UK View: England like 'totally shot', 'brainwashed zombies', invoking 'fury and dejection' and worse than under Eddie

By Tony Harper / Editor

England’s rugby fraternity has gone into full blown panic mode following the dismal weekend loss to Ireland and the judiciary clouds hanging over two of their star players ahead of the World Cup.

Steve Borthwick’s team conceded five tries and had Billy Vunipola sent off in a 29-10 loss that has seen many in the game throw up the white flag ahead of the tournament in France next month.

Borthwick replaced Eddie Jones at the helm but has failed to turn around the team’s fortunes.

Former England flyhalf Danny Cipriani said English rugby was “digging its own grave” in a social media post where he added the national set up was being “led by people who do not understand the art of the game”.

Borthwick has won three of eight games since replacing Jones.

“It doesn’t mean Borthwick isn’t right for the job,” Cipriani wrote. “He took over a very wooden system left by Eddie [Jones], which is a very tough job to get the players to unlearn what was ingrained in them.”

The week ahead will see judiciary decisions on Vunipola and Owen Farrell, who faces the World Rugby appeal to his clearance for a red card.

Vunipola was the only No.8 named in Borthwick’s Cup squad – although changes can be made up to August 30 – while Farrell is the team’s captain.

Regardless of those two decisions, there is an all-pervading sense of gloom.

Will Kelleher, writing in the Times, was scathing of the team’s performance against Ireland and highlighted a telling stat.

“For many who follow or support England, the overriding emotion on Saturday night after the 29-10 defeat by Ireland was sadness. How can it be that this set of clearly talented players consistently deliver such desperate performances?” wrote Kelleher.

“You can talk sagely about the lack of time Steve Borthwick has had as head coach, the mess Eddie Jones left behind, the fact that the attack often clicks later than the rest of the game plan, or that England were playing the best team in the world, but at some point you have to ask — even with all those caveats — is this really the best they can come up with?

Steve Borthwick. (Photo by Paul Harding/Getty Imag

“England were awful again in Ireland. They barely created a chance. Their backs have not scored since March. In match minutes that is seven minutes short of six hours ago. Six hours. In that time you can watch Oppenheimer twice.”

England, he concluded, “look totally and utterly shot, and the World Cup has not even started. It is incredible to think that they are genuinely worse now than when Eddie Jones was sacked in December 2022.

“On recent evidence, a win against Argentina on September 9 in the opening pool match of the World Cup would be a surprise. It may sound ludicrous, but it is genuinely feasible that they also lose to one of Japan, Samoa or Chile. They are that bad.

“The fury and dejection England are invoking across their country is extraordinary.”

England players react following the Summer International match between Ireland and England at Aviva Stadium on August 19, 2023 in Dublin, Ireland. (Photo by Charles McQuillan/Getty Images)

Chris Foy, writing in the Daily Mail, suggested there was an increasing number of England fans regretting the RFU’s decision to sack Jones last year.

“The crisis is now so severe that a ‘bring back Eddie Jones’ bandwagon started thundering along on Saturday night, as England’s disgruntled supporters lamented another calamitous occasion,” wrote Foy.

“There is a growing, unavoidable sense that the national team are going backwards. In the penultimate game of the deteriorating Jones era, last November, England — for all their faults — fought back from 25-6 down with three late tries to draw with the All Blacks at Twickenham. It is hard to imagine them managing anything of the sort now.

“What is easier to imagine is Jones and his Australia team will be the ones who bring England’s World Cup campaign to a shuddering halt in a quarter-final in Marseille — if it even goes on that long.”

Foy noticed nascent signs of rebellion within the England playing group.

“”The best teams have varied repertoires, whereas England currently don’t have a repertoire at all. A strong hunch is that not all the members of the national squad are buying into how they are being asked to play. Body language is betraying possible doubts behind the scenes,” he wrote.

“It is hard to recall England going into a World Cup with so little hope. Even in 2007, they were in a state, but launched their warm-up phase with nine tries, including one by Borthwick, in a 62-5 thumping of Wales at Twickenham.

“This could all be a plot to lull rivals into writing them off, before a sudden transformation in France. But let’s be honest, that seems highly unlikely.”

Gavin Mairs, writing in the UK Telegraph, contrasted the fortunes of a flying Ireland and a grounded England.

“Four years on and it feels like the entire World Cup cycle has been a waste for England, while Ireland under Andy Farrell have developed into a fine side, brimming with cohesion, variety of attacking detail and a depth not seen before going into a World Cup,” Mairs wrote.

“Questions must be asked about decisions taken by the Rugby Football Union during this period because England should be so much better than this. It is hard not to feel for Borthwick, who has had so little time to make his mark and is now having to deal with real-time crises when he desperately needs to focus on the basics and fast-track an attacking strategy.

“Yet England supporters are right to ask why the last four years have not been used to improve a side that reached the World Cup final in Japan.”

Robert Kitson, writing in the Guardian, sugested England fans won’t stomach much more.

“Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results is often regarded as the definition of insanity. A monochrome, one-paced England team, who have now lost four of their past five games, are certainly not learning swiftly from their mistakes and the odds on Steve Borthwick’s side underperforming at the upcoming Rugby World Cup continue to shorten,” he wrote.

“If they keep playing in the same plodding fashion they did at the Aviva Stadium, there is also no guarantee people will continue to want to watch them. England have had their barren periods in the professional era but rarely have they tested their supporters’ faith so relentlessly. Limited, formulaic, depressing – and that is just the post-match press conferences. Out on the pitch even their smartest players are now doing a good impression of brainwashed zombies.”

World Cup winning coach Clive Woodward acknowledged the situation looked dire for this year’s cohort, but provided a rallying cry.

