Pies cooked? Please - Why Collingwood are still clearly the team to beat in 2023

By Dem Panopoulos / Expert

Collingwood is still the overwhelmingly likely premiership team in 2023 and a couple of matches won’t change that fact.

Maybe it’s because it’s the start of August, that time of the season where everyone is searching for an answer, or at least a sign.

The Magpies lost to Carlton in Round 20 and Hawthorn in Round 21. These two games weren’t necessarily a Collingwood problem and to overreact to them is a mistake. They were outplayed by better teams on the day, as every team tends to be in the competition, at some point in the season.

Could tactical changes have been made? Sure, but then we have to ask ourselves, what’s the point?

Now, there’s of course validity in the fact that Nick Daicos wasn’t supported enough when trying to cope with the tag. The senior playing group should cop that on the chin, as will the coach who has hardly put a foot wrong in his short coaching career.

Beyond that though nothing has really changed, other than perception. The strengths the Magpies have, the self-belief, the transition game, the positioning – a couple of bad quarters doesn’t wash away the effectiveness of these traits after 18 months’ worth of data suggests it’s successful.

Nick Daicos speaks with Jeremy Howe. (Photo by Daniel Pockett/Getty Images)

Even the deficiencies of the Magpies, namely defensive one-on-one work with space, that’s not new information. If you’ve been watching this team under Craig McRae, you know they can be exploited by quick ball movement if the opposition clears its forward 50. Darcy Moore is outstanding, but he’s not perfect.

This week, McRae sort of addressed the elephant in the room regarding the dominance of Hawthorn’s James Sicily. Largely, he played it off in a tongue-in-cheek way, non-serious way that has been a refreshing perspective in his time in charge. Remember folks, footy’s just a game.

If the Magpies shut down the Hawks’ skipper earlier, it would’ve increased their chances of winning significantly. That’s not to say they didn’t try, although Taylor Adams isn’t particularly well-equipped to stop a player like that.

Let’s not take away all the credit from Hawthorn as this narrative seems to do. They played an outstanding style of football; then, instead of changing things up in the last quarter as they did against Richmond, Sam Mitchell decided to have his team play four quarters at equal intensity. Part of the strategy is to funnel players to certain areas that Sicily covers. They outplayed Collingwood and were able to force the Magpies’ ball movement.

Really though, what does McRae stand to gain from putting Beau McCreery on Sicily all game in a defensive role, or throwing Jeremy Howe forward to sit on him and make him accountable? We already saw that move against Carlton, so McRae knows it’s an option.

The reality is that at this point of the season, when a team has earned the right to be in such control of its own destiny, it’s a chess match.

History is littered with the best teams in the competition losing games they shouldn’t as the season goes on, with coaches prioritising method over results. They keep their cards close to their chests and produce unpredictable moves when necessary, rather than doing it wastefully and giving their challengers too much of a look at secondary plans.

In the last quarter, McRae used the playing time to give some nice midfield opportunities to those who don’t get much of a run and moved the magnets around, but not in any meaningful way.

(Photo by Sarah Reed/AFL Photos via Getty Images)

Collingwood didn’t need to try win the game once they were outplayed. In a final, it’s a different story but they don’t generally schedule finals in early August.

This is a team that has earned its right to be labelled as a clear favourite for the premiership and to have that revoked due to a couple of losses while another team enters its own streak is a bit too reactionary.

Granted, the Demons have always been one of the three best teams this season with the biggest upside for improvement, but that fact doesn’t take anything away from the Magpies.

We’re about to get a different look at the ladder leaders, without Nick Daicos through the middle.

It’s a little ridiculous to see opposition fans celebrating and self-validating their own misguided opinions on a second-year player who has been successfully restricted once in his career, but nevertheless, it’s a chance for the senior Magpies midfielders to step up with the ball in their own hands.

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It’s far too simplistic to suggest there’s no Collingwood without their star young player, particularly when they can simply put Tom Mitchell back in, with spurts of solid contributors like Jack Crisp and Adams, perhaps even a bit of Josh Daicos and Patrick Lipinski.

We could see a more traditional midfield set up, one where a classic inside midfielder is simply there to feed the ball out to a Jordan De Goey, who can use his explosiveness to suit himself more than his teammates.

