Semi-final Talking Points: Anxiety high for prelims, Warriors surging, Storm need Hughes for Panthers mission

By Michael Hagan / Expert

Preliminary final week is the most anxious one of the year, even more than when you make the Grand Final.

Everyone wants to get to the last game and we now know which four teams have a chance but even though Penrith and Brisbane are red-hot favourites, anything can happen. 

The Warriors have momentum after their fabulous 40-10 victory over Newcastle on Saturday while Melbourne know how to win finals games even though they weren’t quite at their best in beating the Roosters on Friday.

Jahrome Hughes looks like he’s a fair chance to come back into the Storm side and they need him to have any hope against the Panthers – you can’t win preliminary finals or GFs without your first-choice halfback. 

You can be travelling quite well all season and you get to the final hurdle before the GF and the wheels can fall off. 

Whether it’s an injury or a refereeing decision, you can’t play the victim and you’ve just got to get on with it otherwise, before you know it, your season’s over. 

I remember the 2000 Knights side leading the Roosters 16-2 at half-time in their prelim before Freddie Fittler took over and got his team into the Grand Final.

That Newcastle team was arguably more talented than the one which went all the way the year after.

Penrith and Melbourne have both had that mindset of rolling with the punches and focusing on the mission ahead in the past few years and that’s why they’re among the last four standing yet again.

The Storm haven’t done as well in the past few years since the end of the era of Cameron Smith, Billy Slater and Cooper Cronk. 

They got beaten by Penrith in this corresponding game a couple of years ago and went straight out last year so after getting towelled up by Brisbane in week one of the playoffs it was a huge relief for them to get past the Roosters 18-13 on Friday night.

Young Tyran Wishart did well at half with Hughes out but whether he’s fit this Friday and also Jarome Luai for Penrith will have a large bearing on this match. 

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Melbourne were a touch lucky to score their first try against the Roosters when Harry Grant knocked on and the referee missed it but Trent Robinson said after the game that his team needed to be better in defence after Ashley Klein’s error to prevent the Storm crossing the stripe. 

The other decision that Klein got wrong at the end when he didn’t think Sam Walker tackled Grant high would have been a much bigger deal if Cameron Munster didn’t lay on the match-winning try for Will Warbrick’s leap in the corner. 

Craig Bellamy asked in the press conference after the game if the refs are going to be officiating the game differently in the finals to let them know because that was definitely worth a penalty.

Klein tends to let the odd thing go through to the keeper because he likes the game to flow, more like how Origins are refereed, but you leave yourself wide open if you start using discretion in finals versus what you’ve done previously in club games. 

It was a tremendous play for them to win but I think Bellamy’s demeanour would have been very different if that refereeing call brought down the curtain on their season.

Refs have got to get the obvious ones right. Fans, coaches and players can accept the marginal calls – even the try-scoring ones when in all probability the ball’s probably been grounded but because there’s no conclusive evidence you can’t award it. 

The bunker really should be adjudicating on tries and all the other stuff should be ruled upon by the three officials on the field.

Warriors on a roll 

The Warriors have the right ingredients to put the Broncos off their game at Suncorp Stadium next Saturday night. 

They’re actually a similar team to Brisbane in that they’ve got a strong back five, they rely on two of their main forwards in Addin Fonua-Blake and Tohu Harris to win the middle third and their halfback Shaun Johnson combines with their fullback, Charnze Nicoll-Klokstad off the back of that in attack with the trick shots and sweeps around the back.

For the Broncos it’s Payne Haas and Patrick Carrigan with Adam Reynolds calling the shots and Reece Walsh adding the touch of class from fullback with his blinding acceleration. 

There’s a danger the Warriors will have a slight emotional letdown after all the hype of their first finals match on home soil for a long time.

But I think that won’t be a factor because they’ve got a lot of guys who have played finals footy at other clubs in key positions like Te Maire Martin, Harris, Johnson and Nicoll-Klokstad or a lot of international matches like Fonua-Blake, Jazz Tevaga and Dallin Watene-Zelezniak.

They might even have the edge in playoff experience against Brisbane because the Broncos haven’t been in the finals the past few years and even though many of their players have Origin and Test experience, these games can do funny things to even the stars of our game.

Playing in the first week of the playoffs is one thing but matches like a prelim final when everything is on the line is a different kettle of fish.

