How much is that Bull-Doggie in the window? Foxx hunt highlights failure of NRL's November 1 contract system

By Paul Suttor / Expert

Josh Addo-Carr’s being allowed to stray, Jarome Luai can pledge his future for 2025 elsewhere next week and Ryan Papenhuyzen is dealing with a phantom menace. 

The NRL silly season is downright stupid. 

After all the argy-bargy, bluff and bluster of the NRL vs RLPA saga over the CBA negotiations, the lunacy of the November 1 system has remained. 

That means Luai and any other NRL player off contract after the end of next season can, as of next Wednesday, sign a deal at one of the other 16 clubs a full 12 months before reporting for pre-season duty and another four months before playing a meaningful match for a prospective new club. 

The NRL wanted trade windows but the RLPA pushed back and in the end the system started to resemble a camel despite the intentions of the respective committees trying to design a horse. 

(Photo by Jason McCawley/Getty Images)

In one of the few concessions made after all those hours at the negotiating table is that players now can’t hold transfer discussions with other clubs before November rolls around. 

Previously, clubs could talk to agents about deals but not sign one until the clock struck midnight on Halloween. 

The NRL is now waving around a big stick to say there will be harsh sanctions for anyone found guilty of breaching the deadline to chat about deals. 

That will be almost impossible to monitor. 

What will be just as hard to stop is all the speculation over player movements which is the oxygen that fuels the NRL news cycle all year long, particularly at times like now when the last fleeting moments for the year are playing out with the Pacific Championships. 

Despite what many pub experts like to think, stories like Canterbury being open to offers for Addo-Carr and Papenhuyzen’s tenure at the Storm being less than rock solid aren’t just plucked out of thin air by reporters. 

There is no honour among thieves and no trust when it comes to the parties negotiating deals in the rugby league maelstrom. 

Spoiler alert (which shouldn’t be required for a movie that old) but when NRL contract negotiations get leaked to the media, the CEOs, coaches and player agents end up replicating the standoff scene from Reservoir Dogs.

And it doesn’t end well for anyone concerned. 

Canterbury clearly need to bolster their pack after the departures of Tevita Pangai jnr to boxing, Luke Thompson, Franklin Pele and Jayden Okunbor to the Super League, Corey Waddell to Manly, and club captain Raymond Faitala-Mariner being told he can leave despite having two years on his deal after he had a run-in with coach Cameron Ciraldo over the club’s intense training methods and hardline punishments for stepping out of line. 

What the Dogs don’t particularly need is a high-priced winger who is quite frankly going to waste on the end of a misfiring attacking unit. 

And Addo-Carr has left himself open to speculation about his future by brawling at the Koori Knockout, admitting to playing after being concussed on a podcast and making ill-considered social media posts. 

If he is lining up for the Dogs in Round 1 it will only be because the Bulldogs couldn’t strike a suitable deal to offload his contract while simultaneously replacing his salary cap chunk with a big bopper who can give them some bite up front. 

It’s no surprise that Addo-Carr is in high demand even though he’s tarnished his value on the back of his two-game ban from the Koori Knockout brawl which cost the 27-year-old his place in the Kangaroos squad in the Pacific Championships. 

He would be perfect for Parramatta. 

If the Eels are any chance of prying open the premiership window which looks to be closing on the back of their plummet from runners-up to 10th, they need attacking firepower out wide. 

Maika Sivo gives them that on one flank but the rest of their centres, wingers and fullback Clint Gutherson are solid finishers without being spectacular scoring threats. 

The Foxx can be just that for them. 

Ryan Papenhuyzen. (Photo by Bradley Kanaris/Getty Images)

Parra have little salary cap room and you could see why Ryan Matterson could be jettisoned as he is on big dollars but hasn’t been making an impact that justifies his price tag over the past season. 

As an aside, Wests Tigers fans would get a rare reason to smile if Matterson is pushed out of a contract early after he broke a deal with them to engineer a switch to Parra. 

Addo-Carr would be a long shot to head to Newcastle even though they have a Dominic Young-sized hole to fill on their flank while the Dragons can’t be ruled out. 

New coach Shane Flanagan is eager to land his first major signing in the hope it will create a domino effect like when he convinced Luke Lewis to become a Shark when the Test star was on the way out of Penrith more than a decade ago.  

And in what can only be described as an on brand move, the Tigers are holding out a paw for Addo-Carr to return to the club after they let him walk as a rookie to become a star at the Storm. 