Let’s not forget how good Mitchell is at that role. Him being subbed off in recent times is more reflective of his role change, not his talent change.

Collingwood has managed to maintain its status as one of the best teams in the league against the odds for 18 months. They don’t have a great forward line on paper without a star, but it’s completely functional and expertly put together.

They only have one true midfield star, but they aren’t trying to win clearances every game – it’s about positioning at stoppages and restricting the movement of the opposition.

(Photo by Dylan Burns/AFL Photos via Getty Images)

The biggest strength is the defence and they can lock down and cramp the back 50 when they want – they’ve still been a dominant team even when letting through a flurry of goals in every game they play.

Really, the Magpies are a wonderful example of a team that aims to not expend too much energy and simply break even with opponents, giving them the chance to drive the opposition into the ground once they’ve made their foes work too hard too soon.

McRae isn’t trying to win in the same way the Tigers did at the end of the last decade, but the ethos is similar.

So when Collingwood loses, despite often being behind at some point in every game they win, it’s a surprise to us all, which is quite the compliment for the players and coaches.

Random red flags don’t suddenly appear due to a couple of losses, particularly when the team is two games clear atop the AFL ladder.

The same stats that some shows are using now as deficiencies could’ve easily been brought up at any point during Collingwood’s winning streak, and the numbers would’ve been the same. It’s a team, like many recent premiers, that don’t need the basic stats to do the talking.

The Pies’ structure is still excellent, their spirit and camaraderie is meaningful and their players are committed to their roles, which is more than can be said for almost every other team in the league.

They don’t need to start winning until September, but they’ll send a message or two in the final fortnight of the home-and-away season.

Craig McRae is a wonderful coach and has transformed this group into the best team in the league.

Collingwood is still the overwhelming premiership favourite – and August losses won’t impact that in the slightest.

The Crowd Says:

2023-08-22T03:48:09+00:00

Tezza knows

Roar Rookie


It all depends on the cattle you have that are fit to go. And in 2023, nerves are there but really have no bearing after the ball is bounced. Home ground advantage is bs. You don’t need to ever talk about it, the goal posts dont move. Piss week player selections, and injured players means you don’t have the right cattle on the park. The in out in out of side of Johnston has been poorly managed. He’s a performing type, he has the big weapons, likes the limelight, so you want to play him. He is a walk up start. The stupid club are blowing out his candle, but his candle can and will shine. He is in short, an obvious selection.we need to get ability, multi pronged abilities. Johnston has them in spades. And he crumbs too, beautiful to behold. Instead, you have a limited player, one dimensional McStay, and another player recruited to the club, Lipinski, who it seems the stupid player selection team in their minds, have to play as it justifies the decision to recruit the dud. No no no, this is one reason we lose finals, selection committees playing less than impressive Mr averages. Lipinski hasn’t been involved for the bulk of our good wins in 2023, out injured. Significantly, he simply does not hurt oppositions. He must be dumped. You’d have to think that DeGoey is still a problem. If not we need his fizz to have a chance in the finals. So yes, drop the duds, bring in X factor Johnston, get Wll HKE to spend time at Centre bounces, and other time to play back and create forward surges. He should have been tried as a mid earlier this year. He used to be tormented by groin injuries. If he is ok mismatched his talent, sureness with hands and feet are immense. it may be that he and Adams play the role of transition from back, and occasionally resting deep to assist Elliot who is carrying injuries it seems as he is never used around the ground. And if course, Nick D. He is in crutches, and to me this injury will take months and to heal At the moment we are in trouble in the back line, with Moore missing, Howe experimented largely, and a VFL player with height, run and physicality. He is a largely forgotten player. That player is Nathan Kreuger We are in trouble with both Noble and Quanor clearing tapering, and their lack of height a problem. Kreuger must be played this week, and for the finals to plug the Moore, gap and help the flankers Aside from that, it’s about time Adams did more. Why hasn’t he kicked more goals. So, what the f are the coaches doing? Not much .