“They could win a one-off World Cup knockout game. But on the evidence in Dublin, England won’t do so if they continue with a game plan dominated by box kicks and constantly trying to send Manu Tuilagi over the gain line. The set-piece was the only real positive on Saturday,” he wrote in the Daily Mail.

“England have to play faster and they have to keep the ball. Tournament and knockout rugby is very different to playing in other competitions. It’s not been a good three weeks for Steve Borthwick. But this is not a time for anyone connected to the national side to be sulking.”

The Crowd Says:

2023-08-23T09:44:31+00:00

ThugbyFan

Roar Guru


Damn my memory is a shocker after a vino or two or three .......... :silly: For some reason I thought Japan got to the QF and Ireland were on the plane back home. My bad! However the context of my post was Ireland always seem to find a way to crash and burn. Its in their history.

2023-08-22T10:14:00+00:00

FunBus

Roar Rookie


It is when you've still got all the players that got to a RWC final beating the ABs comfortably in the SF.

2023-08-22T10:12:57+00:00

FunBus

Roar Rookie


England are not a particularly 'old' side. As I said to Mactruck, they were the youngest team to ever appear in a RWC final in 2019.

2023-08-22T10:11:59+00:00

FunBus

Roar Rookie


England were the youngest team to ever compete in a RWC final in 2019 - age isn't the problem.

2023-08-22T09:20:43+00:00

tuohyred

Roar Rookie


Quite possible - Fiji now have benefits of MICK the kick coaching Drua. Radrada carved up for Bristol and in Top 14 - Botia schooled under ROG and has Heinekin-winning mindset - just a thought, now to get on before odds shorten.

2023-08-22T08:44:20+00:00

FunBus

Roar Rookie


Yes, but carnivean's point is a good one.

2023-08-22T08:43:01+00:00

FunBus

Roar Rookie


Eh? There's lots of investment in grass roots and many fine young English players coming through.

2023-08-22T08:41:49+00:00

FunBus

Roar Rookie


'Their forwards are doing ok but a quite old (except a few like Sinkler and Earl) and won’t get any better only worse.' This is the pack I think Borthwick was planning on starting against Argentina with their ages. Genge (28) George (32) Sinckler (30) Itoje (28) Chessum (22) Lawes (34) Curry (25) Vunipola (30) Age wise, with the exception of Lawes, you'd expect them to be at their peak - and Lawes has been their best forward in the warm-up games. Whatever their problems, it 'ain't age.

2023-08-22T08:34:13+00:00

FunBus

Roar Rookie


Ah, the old 'English arrogance' comment - rolled out with no knowledge of the players whatsoever. And, to record the day satire died, an Aussie sports fan giving off about 'arrogance' in another country's team.

2023-08-22T08:27:42+00:00

FunBus

Roar Rookie


There are varying styles in the club comp. Harlequins and Northampton, for example, play a very fast, fluid game.

2023-08-22T03:26:58+00:00

CUW

Roar Rookie


TOO TRUE seems not only disciplinary procedures - but reffing in general is stricter towards the 2nd tier lke when Romania got a stratight red - no bunkers no reviews !!!

2023-08-22T01:04:50+00:00

Jacko

Roar Rookie


Thays the thing. If 38% is failing so bad its time to sack the coach then 0% has to be a better reason to sack the coach doesn't it? Paericully with basically the same cattle but not the injuries as the 38% coach had.

2023-08-21T23:46:13+00:00

Big Dave

Roar Rookie


The 38% is brought up as a justification for replacing Rennie, but I don't see it being used often as a justification for the 0% (which is being brought up constantly).

2023-08-21T20:13:43+00:00

HenryHoneyBalls

Roar Rookie


They conceded a try when the game was over as a contest. NZ conceded three tries to England in the last ten minutes in November to draw the game after going 17-3 up in the first half, now thats bad.

2023-08-21T14:49:02+00:00

HenryHoneyBalls

Roar Rookie


Yeah definitely.

2023-08-21T14:36:35+00:00

Pilferer

Roar Rookie


Nz beat Ireland in the quarter final 46 14 in 2019

2023-08-21T13:06:55+00:00

Todd

Roar Rookie


Ireland are a brilliant team but I hope the ref keeps an eye on their time wasting. O'Mahony in particular is infuriating with this and it's a real blight on the game

2023-08-21T12:26:52+00:00

ThugbyFan

Roar Guru


Gepetto, I can't remember you complaining when Eddie's England won 18 matches on the trot, blew the 6-Nations apart 2 years straight (2016, 2017 and 2020 winners) and got to the final of RWC2019. They didn't seem all that damaged then! :happy:

2023-08-21T12:21:27+00:00

ThugbyFan

Roar Guru


West, I remember RWC2019 in Japan. Ireland were one of the favorites and got beaten by Japan to not even get out of the group stages. Then in RWC2015, they lost heaps of quality players for the QF against Argentina and got flogged. Always a favorite but seem to find ways to crash and burn. :unhappy:

2023-08-21T12:16:20+00:00

ThugbyFan

Roar Guru


Nice article Tony. At least the Ireland vs England flogging was watchable, unlike the two matches against Wales. I think WR should hand all viewers of those two England vs Wales matches the George Cross for lasting the distance in the exceptional circumstances of shyte rugger. And pity in spades for the suckers who shelled out loads of Pounds Sterling to actually go to watch the matches live. :sick: At times England looked all right with the forwards set piece work, but their backline looks clueless. I thought G.Ford might get them moving in the right direction but no-way. The wingers likely carried their mobile phones on the field to chat to friends while occupying space. I almost feel sorry for the Poms :crying: , but then I think of their Murray Mints sponsored cricket team who somehow get the perfect ball change in the 5th test and nope! I would prefer to gloat and sing "Karma bit you where?" :laughing:

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