'How did mighty Australian Rugby get to this': McLennan says he has 'no' regrets, outlines three areas to fix

By Christy Doran / Editor

Hamish McLennan says he has no regrets about his decision to headhunt Eddie Jones for the Wallabies head coaching role despite the nation’s World Cup flop.

In an interview with The Roar, the Rugby Australia chairman admitted the game’s direction under his leadership had been a mixed bag, but said he was intent on staying in the role through until 2027 and believed the game must move away from short-term thinking.

McLennan’s comments came after the Wallabies’ embarrassing 40-6 defeat to Wales, which all but confirmed that the two-time world champions would miss the quarter-finals for the first time in the 10 editions of the World Cup.

Rugby Australia chairman Hamish McLennan says he has no regrets about being the driver behind Eddie Jones’ return as Wallabies coach. (Photo by Matt King/Getty Images)

Their consecutive Pool C defeats also meant Jones had won just one of eight Tests since returning to the job in January.

“Eddie is a world-class coach and is doing what he thinks is right. We need to be careful we don’t knee-jerk from one situation to another,” McLennan said.

“Everyone is massively disappointed.

“Rugby in Australia needs a complete restructure. The North has caught up to the South and we need a more centralised efficient structure to compete.”

Q: Hamish, fans were walking out by the 70th minute against Wales, what was your reaction at full-time?

I thought how did mighty Australian Rugby get to this from 2003. I feel sad for the amazing loyal Wallaby fans.

Q: Eddie Jones insisted he could turn the Wallabies around following the defeat to Wales. Do you believe him and, if so, why?

I think the stark reality is that Rugby in Australia needs a massive overhaul which we’ve been saying for three years now.

Eddie Jones at the Parc Olympique ahead of the Wallabies’ heavy loss to Wales on September 24, 2023 in Lyon. (Photo by Hannah Peters/Getty Images)

Q: We’re sitting here today in France. Fans are angry, players are in tears. Plenty have lost faith in your coach. What are the top three priorities for you as Rugby Australia chairman?

  1. Centralisation is the key.
  2. Invest in players, grassroots and coaching.
  3. Continue to build our commercial assets and maximise our home world cups.

Q: Eddie Jones was bullish about what he could achieve. The failure to achieve that has resulted in a huge backlash. Does the sentiment of any publicity is good publicity ring true?

That’s an honest assessment. I really believe Eddie felt he could make a bigger impact given the short time frame. He’s used to winning.

Q: With regards to whether Eddie Jones spoke with the JFRU or not. Fijian coach Simon Raiwalui posted on Twitter, “How many coaches do you think are talking with other teams while still contracted, I reckon it would be quite a few?!” Is it an issue if a coach is keeping their options open?

The JRFU admire and respect Eddie. I think Simon Raiwalui makes a fair point. This type of thing does go on in every day life.

Q: You encouraged Eddie Jones to be bold with selection. Going forward, do the Wallabies have to return to a selection committee?

That’s something the review needs to contemplate.

Samu Kerevi reacts following the Wallabies’ heavy defeat to Wales at Parc Olympique on September 24, 2023 in Lyon. (Photo by Hannah Peters/Getty Images)

Q: You were the architect behind Eddie’s return. Do you have any regrets this year around parachuting back into the head coaching role and any bullish public statements you made?

No. Eddie’s cutting from England provided a catalyst which we had to decide on quickly. Dave’s win rate was 38% and Eddie’s was 73%. We were going no where fast. Those bullish statements also helped us get new Sponsors, the ‘27 and ‘29 World Cups, get a broadcast arrangement and cut us a fair deal against the Kiwis when they tried ruin us.

Q: How vital was a strong World Cup campaign for the health and sustainability of Australian rugby?

Really important. It’s a big setback but not terminal.

Q: Has Australian rugby gone forward or backward under your watch?

It probably looks like a mixed bag at the moment with a massive miss on the RWC but we were dead three years ago. If we reform and centralise, the game we prosper.

