Frampton, Ginnivan... or a smoky? Every Dan McStay replacement for Collingwood's grand final team, ranked

By Tim Miller / Editor

Craig McRae has some thinking to do.

In an echo of the lead-up to Collingwood’s 2003 grand final date with Brisbane, the Pies will head in needing to replace their best key forward.

20 years ago it was a suspended Anthony Rocca, while this time around, it’s the injured Dan McStay.

With Taylor Adams also out of the running for a return due to the hamstring injury that saw him miss the preliminary final, McRae’s options to replace his important tall are thin on the ground – and while all have points in their favour, every choice likewise has a catch to it that makes selecting them fraught with risk.

Here are all Collingwood’s options to replace Dan McStay in their grand final 22… ranked in order of likelihood.

1. Billy Frampton

Pros: An emergency for the whole finals series, the Magpies swingman is far from the goalkicking option McStay was in the prelim – but he’s nice and tall, is a strong contested mark, and offers flexibility should the Pies lose a key defender or one of their two rucks early on grand final day. Helping his case is reports that he trained with the Magpies’ ‘A’ team at training during the week, an impressed with his aerial competitiveness. He seems the safest choice.

Cons: The Pies have 17 goals to their name across two finals, four of them off McStay’s boot – can they really afford to replace him with a player who has seven goals in 15 games this year, with one two-goal game his best contribution? The Lions will be a harder forward line to nullify than GWS and Melbourne’s, and have racked up 18 and 19 goals in their two matches against the Magpies this year. Perhaps lateral thinking is in order to boot a winning score – whether that means a move forward for Jeremy Howe or a smaller attack with Jack Ginnivan elevated in, both are proven to have greater scoreboard impact than Frampton.

Likelihood: The frontrunner

2. Jack Ginnivan

Pros: If the Pies choose to call on the literal ‘next man up’, that by definition is Ginnivan. The sub in both the Pies’ finals wins, and performing creditably as well, the goalsneak might not be a like-for-like swap for key target McStay, but could be a valuable addition should McRae decide a shorter, more dynamic forward line is worth the risk, or even if one of Darcy Cameron or Mason Cox spends more time near goal.

Cons: It’s a tight call between Ginnivan and Frampton for the starting role, but with the Lions boasting one of the AFL’s best intercepting talls in Harris Andrews, it could be dangerous to not pick another key forward to keep an eye on him, assuming Darcy Gardiner or Jack Payne is given the job on Brody Mihocek. The last thing the Pies want to see is Andrews winning a Norm Smith because no one was able to keep him in check – look at the job he did in the first quarter of the Lions’ preliminary final win for proof of what he can do.

Likelihood: Sub at worst… surely

Jack Ginnivan. (Photo by Quinn Rooney/Getty Images)

3. John Noble

Pros: One of the other Pies’ finals heartbreak stories, Noble had played 83 consecutive games before being dropped for the qualifying final, despite 21 disposals in Round 24 against Essendon. His dash off half-back has been a major asset for much of the year, even if Oleg Markov appears to have gone past him; and his toughness and resilience seem perfect for the cauldron that is a grand final.

Cons: The same thing that cost him a place in the team to begin with – there’s no spot for him. With Howe sliding back into defence after a stint forward and Markov’s star rising by the week, Noble was seen as surplus to requirements for the finals – and from the looks of his role in the ‘B’ team at Magpies training, that seems unlikely to change. He’d need the Pies to opt to replace McStay with Howe for a backline spot to open up for him.

Likelihood: Definite sub chance

4. Nathan Kreuger

Pros: He’s tall, he competes hard and, when he’s not injured, has supreme athletic attributes. Kreuger has been excellent in attack for the Pies in the VFL this year, kicking 25 goals, including four in their wildcard final win over Richmond. And it wouldn’t be the first time he was trusted to perform in a big final – he featured in both the Pies’ qualifying and preliminary final matches in 2022, though he was the sub on both occasions and averaged just 22 per cent game time.

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Cons: Has managed just two games this season, and was injured before half time in both. It’s become a recurring theme for Kreuger in his time at Collingwood, and while his size fits the McStay void, you just couldn’t trust him to run out a full four quarters without dislocating something… right?

