacks scored late in the first half was one of the turning points in last week’s defeat.
Eddie Jones has slammed journalists for their critique of Carter Gordon’s play. (Photo by Cameron Spencer/Getty Images)
Jones said mistakes were an unfortunate reality of “regenerating” the team, but pointed to Richie Mo’unga’s development as a Test rugby player since debuting in 2018 as living proof that playmakers need time in the saddle.
“Well, that’s not how coaching goes, mate,” Jones said when asked whether he had spent time talking to his young playmaker throughout the week in Dunedin.
“He’s a young guy coming through, he’s getting enough instruction from his assistant coaches and my job is just to give him the confidence to keep going forward, he’s going to keep making mistakes, I can guarantee you that, and he’ll learn from that.
“And when he’s played as many Tests as Richie Mo’unga, or [Damian] McKenzie plays, the tip is McKenzie’s going to play, he’ll cease to make as many mistakes as he makes now.
“Now we’d love him to have a mistake-free game on Saturday, but the reality is that he’s a young guy learning his apprenticeship, he needs to make his mistakes and learn from it, and not listen too much for blokes like you. So that’s my job, to make sure he doesn’t listen to blokes like you.”
He added: “Now particularly for 10s, with defences being better and better organised and the linespeed being harder, their job’s become so much more difficult. And it will take Carter some time.
“Now we’d like that to happen quickly, but I think for the sake of Australian rugby we need to invest in a young 10 because Quade, as good a player as he is, he’s not the future of Australian Rugby.
“And we’ve got to look out for the future of Australian rugby and that’s why having a young captain like Tate and having Carter there has its risks and its foils but also for the future of our sport it’s important.”
Jones has selected the seventh least experienced Wallabies run-on side for the clash, with just 277 caps in the starting XV.
There is plenty of experience to come off the bench though, with 271 caps between “finishers” James Slipper, Nic White and Quade Cooper.
Eddie Jones says more important than winning is winning at the right time. (Photo by Cameron Spencer/Getty Images)
Coming off three defeats to start the year, Jones said more important than winning was winning at the right time to ensure “shortcuts” didn’t become normalised.
“You need it [self-belief] at the right time. When you’re ready to win,” he said.
“If you’re going to win before that then sometimes it can hide problems within the team.
“There’s a sort of a pattern here where you’ve got to play a number of games, work out your problems, then when you’re ready to win that then sometimes cements all the good things you’ve been doing because you don’t want to cement all the bad things.
“Whenever you’re a team that hasn’t been performing, what becomes normal is shortcuts become normal. Players take shortcuts. So, we want to get to a stage where it’s normal for us not to take shortcuts where we do all the tough things. And then we want to win because if you win before that, then you cement some of those old behaviours again.”
Jones was reticent to compare McDermott to another former halfback captain of his, George Gregan, but said his fresh-faced skipper shared the Wallaby great’s “strong determination to win”.
Nor did Jones want to look beyond this weekend as to who would captain the Wallabies at the World Cup.
“Tate’s captain for this game, but then we’ll assess it at the end of the tournament, then we go into World Cup mode,” he said.
“This has been a period where we’ve been finding a lot out about the team, finding out what’s good, what’s not so good.
“Where are we strong? Where are we not strong?
“And the nucleus of any good team going forward is the leadership and the captain’s obviously a massive part of that.
“So it’s all part of a bit of a transitional period for us.”
Fraser McReight has been called up to take on the All Blacks in Dunedin. (Photo by Fiona Goodall/Getty Images)
Jones named an unchanged backline for the return Bledisloe fixture, but said the selection tweaks up front, which see Richie Arnold start ahead of Will Skelton and Fraser McReight included at openside flanker and Tom Hooper shifted to the blindside for Jed Holloway, were made with the thought the match under the roof would be quick.
“We’re playing at Dunedin and if it was still the old Carisbrook we’d have picked a heavy back-row,” he said.
“But it’s going to be lightning quick and so we’ve decided to go for a faster 6, McReight at 7, who did well against Argentina, but we want him to put a bit more pressure on the ball, which is going to be important on Saturday, so therefore we’ve gone for those two.”
jimmy jones
Roar Rookie
seems to be quite a few toxic commenters from a certain side of the ditch.. a mute button would be great
jimmy jones
Roar Rookie
speaking of broken i bet your voice is after all the booing on saturday
Hughi
Roar Rookie
Different message each week from EJ. If we are building a good team so be it. I'd be happy with that, as the team has shown improvement. 20 years of losses won't change overnight, it will take time so why all the shifting goalposts? Cut the crap about winning this that or the other bloody thing just get on and build the team and look to build the results and consolidate a healthy rugby structure. Knowing we have a good team and team depth will take time so why do we expect a miracle and instantly start winning everything? I really don't understand the need for instant results when we have a track record that says otherwise and if you look at the past 3 games the guys are headed in the right direction and the results will come, maybe not believe everything Eddie says about his magic wand fixing everything.
