'The level of delusion is something else': Eddie McGuire's defence of his disastrous coaching succession plan is ridiculous

By Les Zig / Roar Guru

I unwittingly caught part of Eddie McGuire and Jimmy Bartel’s podcast last week.

Fifteen minutes in, McGuire, yet again, went into defending Collingwood’s infamous succession plan – the deal that he spearheaded as club president in 2009, signing Nathan Buckley to a two-year apprenticeship under Mick Malthouse for 2010 and 2011, with Buckley taking over in his own right in 2012.

McGuire said Caroline Wilson always referred to it as ‘the disastrous succession plan’. He indignantly refuted that assertion, then qualified it as ‘the one that went preliminary final, premiership, grand final, preliminary final, and then onto grand final, preliminary final, final, one year [out of finals], preliminary final, and premiership’.

The level of misdirection here is astonishing. The level of delusion is something else.

McGuire will bluster and bully anybody who questions the succession plan, but if he’s going to throw this opinion out then it deserves a response.

He immediately ascribes 2009 to the succession plan – that’s the year Collingwood signed the contract, and a full year before Buckley joined the club in any official capacity. But, somehow, Collingwood’s preliminary final appearance gets listed on the succession plan’s CV.

Then comes Malthouse’s 2010 premiership triumph – the first year Buckley was an assistant coach. Now, obviously, it’s possible that Buckley contributed intel into the gameplan that helped the Pies evolve from contenders to premiers. But would it have happened had Buckley not been there?

After Geelong had smashed the Pies in the 2009 preliminary final, Malthouse knew he had to find a way to beat the Cats. That methodology was derived from the defence St. Kilda had applied so successfully to asphyxiate teams – the Saints were the least-scored-against team in 2009 by a collective 367 points.

Collingwood learned to do it better, and thus the press was born.

Nathan Buckley and Mick Malthouse (Photo by Hamish Blair/Getty Images)

I’ve heard fans argue that the succession plan put a rocket up Malthouse, who, apparently, was just using his senior coaching gig as a paycheque and superannuation plan.

This, of course, ignores Collingwood making the 2002 and 2003 grand finals, and finals from 2006-2009 – including preliminary finals in 2007 and 2009. Was Malthouse taking his job seriously here and then stopped? Or was the succession plan somehow, retrospectively, behind all these premiership assaults?

This whole assertion is spurious – so Malthouse decided to get serious about a flag tilt in the two years he had remaining in his tenure? Why? Was it going to save his job? Because it obviously didn’t, and he could’ve politicked for his retention.

His coaching pedigree to this point showed he was getting Collingwood in grand finals and finals.

Including 2010 and 2011 into the succession plan’s success is absurd, because the very name itself talks about what’s meant to happen next. Why else would you have a succession plan if it’s not about, well, succession?

McGuire reeled off all these years the Pies made finals but blatantly ignored 2014-2017 – four years they missed finals The last time that had happened at Collingwood was 1995-1999 – an era that ended ingloriously with a wooden spoon.

Prior to that, the last block of Collingwood missing the finals was 1940 – 1945, which shows you how unusual a prolonged absence from contention is.

Also, information has begun leaking out about that 2010-11 period. Buckley himself has spoken about relationships being broken. Malthouse and former players have talked about how they thought they were going to embark on a mini-dynasty. And why wouldn’t they believe that?

At the time of 2010, they were the youngest premiership team for 38 years. Look at the core of that side: Alan Didak 27, Dane Swan 26, Heath Shaw 25, Travis Cloke and Dale Thomas 23, Nathan Brown, Scott Pendlebury and Chris Dawes 22, Ben Reid 21, Steele Sidebottom 19 – just to name a few.

In his autobiography, Dane Swan poses that whoever succeeded Malthouse was always going to struggle because too many of the players were just too allied to him.

(Photo by Getty Images)

Swan said this wasn’t exclusively about Buckley – it would have happened with anybody. He also claims Malthouse defused talk of a petition to retain him.

So McGuire dismissed a premiership coach, fractured a successful environment, and handed the pieces to Buckley to somehow try to make whole.

Collingwood were listless in 2012-13 – symptomatic of the football they’d play the next four years. While they made a preliminary final in 2012, they never looked truly capable against either of the eventual grand finalists, Hawthorn, and Sydney. In 2013, Collingwood puttered into the finals, before losing to Port Adelaide at the MCG.

From the premiership team, Brown, Heritier Lumumba, Shaw, Sharrod Wellingham, Cloke, Dayne Beams, Dawes and Thomas would all be traded out – that’s over one-third of the flag 22, which tells you something in itself. Several other players retired acrimoniously.

This is not to have a shot at Buckley – it’s testament to what the environment must have been like where so many relationships were unworkable, and the extreme measures that were required to try and impose order.

Something else to factor in is Collingwood’s salary cap woes. It astonishes me that no one has examined exactly what was happening at the Pies at the time.