Q: In 2001, 13.76% of Rugby Australia’s expenditure was related to community rugby. In 2019, it was 3.59%. Well below the AFL and NRL. Does this approach need a rethink?

It should be more like 20% for us but requires long term sustainable funding.

Q: You’re a businessman, someone who works in finance and deliverables. Plenty in the rugby community are calling for your resignation. Are you considering your future as Rugby Australia chairman and, as of today, are you still committed to going through until 2027?

I’ve always been committed to going through to 2027 and still am. Two home World Cups will be transformative for our game and provide the time and runway to fix our multiple issue. Rugby has suffered from short term thinking and needs to come together and reform.

The Crowd Says:

2023-09-28T01:15:18+00:00

Adam

Roar Guru


I support centralisation. Goodness knows that those 2 empires need to stop building up their empire further at the expense of the kingdoms and villages

2023-09-28T00:56:37+00:00

Sterling

Roar Rookie


If done via policies promoting ingrity, tranparency, oversite and redundancy by a leadership team with an effective vision. Yes. Otherwise, no. But at least then we’ll know for sure where the fault lies. To enable a successful RA empire a structure that allows for multiple kingdoms is also required. Unfortunately the current federated/state based structure only allows for 2 empires, 3 kingdoms and 3 villages. Until this is changed, I don’t think it’s going to make any difference what RA is allowed to do.

2023-09-27T16:58:44+00:00

kgbagent

Roar Rookie


"Q: You were the architect behind Eddie’s return. Do you have any regrets this year around parachuting back into the head coaching role and any bullish public statements you made? No. Eddie’s cutting from England provided a catalyst which we had to decide on quickly. Dave’s win rate was 38% and Eddie’s was 73%. We were going no where fast. Those bullish statements also helped us get new Sponsors, the ‘27 and ‘29 World Cups, get a broadcast arrangement and cut us a fair deal against the Kiwis when they tried ruin us." Hamster BS again - EJ had no comparable win rate as he didn't coach OZ. What new sponsors? How many $$$? The WC deals were done before him. The Broadcast arrangement where they want to reduce the paltry $16m currently paid and with the national team failing to get out of the pool - that broadcast deal will be savaged cos nobody wants it. I read somewhere today that discussions with PE options have been stopped due to RA dismay at PE valuations. What did RA expect with these results? I travel a lot around Asia and in the local markets team jerseys from all popular sports are a huge knockoff item - apart from the soccer heavyweights you always find AB kit but never the Wobblies and it has been like that for decades. AB's got PE buy-in because they are a global brand and it seems to me the RA delusionists thought they would garner similar funding when globally the Wobblies are nada. Finally, that old BS about the Kiwis fair deal when they actually had a product that people wanted and the Hamster felt he was entitled to a 50% share when nobody watched OZ game = FFS the clown needs to go NOW

2023-09-27T09:24:17+00:00

CRZ38L

Roar Rookie


Whilst McLennan is a succesful business man, many of his decisions at RA have been stinkers. Look at the decision last year to take two extra test matches on the NH spring tour. The two extra tests were purely a commercial decision as it would net RA an additional $2-3 million (not sure of the exact figure) but in the end it proved disastrous - barely scraping by Scotland and Wales and a first ever loss to Italy. Now not withstanding that there was a ridiculous amount of injuries last year which McLennan could not have forseen, but, just but, if the NH tour started with a test against Italy, then maybe they would have beaten Ireland and France as well, instead of fielding the walking wounded for five tests in a row. Definitely a sliding doors moment that could have saved Rennie's job.

2023-09-27T09:14:46+00:00

CRZ38L

Roar Rookie


Yeah he was able to turn England around very quickly after taking the helm. England beat the Wallabies 3-0 during the 2016 inbound series, and I think they may have also claimed a 6N grandslam that year (or maybe the year after), and they won three 6N titles with Jones.