Three members of their spine – Walsh, Ezra Mam and Billy Walters – are in their first finals campaign but the good thing for them is with Kevin Walters, Allan Langer, Matt Ballin and John Cartwright on the coaching staff, those guys have plenty of experience of what it takes to win at this time of year from their careers.

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If the Warriors’ ball control and kicking game is as good as it was against the Knights, that’s the blueprint that can put the wind up Brisbane but I give the Broncos the slight edge.

The Warriors nailed their execution in good-ball territory against Newcastle, they were clinical.

They’re different to the successful Warriors teams of old in that they play with a lot more structure to set up their attack and then go for the jugular. 

Johnson is the crucial part of that – now that he’s in the veteran phase of his career he well and truly understands when to pull the trigger and when not to. 

Nathan Cleary is the exception at 25 but a lot of the best playmakers in the NRL are in their 30s – Daly Cherry-Evans has been enormous for Manly and Queensland this year, Cody Walker’s the other side of 30, Johnson looks like he’s going to win the Dally M and Reynolds has been central to Brisbane’s surge up the standings.

And the Warriors were defensively very strong with their numbering up. They didn’t give Kalyn Ponga any time or space and the Knights didn’t execute their plays well, often throwing passes a fraction behind or in front of where they should have gone.

I thought before the game that the one thing the Knights couldn’t do was let the Warriors skip out to a big lead early and that’s precisely what happened with them being 16-0 down at worse than a point per minute. 

They did well to get back in the contest for it to be 16-10 early in the second half but that effort took a lot of petrol out of their tank and the Warriors ran away with it in the last 20 minutes. 

The bubble did burst for Newcastle after 10 straight wins – Adam O’Brien said they didn’t handle the occasion well and missing Jackson Hastings with his ankle injury along with quality players including Lachlan Fitzgibbon and Daniel Safiti (and coming off a highly emotional and physical 90 minutes against the Raiders) proved too much for them to overcome. 

They weren’t shooting with the same bullets they were the week before and were not allowed to find their fluency in attack because of the Warriors’ excellent defensive effort.

The Crowd Says:

2023-09-19T18:46:54+00:00

Panthers

Roar Rookie


Here’s an interesting one for you. Who do you support, if it’s a Broncos / Storm GF? Hardly worth watching isn’t it . :laughing: You may think the same if it’s a Broncos : Panthers GF? :laughing:

2023-09-18T22:38:04+00:00

BigGordon

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You're right about Smith making refs his mate, but that's not the sort of relationship they should have on-field. It should be about mutual respect, but that's not what Smith was doing.

2023-09-18T22:31:18+00:00

BigGordon

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I'm not sure it is. Both ref & and captain have to give each other respect. In the refs case, that means explaining a decision and clarifying questions. In the captains case, that means listening to explanations, asking clarifying questions without entering a debate and accepting (and implementing) those decisions. Smith made almost every decision into a debate and the refs let him get away with that. In doing so, they opened the door for other Clubs to do the same. This has stripped away the respect for officials, which is why we see incidents like Reece Walsh screaming at match officials, then being gobsmacked when he gets penalised.

2023-09-18T22:19:32+00:00

BigGordon

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On it's own, calling player by numbers does little, but in Union, the penalties for any abuse of the ref or their decisions are harsh. Players know that which is why you often hear them calling the ref "sir" and why the ref using numbers rather than names works. The controversies from that '69 GF centred around the Tigers exploiting the rules around injured players. It wasn't a case of poor officiating, it was more about the Tigers feigning injury and the rules correctly being applied ie every time a player went down injured, the match was stopped, which completely put the Bunnies off their game. You'll probably remember a few years ago, the refs were told to really clamp down hard on all the issues you mentioned. The media in particular decided that was a bad idea and savaged all and sundry till they went back to "normal" decisions. Not saying this isn't the right way to go, but how it could work is the hard part. I've been a fan of players & coaches completing a refs accreditation for decades. I think it should be a compulosry part of any contract they sign, be it developmental of full-blown squad. Ditto for coaches, assistant coaches and anyone who runs onto the field for each Club. You're right, it would be great to see these guys out officiating schoolboy games. I reckon some of the hotheads in the NRL would be hard pressed to keep their own cool.