2023-08-14T05:30:03+00:00

Chris

Roar Rookie


The flag appears to be headed to a Melbourne club and the most likely destinations seem to be arguably two of the most traditional of all organizations that have a lifelong mutual respect and hatred for one another. Could you guess which two we are speaking of? Their names start with C and their respective post codes are 3053 and 3066. Moreover, their original home grounds are about a mile apart or a ten-minute drive on a reasonable day. Now the plot thickens if another traditional foe of both these suitors, whose club name starts with an E, just happens to play their part and makes the finals, thus meeting up with the club situated not far from Melbourne University. This is all contingent on the last remaining most traditional of foe of all the aforementioned whose home ground is where the finals are played in September plays its part. M. had better win one its last two games to ensure that C meets E to make this one of the most enthralling final series ever!

2023-08-14T01:13:33+00:00

Redb

Roar Guru


Collingwood still seem to go to sleep for long periods in a game. They should be clear favorites, but something is amiss.

2023-08-14T01:12:42+00:00

Redb

Roar Guru


yep both the Cameron mark and worse the handball were clearly out of bounds.

2023-08-12T02:15:05+00:00

okapiman

Roar Rookie


The team's defensive work, particularly in one-on-one situations, has been a noted weakness. Despite having a strong player like Darcy Moore, the defence can be easily exploited by quick ball movement. This is not a new issue, and yet it persists, suggesting systemic problems that have not been adequately addressed.

2023-08-11T13:00:05+00:00

droo

Roar Rookie


Never seen AFL umpiring incompetence on such a gross scale. Two game turning Geelong goals resulting from a mark and handball, so far out of bounds, that it embarrassed every radio and TV commentator.. In both cases the boundary umpire was on the spot. The AFL can't hush this one up as a one off umpiring brain fade. What if Geelong had sleazed a narrow victory.. because that's what something like would have amounted to. At least test cricketers walk when it's obvious they are out. This is going to happen again and again till goal reviews are allowed to be made from any part of the ground. That they are not atm is itself a now all too obvious brainfade by the AFL. Come on.. it's not that hard.

2023-08-11T12:18:28+00:00

Chanon

Roar Rookie


Fair enough l’ll take a closer look :thumbup:

2023-08-11T11:51:24+00:00

Cloak

Roar Rookie


I take it you haven’t been watching much of us the last month Chanon. We’ve had 4 straight scores of 97+ and three of those were high intensity/pressure games. Have come back from 20+ points down in three of those games too. Some Melbourne supporters are concerned we’ve gone too far away from our defensiveness to unlock that scoring. Right now we are far from boring.

2023-08-11T10:22:34+00:00

Macca

Roar Rookie


Yep Blues far from certainties, early losses could still hurt.

2023-08-11T10:21:50+00:00

Macca

Roar Rookie


Last 2 years? Body of work? Didn’t “write off” the pies - but did think they would slide, but that was pre-seasom

2023-08-11T10:06:36+00:00

Chris Lewis

Roar Guru


could happen in next 20 years, maybe 30

2023-08-11T10:04:34+00:00

Don Freo

Roar Rookie


I'm hoping for a Freo/WC Grand Final.

2023-08-11T09:31:34+00:00

Chris Lewis

Roar Guru


hope so, backed blues to win

2023-08-11T09:30:49+00:00

Chris Lewis

Roar Guru


i forgot bulldogs, hope they make it ahead of Carlton

2023-08-11T09:12:45+00:00

Chanon

Roar Rookie


Dees are a boring team, blues should win comfortably as long as they don’t go to sleep they should win well.

2023-08-11T09:11:12+00:00

Chanon

Roar Rookie


It’s under lights so I’m optimistic plus Doc suggested it will be a epic game

2023-08-11T09:09:37+00:00

Chanon

Roar Rookie


Harsh but true Yatt

2023-08-11T09:08:29+00:00

Chanon

Roar Rookie


That’s a ugly proposition

2023-08-11T08:10:23+00:00

Chris Lewis

Roar Guru


i am hoping for a collingwood carlton grand final

2023-08-11T08:03:18+00:00

Virgil

Roar Rookie


I think you need to look at points and percentages, etc. last two years minor premiers have won the premiership. To use Damien Barrett’s phrase, look at the body of work. You and many others wrote Collingwood off for 2023. And to be truthful, that’s the way I like it. The Blues are red hot favourites to win the flag now - expect Collingwood to fall out of the top four and exit finals after the first week.

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