2023-09-27T09:08:24+00:00

CRZ38L

Roar Rookie


I beleive there was talk of centralisation many years back but QLD and NSW voted it down.

2023-09-27T08:40:48+00:00

Brendan NH Fan

Roar Rookie


Not sure he has done better or worse than Rennie all I know is the English and Welsh teams have gone back to basic foundations of set piece and breakdown work under their coaches who have basically implemented the same plan that Eddie wants to do. Eddie can’t do that because the players aren’t there. I don’t think Rennie would have beaten Wales and I don’t think Rennie would have played Skelton so then the breakdown is not what it has been so then the Fiji result still happens. Agree Eddie with reporters has been bad but that is what he is and plenty coaches have been like that just maybe not as in your face. While I feel sorry for the fans do you feel the same as the fans of Tonga and Chile who have less money and go even though teams are going to lose most of their games. Oz is the first country where Eddie has failed to make a difference so was it a bad choice to assume he would do the same he did at Japan and England. Issue lies with what skills the players have v what skills the players need. Look at the playing time and level played at for the Oz 2019 u20 side v the French team that beat them in the final. Cant expect a coach to magically be able to provide 4 years of breakdown work the players don’t have, Rennie’s solution was to just not worry about the breakdown but it was under him the penalties went really high and the players missed out on the higher level breakdown work they needed prior to the WC.

2023-09-27T07:55:33+00:00

Ruckin' Oaf

Roar Rookie


Yeah we'd never know, I mean it's not like anybody in rugby every leaks to journo or anything

2023-09-27T06:41:25+00:00

Passit2me

Roar Rookie


I can empathise with Hamish’s position. Despite being sacked by England, Eddie was still one of Australia’s most successful coaches. He was now on the market, and would be snapped up by a rival in no time. Rennie’s win rate was 38 percent, and that included 5 in a row with Quade running the game. With Quade out of the picture with a busted Achilles, and a big ? over whether he would be back and firing for the WC, the Wallabies looked dead in the water. Hamish had to move fast. With the benefit of hindsight, we are all experts, but we aren’t the ones in the hot seat, having to make decisions based on available information.

2023-09-27T02:36:32+00:00

Jock McSprock

Roar Rookie


Here are some other questions which might have been asked (though presumably not answered): * Why was DR guaranteed his position until the RWC? * What due diligence was done wrt EJ's departure from the England set-up * Did EJ flag this "rebuild" program before his appointment? * Why have you allowed EJ to shift the narrative from "smash and grab" to "rebuild"? * Does EJ have to justify his squad selections to anyone at RA? * Can you identify a single area in which the Wallabies have improved since EJ's return? * How many RA staff (excluding coaches and support crew) are at the RWC, and what is it costing? * WTF have you been doing for the past three years if you had already identified the need for a "rebuild"?