Cec
Roar Rookie
Very good point RA sr letting our guys down
Tooly
Roar Rookie
Eddie didn’t invest in Lolisio !
Derek Murray
Roar Rookie
You're aware Sio is a LH, right? I like Nongoor but he may struggle with the step up this weekend
Guess
Roar Rookie
I told you this before. You sure you’re awake yourself? My fav pick would be sio and nonggorr
Derek Murray
Roar Rookie
I just needed to check. Now you've confimed you're awake and the post wasn't a mistake - who are the 2/3 THs that replace AAA and Tupou?
BamT
Roar Rookie
Eddie, Eddie. Developing young five eights?. Between you and Rennie you have cast aside Lolesio, and Ryan Lonergan the half with the fastest service, good kicker in play as well as goal kicking. Lolesio far and away more complete composed playmaker ahead of Gordon and Donaldson and Edmed. Tate Mc Dermott is behind White, Lonergan and Fines-leleiwassa in my opinion. And Eddie work on skills and discipline. The ABs learn skills as kids while regrettably in Australia we still need to teach wallabies skills like correct passing, grubber kicks, when to pass when to hold. Oh and tell Koreibete to stay out on wing in defence otherwise put Wright there if you won't have him as fullback. Petaia in fact should be a fullback after a top season there with the Reds in Super Rugby
Guess
Roar Rookie
Yes. What's so hard to understand? I didn't say anything about ikitau
JC
Roar Rookie
I suppose he might just stumble across a game plan and team that works, but that’s not experienced, insightful coaching. It’s dumb luck. All he had to do was take the good stuff Rennie left and fix the discipline and attacking breakdown. :unhappy:
jeznez
Roar Guru
It's breath taking watching him change tack. 1. The team is very strong, can push the best sides in the world, beat them on their day. Just need a little consistency (February) 2. We can't just focus on the world cup, we have to beat SA in SA, win the Bledisloe and the RC. (also February) 3. We are going to smash and grab and win the world cup (June) 4. These results don't matter, it's all about the world cup, we're not going for the croissants mate (August) 5. We aren't ready to win yet, it's the wrong time and will cement bad habits. We need to find out what we are good at and what we aren't. We've only had 5 weeks and 3 games. We have to develop new ways of playing, invest in young players for the future (August) Next will be that he never had enough time to make a challenge for the WC and he'll be developing for the next one. Just shifts his goal posts and makes excuse after excuse. If Jones had been honest he'd have told McLennan to stick with Rennie through his contract and then sign Jones up after the WC. Eddie's almost out of time, two games before the WC and his next shift of goal posts and excuses. Let's see if the team can build off the good parts of last week's performance. Have to ask, what happened to a bigger 7? Try once and then quit? Even with Tom Hooper switched and Jed being dropped (which as much as it hurts to see a Southern Districts player dropped, is the right call) then why not have a look at say Gleeson for a bigger 7? Or did Eddie get that selection wrong? Just like kicking 30 times in Pretoria seems to have been a try once and then toss away plan.
Tooly
Roar Rookie
Comical is headed for his fifth straight loss .His last win was against Japan . The old saying adapted . “ You can fool RA and Hamish all of the time , the pundits most of the time but you can’t fool the RFU , our punters and the older players “ . Jones has lost the old players , they have seen the BS unfold before , he is now bribing gullible young players for a cheer squad .
JC
Roar Rookie
Raft of excuses and changes of narrative are classic signs of a con job.
JC
Roar Rookie
:laughing:
JC
Roar Rookie
Agree. The best coaches give emerging players the best chance to succeed by surrounding them with experience on the field. Having a host of players with little experience is setting them up to fail — and in a decade’s time you have another ‘failed’ generation. In fact, they haven’t failed; they’ve been failed by a system that values all the wrong things.
jimmy jones
Roar Rookie
I think i read about it during the years the Force were removed from the super comp and they had Twiggys money to look around..btw it shows how poorly the NRL is run that they never capitalised on that period and just now decided to have a few NRL club games there!
Ken Catchpole's Other Leg
Roar Guru
On the matter of 10 selection, James, I reckon you are spot on.
Tony Harper
Editor
Yes, Eddie mentioned Suli in his presser - I figured he was just trying to troll The Roar readers and didn't want to encourage him
JC
Roar Rookie
The cult of personality and shutting down dissenting views are two key signs of a dictatorship. My poor Wallabies. More than anything they need someone who can unite the rugby community behind them.