Likelihood: Never say never

5. Finlay Macrae

Pros: A VFL ball magnet who has regularly impressed when given senior opportunities, Macrae was a tackling machine in his only AFL game for the season, racking up eight in just half a game after coming on as sub in Round 24. It’s one of just three games he’s played under McRae – but with the Pies set to miss Adams’ extra grunt at stoppages once again, a major structural shift caused by McStay’s absence could open the door. Also an emergency for the Pies’ preliminary final – so he’s certainly in the selection frame at least.

Cons: A popular figure among Pies fans to question his lack of game time, Bulldogs star Jack’s half-brother has spent the year flirting around the edges of the senior team without ever being able to crack it. And if he hasn’t by now despite superb VFL form throughout the year, it won’t be happening on the biggest stage of all.

Likelihood: Shock of the year if he gets picked

6. Jakob Ryan

Pros: A mid-sized defender, the recently turned 19-year old was given his first and only AFL game against Brisbane back in Round 23, when he was given the sizeable task of standing Cam Rayner. Only lasted a half before being concussed by a Rayner speccy attempt, but clearly had the trust of the coaching group to even be named for such a big home-and-away game, and would be a size-for-size replacement for Howe should he be pushed forward.

Cons: Generally, half-gamers don’t get called in out of the blue for grand finals, especially when they missed the Magpies’ VFL finals due to lingering concussion symptoms and haven’t actually played at any level in more than a month.

Likelihood: Yeah nah

7. Bri Davey

Pros: Running amok in the AFLW, Davey might just be the most in-form player at the Magpies at the moment. Cutting a swathe through the women’s competition, the Pies captain and 2021 league best and fairest winner is a smooth mover with beautiful skills who offers leadership by the bucketload – all more than handy attributes to have in a grand final.

Cons: There’s always an injury concern with Davey – she has suffered two serious knee injuries in her career to date, and just last week was hobbled by an ankle issue, though she played on. It’s a big risk to take someone like that into a grand final sight unseen. Also, I’m fairly sure that as a woman registered in a different competition she’s ineligible to be picked, but I’ll need to confirm this.

Likelihood: Better than Air Bud’s and that worked pretty well

The Crowd Says:

2023-09-29T00:36:07+00:00

Scyphus

Roar Rookie


Billy Don’t Be A Hero?

2023-09-28T03:09:12+00:00

Tezza knows

Roar Rookie


If you saw footage on the footy show last night of Lipinski’s play, it was awful, poor.. the voices are getting louder about dropping him,but is it too late. I have canned Lipinski for weeks. I got it right…it just so exasperating to see selection of this dud against a very strong team. We can’t afford to carry Lipinski. What’s your analysis?

2023-09-27T10:26:53+00:00

Chanon

Roar Rookie


Reckon Noble will play

2023-09-27T10:14:42+00:00

Tezza knows

Roar Rookie


Ginnivan is ill disciplined, he needs the riot act read to him for giving away frees, and must get the message. Lipinski… such grave, grave error to leave this dud in. McCreery, Checkers, Elliot need to put a press on the silky Brisbane defenders Coleman and McKenna. The press will be critical in the GF, decisive and vice like. Cox likes the spotlight, we must put him in that spotlight, his spotlight. That’s full forward, and that’s where he believes he is unbeatable, and he is. His leads are so unfussed, deliberate, focussed and even perfect, and his marking is mesmerisingly executed with ease, he just floats on top of the world, in complete command. When he lands, you get a great big dose that air of superiority from him, and that unique indomitable spirit, borrowed from the yanks that fits perfectly. Cox will be our X factor hero on Saturday. He will be the inspiration.. at full forward mainly, but exquisitely executing some Polly Framer like wizardly at those centre bounces for the very big guns Pendlebury and Degoey to grab and do burn outs with from the centre .. the helter skelter Pies are the ones.

2023-09-27T08:59:05+00:00

Peter the Scribe

Roar Guru


Would be a blow for Lipinski Kevo but it was also a blow for Noble. Fly likes Lipinski delivery forward but Nobles desperation and run would be handy.