2023-09-18T17:47:36+00:00

Morz

Roar Rookie


@Red Rob "There is far less chat in rugby". True. There is also a lot less playing time. Not having a crack at Union, but it is a fact there is a lot more stoppages.

2023-09-18T17:45:07+00:00

Morz

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And Brisbane didn't have all that in their favour in their (excellent) shut-out of Melbourne? Trust me, of all the Teams and all the Stadiums to play in for a semi-final, the Warriors would have chosen Brisbane. Their will be thousands of "Mozzies" (Maori Aussies) who have made the GC home and will be there supporting the Warriors. Brisbane still "should' win if you take their form for the whole year - but we all know from history what should happen and what does happen do not always pan out. It will be a very good game either way but it just could be the Warriors with the big game experience of a lot of their players (test matches, finals when playing for other teams) might be the deciding factor - but who knows,thats why they play the game - lets bring it on!

2023-09-18T11:51:18+00:00

Nico

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I'm not against referees addressing players by number but whether or not it prevents more controversies is questionable. I'm reading Ian Head's excellent Great Grand Final heist on the '69 Souths v Balmain final and even with an aloof stickler for the rules in Keith Page officiating proceedings, there was still no shortage of controversy that's still spoken about to this day. I'd like to see the 10 metre penalties enforced more often for descent, repeat offenders complete a referees course and have to officiate at a junior league match - maybe then they'd get a bit of an idea about the type of pressure that referees are put under

2023-09-18T08:54:42+00:00

Cadfael

Roar Guru


Easy to get rid of. Captain only to speak with the ref. As well as Smith, Wally Lewis was great (?) doing the same.

2023-09-18T08:39:07+00:00

steveng

Roar Rookie


All you Warriors fans don't get too excited as last week you had everything in your favour, like venu mad screeming fans andyou played a shocked Knights side, now it will be the reverse with the Broncos at Suncorp, let's see how you go and what the final score is?

2023-09-18T08:32:24+00:00

jimmmy

Roar Rookie


There is a chance one fav gets rolled for sure . But it won't be Penrith.

2023-09-18T08:24:55+00:00

MUCK

Roar Rookie


I agree about calling players by their name , should be their number.

2023-09-18T08:23:42+00:00

MUCK

Roar Rookie


Thats what a good captain does. Smith did the best for his team. Gal for example just whined. Smith made the ref his mate , a poor captain makes him his adversary.

2023-09-18T08:00:29+00:00

Red Rob

Roar Rookie


One of the all time greats of all codes.

2023-09-18T05:41:58+00:00

BigGordon

Roar Rookie


Teflon Gus? He's got all off-season to work out who else to blame if things go wrong. :laughing:

2023-09-18T05:39:24+00:00

BigGordon

Roar Rookie


I was thinking about Nigel Owen, the great Welsh rugby ref. I reckon he'd have any NRL game under complete control in less than 10 minutes.

2023-09-18T05:19:30+00:00

Red Rob

Roar Rookie


Yes I had that in mind as I was making the post. There is far less chat in rugby.

2023-09-18T04:52:45+00:00

BigGordon

Roar Rookie


Rugby union is a game many league fans are not too fond of, but there's at least one aspect all should admire; the control the officials have over the game. Part of that stems from not calling players by their first names (and often not by name at all) and the other part is the self control players are expected to show towards officials. The players are well aware what happens if they don't. There are plenty of questionable calls in any rugby game, but it's extremely rare to see the carry on that happens in every game of NRL.

2023-09-18T04:32:14+00:00

Red Rob

Roar Rookie


Refs are partly to blame for this. The over familiarity of first name basis has added to the breaking down of what was left of the veneer of authority. March them 10m for dissent a few times, they won’t have enough breath for chat.

2023-09-18T04:24:26+00:00

BigGordon

Roar Rookie


One thing Cameron Smith did which has hurt the game, was to make himself as a player a part of the decision-making process. Other Clubs have picked up on that, so every bloke seems hell-bent on having his say about decisions, which has to get into refs heads. If that was taken out of the game, I think the game management you mentioned would largely disappear and refs & touchies could get on with doing their jobs.

2023-09-18T03:31:34+00:00

Cadfael

Roar Guru


If they would just go back to refereeing the game and the touchies doing their job, there would be a good improvement.

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