2023-09-27T01:59:06+00:00

Adam Dougherty

Roar Rookie


Seems he is blaming everyone but himself for pretty much everything

2023-09-27T00:13:17+00:00

Mike Menzies

Roar Rookie


The hubris exhibited by McLennan is truly amazing. One week he is telling critics not to watch if they don't like it, the next crying crocodile tears about fans leaving the Wales game early--essentially taking his earlier advice. He claims that supporting the game at the grass roots is one of the 3 priorities to fix Australian Rugby but has overseen the squandering of what few resources RA has on recruiting a young player from the NRL and paying out coaching contracts and creating another financial liability in giving Jones a 5 year contract. Typically when there is a changing of the guard at the top as there was with the replacement of Dave Rennie, those responsible for the decision reinforce their decisions by trashing the work of the person who has been replaced. In this case it involved the replacement of a number of experienced players in the Wallabies squad for no fault of their own, but simply to prove the wisdom of the replacement decision. Enough has been written about the decisions around fly-half and to a degree around the omission of Michael Hooper which was a major blunder mad evident in the Fiji game if it had not been evident beforehand. What has not been given the attention it should have has been the treatment of the most experienced player in the squad that was chosen--James Slipper on two counts. First the appointment of Dave Pilecki as captain in this pressure cauldron when there was a ready experienced captain available in Slipper is inexplicable other than on the basis that Slipper had been captain under Rennie. Pilecki is a very good player who did not need the added pressure of captaincy in these circumstances. It affected his game. How he could deal with the impact of the no jump lineout and his role in that turning point in the game from a leadership point of view is difficult to fathom. At that point the leadership of a wise head was absolutely crucial. While it was problematic in the context of the game the Wallabies were still in the contest and at half time down 16-6 all was not lost. In the first half Slippers Welsh opposite had attempted to lift Slipper in the scrum on a number of occasions only to be demolished by Slipper earning the Wallabies a couple of scrum penalties. The wallabies more than held their own in the scrums in the first half. Why on earth was Slipper replaced by "youth" at half time. Immediately the Welsh prop who had been tamed by Slipper became successful in popping his new opposite and our scrum was destroyed for the rest of the game. At every level the decision to replace Slipper was a disaster. The Psychological impact on the forward pack of having its scrum dominated should not be underestimated. Once Slipper was gone (with the bulk of the teams collective experience) the game was over. It was more of the same unfortunately, tied up with the justification of the undoing of anything Rennie had done. Its amazing to see how quickly the narrative has changed from replacing Rennie's team with one that could win the 2023 world cup, to one of going with youth to build a platform for the 2027 event. The narrative about the value of this losing experience compared with the way in which Carter Gordon was removed from the starting 15 in the Welsh game is an indication of the extent of the reverse engineering of this glib response to the defeat we have just suffered. Forget about blaming the players and even the coach. The change required immediately is the removal of McLennan.

2023-09-26T23:25:28+00:00

AndyS

Roar Rookie


Hence the need for a guaranteed return built into the structure. It is never going to happen while they rely on a voluntary return…we can see where that leads now and running into a home RWC you can bet there’ll be plenty of competition even for that. It is like the tax department relying on people to spare what they feel they can afford…

2023-09-26T22:47:11+00:00

Micko

Roar Rookie


Not according to recent articles.

2023-09-26T21:48:07+00:00

Armadillo

Roar Rookie


I have no issue with a full review after a World Cup and moving Rennie on if the results were poor. A knee jerk reaction to kick him out because Eddie had been sacked by England was a shocking decision. 9 months out from the World Cup. Do you honestly believe Eddie has achieved more than Rennie if he had stayed on? What about the impact on the wallaby brand and the game - the way journos and the PR side has been managed? Does it reflect the ARU brand and values of the wallabies - are we about arrogance and disrespect? We have confused confidence and swagger with something else, unfounded in results and performance. What about the fans that saved and travelled to France?

2023-09-26T21:05:56+00:00

Brendan NH Fan

Roar Rookie


It's the physicality of doing it over and over again. The bench with lower skills doesn't help easier.

2023-09-26T21:04:24+00:00

Brendan NH Fan

Roar Rookie


Was I wrong. Rennie at Glasgow had the same issues that he had at Oz which was fast play but a team good and the breakdown made them useless.

2023-09-26T20:59:45+00:00

Brendan NH Fan

Roar Rookie


How Jake White is still at the Bulls is beyond me. I think if the Sharks finish above them this year he must be done.

2023-09-26T20:56:53+00:00

Brendan NH Fan

Roar Rookie


True. Without SA to keep them linked to the rest of the Rugby world they have become rubbish at the foundations.

2023-09-26T20:53:53+00:00

Muglair

Roar Rookie


There is no leadership at RA so it is lucky we are already there. If they do not have signed commitments for finance, they would not be able to defend a winding up notice. Last year's profits were predominantly non-cash in nature, and the same will be the case this year, although I am dubious about them making a profit.

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