2023-09-27T08:34:12+00:00

Kevo

Roar Rookie


We need a tall for sure, otherwise giving Brisbane big fellas a free reign to run amok. Frampton appears the only option, good to hear hes been training well. Been serviceable all year. Big challenge against the best. Ginnivan definite sub Noble for Lipinski could be on the cards. Bad luck and feel for Adams and McStay. McStay just starting to find his feet as a Pie. Adams was just about Pies best in the 18 GF. He does turn the ball over but great grunt work. Glad Pies have made the early call.

2023-09-27T07:43:21+00:00

Gabe F

Roar Rookie


because we were going to play him, and we should start noble over lipinski- forgot to put him in there

2023-09-27T07:28:21+00:00

moe_syzlak

Roar Rookie


still doesnt make sense …. your calling for 2 ins – to replace 2 outs ….. adams was never in the team to drop in the first place …… so how are you going to fit noble and frampton in a team when youre only dropping 1 ….. champ

2023-09-27T07:20:49+00:00

Gabe F

Roar Rookie


i meant out injured champ

2023-09-27T07:19:13+00:00

moe_syzlak

Roar Rookie


minor problem …. how can you drop adams from a team he hasnt played in for a few weeks because of injury

2023-09-27T06:47:37+00:00

Jimmy Woods

Roar Rookie


Billy is in

2023-09-27T06:36:36+00:00

mrl

Roar Rookie


I still do not understand why a coach would not order a useless player to knock out the opposition's best player...and then replace him for the rest of the game. Take advantage of no send-off.

2023-09-27T05:44:34+00:00

Gabe F

Roar Rookie


In: Noble, Frampton Out: Mcstay, Adams Sub: Ginnivan I feel like we are forgetting that Noble can play as a centre, and he could certainly be a replacement for Adams, and also pinch hit down back if we throw Howe forward. Frampton seems the obvious choice for Mcstay but i wouldn’t be surprised if they pick Krueger either.

2023-09-27T05:01:35+00:00

Tezza knows

Roar Rookie


We know for sure that Lipinski must be dumped. By every measure, he’s a non performer. Kreuger has been mismanaged as well as x. Factor Ash J, and hd would be my walk up start. If he played seniors all the way through, he would not be injured. It’s an indictment on McRae. Ginnivan and Noble in and Billy F the sub . I don’t know how well prepared Kreuger is; if he was running and training well, I’d play him instead of Frampton.. they won’t. In this match McCreery has to pull the finger out, and get more ball, ditto for Elliott and Checkers. If they don’t shut down many Brisbane defence exits, the Pies will get beaten. At times we need Nick D and Josh forward to press Brisbane half backs, who are skilled runners. Pies support team: GET ICE VESTS , DONT FORGET

2023-09-27T02:01:22+00:00

Jimmy Woods

Roar Rookie


Only thing might be to sub Noble for Ginnivan. More versatile.

2023-09-27T01:25:44+00:00

Gharner

Roar Rookie


WHE went forward in Q4 last week and gave the smalls an opportunity. Also a proven goalkicker. If they think he can do it for four quarters, Noble comes in and fills his usual role. Frampton isn't overly quick and lacks goals (not that that's always been an issue going into a GF), so not sure he's the right fit. But compared to WHE he does have the size against the bigger defence. Could be a defining call.

2023-09-27T00:36:38+00:00

mrl

Roar Rookie


That guy Gillon must be a great player or brilliant coach...he is always on TV.

2023-09-27T00:28:20+00:00

Peter the Scribe

Roar Guru


In: Frampton Out: McStay (inj) Sub: Ginnivan Billy was training forward, practicing goal kicking and is a like for like replacement. His goal kicking record so far not a fair check because he played back and ruck a lot of that time. Cameron found form in the preliminary and was excellent at training this week and Cox was fantastic in the ruck against GWS. It’s possible Mihocek might stick on Andrews to keep him honest. Can’t see Howe forward after his excellent game in defence last week unless we are desperate. Fly is happy that Ginnivan provides impact when subbed in.

2023-09-27T00:15:54+00:00

Pope Paul VII

Roar Rookie


I just want Frampton to play so, in the event he does something, someone, probably Huddo,gets to say "Frampton comes alive!"

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