In the years following their 2018 grand final appearance, Collingwood traded out James Aish, Adam Treloar, Jaidyn Stephenson, and Tom Phillips, on top of retirements such as Ben Reid, Travis Varcoe, Beams and Matthew Scharenberg… and somehow still had a tight cap.

When Malthouse signed that contract early in 2009, it looked like a smart decision. He’d been there since 2000 and hadn’t been able to lead Collingwood to a flag.

From 2005-2009, all grand final coaches – Mark Williams, Paul Roos, John Worsfold, Mark Thompson, Alastair Clarkson, and Ross Lyon – were next generation. Malthouse’s contemporaries –Matthews and Kevin Sheedy – were gone. Change seemed necessary.

But once Malthouse brought Collingwood to the 2010 flag, that reasoning became unsound. Malthouse proved he not only still had relevance, but that he had become the best coach in the game with one of the best lists at his disposal – a list that had a strong spine, excellent midfield, class on every line, and wanted to play for him.

Given he had just brought Collingwood to their first flag since 1990, and led the team to successive grand finals, he had every right to feel he still had something to offer. Right now, Collingwood was working better than it ever had.

Circumstances change. Clubs adapt – or try to for the betterment of their future. Sticking with something that’s not working, or not going to work, is folly.

The succession plan might have been a good idea early in 2009, but by the time of Collingwood’s 2010 flag triumph, the wisdom behind it should have been re-evaluated. Given the circumstances, I’m sure all parties would’ve understood.

Had they postponed the succession plan, there is no guarantee it would have been successful. But as the old adage goes, if it’s not broken, don’t fix it.

McGuire not only tried to fix what wasn’t broken, but also broke what wasn’t broken.

Collingwood’s 2023 flag has nothing to do with the succession plan. In fact, the bloated salary cap has undoubtedly impacted the club’s ability to list-manage as they might like, so they should be commended for their Moneyball solutions.

It’s laughable that McGuire has roped this flag into his succession plan straw man to try manufacture validation.

Should any historian ever document Collingwood’s contemporary history, I have no doubt that the plan will ultimately be deemed the worst decision the club’s ever made.

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It resulted in sacking of a relevant premiership coach, handed his successor an impossible situation to navigate, yanked apart a talented list playing brilliant football, engorged the salary cap, and resulted in one of the dreariest periods in Collingwood’s history which, inevitably, led to McGuire’s own demise as president.

Caroline Wilson is right. It was disastrous.

But I guess McGuire has to keep pushing the fairytale, because the reality is just too ugly.

The Crowd Says:

2023-11-29T03:29:23+00:00

dargerovitch

Roar Rookie


Sam Mitchell?

2023-11-18T09:41:05+00:00

George Apps

Roar Rookie


We'll never really know.

2023-11-18T09:37:54+00:00

George Apps

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I think Buckley wanted the players to do what he wanted and to be as good as he was, but without much compassion - he couldn't see that it wasn't working.

2023-10-21T03:52:43+00:00

Josephp

Roar Rookie


I think Eddie wanted what was best for Collingwood but he allowed his personal relationship with Nathan Buckley to interfere with his rational thinking. No denying Eddie's passion for Collingwood, but there are times human emotions cloud our judgements, and close personal relationships with stakeholders contaminate decision making, and therefore it is often wise to disqualify one self from decision making when one has one of these close personal relationship with a stakeholder.

2023-10-20T23:38:03+00:00

Peter the Scribe

Roar Guru


Thanks Mr Right. Was certain another heartbreak coming when Cameron put them in front with 5 minutes left! We finally won a close GF.

2023-10-20T20:13:23+00:00

Mr Right

Roar Rookie


Very super side no doubt both on paper & the pitch. But the all-time great sides don't lose GFs by 6 goals. Very close to a wasted era if they didn't win the 2010 replay. BTW PTS, congrats on the Premiership win. Have your finger nails recovered yet?

2023-10-20T19:53:50+00:00

Mr Right

Roar Rookie


Best Collingwood team or the best AFL team you have ever seen?

2023-10-20T06:35:43+00:00

Don Freo

Roar Rookie


It's nothing like that. Which bit is "much like" that?

2023-10-19T23:58:33+00:00

Michael

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You know you're right Dom none of those things happened I just hate Buckley. Much in the same way as WW2 didn't happen we all just chose to hate Adolf. You rewrite history any way you like, I give up.

2023-10-19T23:04:28+00:00

Don Freo

Roar Rookie


I understand what you're saying. It's just silly. That wasn't what happened. You are just choosing to hate him.

2023-10-19T22:59:23+00:00

Michael

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Ok I'll give it one more go but please understand this before one of us die. You can't take over the youngest list to win a flag in 32 years proceed to drive them into the ground within two then 'would have, could have, should have but didn't win a flag' seven years later with a list that bears little resemblance to the one you took over then call it a success. Why can't you understand this? All the best Don.

2023-10-19T18:57:21+00:00

Boo

Roar Rookie


The 2011 Pies side was like the 08 Cat's team played about 40 great games but weren't at there best in the challenge for back to back flags .

2023-10-19T11:15:07+00:00

Jimmy Woods

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Interesting take Les. Early years of Eddie were good for us. He case managed the transition of Tony Shaw out for Mick. He actively brought back former club greats to unite the club, including Peter Moore & Phil Carmen. That healing has served us well. As for the wooden spoon, the final games of Tony Shaw ensured we won the Josh Fraser Cup. Mick was great to build us back up for 2002/03. But compare the Lions team of 03 to our boys. There were blokes there I had to think long and hard to remember versus an all time great team. It is a testament to coaching that Mick got us there and we came so close in 02. Much like Tommy Hafey who coached good ordinary teams into the last game. Mick rebuilt us for 2010 and we came up against tough teams. In 2011 we ran out of puff, carried some injuries and Tommahawk came of age. Close but not good enough. Cats too good. The succession. I recall Mick missing games in 09 and health was an issue. In 2010 he was invigorated and my mail was Buckley was integral. In 2011, Micks mood changed as the footy media went hard slamming the succession plan. I heard that Mick basically benched Bucks into menial tasks in open resistance to the plan. A good idea, no it wasn’t. It was Tony Shaw on repeat. A club great coaching teammates did not work. Bucks was offered the coaching job at North by Brayshaw and just as Carlton did similar to Tony Shaw as an assistant, our obsession led to offering the senior job to our former captains. The Lions and Voss would regret similarly and just as Vossy has found his groove I reckon Buckley will be outstanding if he tries it again. I hope not because I doubt he would coach us again, Port would suit him. Eddie and hubris. Similar to Big Jack at Carlton and Ask Jeff at hawks, great successes had to come to an end. Eddie just stayed too long and made some very bad comments that did not help us. I am still grateful for his leadership in the first 10 years. Should have gone after the Adam Goodes debacle, just hurtful and embarrassing all round. Did the succession help us get McCrae? You bet it did as we went outside of our bubble, modelled it on Hawthorn and Richmond, got another club great back in Graham Wright, Jeff Browne stepped in take control and got Craig Kelly back also. No way was this leadership going to make the same mistakes and despite it all, pies still came close under Bucks for the most part, including 2018. The Treloar and Stevo trades did not hurt us. Neither has Grundy. I was beside myself at the time but it looks like Bucks took one almighty hit for the cause and his celebration this year is delightful. Sacking Tom Hafey in 1982 was the worst for me. Club sank into the abyss. Overall, they all bled for Collingwood with best of intentions.

2023-10-19T05:30:57+00:00

Don Freo

Roar Rookie


Of course it's relevant. A successful team indicates a successful coaching appointment.

2023-10-19T05:23:46+00:00

ColinT

Roar Rookie


George, it is not rare at all that top players make good coaches. Just look at the record of the most successful coaches. Starting with Jock McHale, a great player and most successful coach. Norm Smith, another great player and successful coach. In more recent times: Ron Barassi, David Parkin, Kevin Sheedy, Malcolm Blight, Leigh Matthews, Mark Thompson, Damien Hardwick, Chris Scott, Craig McRae were all very good players who made good coaches. In fact, when you look at the list of VFL/AFL premiership coaches there are a very large number of very good past players.

2023-10-19T01:12:18+00:00

Greg

Roar Rookie


As I have said, I do not intend to make any nasty comments about great players. My first memory of Barassi, is of him walking down the outer wing at Junction Oval, yelling instructions to the players ahead. He was intense on and off the field. From a kid I listened everytime he spoke football. If you recall the look on Matthews's face when played, it could only be described as morose and aggressive. He concentrated fully on what he was doing. Both of these great players made great coaches in their own way. As true greats of the game they were able to make the transition. It's not to the detriment of any other great player who failed to achieve what they did. Eddie made a mistake. It's as simple as that for me.

2023-10-19T01:09:36+00:00

Michael

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No Don, the point is valid you just don't understand. I'll try to explain it to you. The article was about the succession plan with occurred at the end of the 2011 season. The author is saying it was unsuccessful as he believes being such a young side they should have been challenging for years to come immediately following. They didn't, within a couple of years they were out of the finals. You then bring up as 'evidence' Buckley's performance in 2018 a full seven years later, not relevant to what we're talking about Dom! Comprede?

2023-10-18T23:41:52+00:00

dargerovitch

Roar Rookie


Too right, Dingo. And spare a thought for us Hawthorn supporters who had to endure the verbal brain farts of club Pres. Jeff Kennett for far too many years.

2023-10-18T23:25:13+00:00

Angela

Roar Rookie


'McGuire will bluster and bully anybody who questions...' anything he says or believes. He never does Collingwood - the team he is so emotionally invested in - any favours. How does that old saying go? 'It's better to say nothing and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt' He should stick to his quiz shows.

2023-10-18T21:55:55+00:00

Peter the Scribe

Roar Guru


The 2011 team was awesome George but the Cats beat us three times. Hawks were also coming and nearly did us in the preliminary too.

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