Coincidentally, or perhaps it’s not a coincidence at all when you think about how the club has been run, Papenhuyzen also started out as a Wests Tiger and he would be a game-changer if they could convince him to come back. 

The only problem is the Storm have poo-pooed suggestions they have, would or will consider releasing him from his deal in light of his wretched run with injuries. 

Poor old Papi has also spoken out to say he will prove wrong whichever go-between third party stooge tried to get word out that the Storm would not stand in his way if he wanted to leave so they could clear the runway for prodigiously talented rookie Sua Fa’alogo to inherit the No.1 jersey. 

Luai is the other star in the spotlight at the moment over his playing future and for once the Penrith star is keeping quiet while he figures out whether to take the best offer he can get from the club where he’s won three premierships or get more zeroes elsewhere for 2025 and beyond. 

The Panthers’ best offer looks like it will be well shy of what teams like the Tigers, Dragons, Raiders and others will send Luai’s way. 

Luai has his fair share of critics but it can’t be denied that he’s a very good playmaker in a market where there’s very few available. 

The market will dictate what he’s worth and, as was the case five years ago with St George Illawarra blowing their rival bidders out of the water to sign Ben Hunt, it only takes one team’s offer to dramatically shift the landscape. 

Jarome Luai. (Photo by Getty Images/Getty Images)

But the fact that players and teams are allowed and forced to operate in a system where these decisions are made so far out from when they’ll actually take place is the problem. 

Luai could have the best or worst year of his career next season, drastically changing his value but he and his prospective bosses are in a situation where they have to speculate on what he will be worth. 

Which of course will lead to even more speculation in the media with everyone involved side-eyeing each other with suspicion. 

The Crowd Says:

2023-10-28T06:51:36+00:00

KenW

Roar Rookie


I'm with you on the transfer date stuff. The old June 30 deadline was a complete farce with 6 months of educated speculation preceding it and a flurry of signings the moment the date passed.

2023-10-28T06:49:04+00:00

KenW

Roar Rookie


I wouldn't say a winger is what they need either, Dragons number 1 priority should be a star middle, but it's a very young backline and JAC is a wildcard. Would be happy if they signed him.

2023-10-27T23:50:17+00:00

Brett Allen

Roar Rookie


I’m not saying other clubs don’t do that, of course they do, I’m just saying because of that he might not be that keen to come back.

2023-10-27T23:48:40+00:00

Brett Allen

Roar Rookie


Fair enough, I’ve just been hearing all this talk of this kid Jack Cole, I thought you as a Panthers tragic might have more insight. What doesn’t he give you that you think Ethan Sanders will ?

2023-10-27T23:46:27+00:00

Panthers

Roar Rookie


No different to how the Broncos & other clubs operate , or how Bennett himself operates. I guess you missed the part where he came back to assist 3 grades to win finals & GF’s.

2023-10-27T23:43:20+00:00

Short Memory

Roar Rookie


Agree TB. The article has a dummy spit about all the supposed flaws in the Nov 1 transfer system but doesn’t offer any alternatives. If the system is genuinely terrible, then what are the 3 better alternatives? And why are they better? Perhaps it’s like Churchill said of democracy “It’s the worst system of government – except for all the others”…

2023-10-27T23:40:37+00:00

Panthers

Roar Rookie


See below…Don’t know how good Cole is? Haven’t seen him as having any great success as yet. He was in & out of the Cup side. From previous reports & who knows the accuracy of them? Penrith supposedly made contact previously with Sanders. If he’s available & Penrith requires another player in the halves. Why not? He’s stuck behind Moses & Brown at the Eels. $850,000 may not be enough for Luai? It would be more than enough for Sanders , plus another player.

2023-10-27T23:31:39+00:00

Panthers

Roar Rookie


I don’t think that Sony Luke will hold his position within the club, after next season. Unfortunately he’s been shown to have too many flaws within his game. Would like to be proven wrong, but can’t see it at this stage. Sommerton is now also in front of him , as far as his position is concerned.

2023-10-27T08:58:14+00:00

souvalis

Roar Rookie


Did you see the James Graham podcast on the media ? They have no accountability.

2023-10-27T08:29:11+00:00

Brett Allen

Roar Rookie


After the way they ruthlessly dumped him to park footy when he told them he had signed with the Dolphins it’s gonna take a lot to get him back I would’ve thought.

2023-10-27T08:26:23+00:00

Brett Allen

Roar Rookie


I’ll ask again, what’s wrong with Jack Cole ? The Panthers are lowballing Luai because they have him in reserve.

2023-10-27T08:10:10+00:00

Maxtruck

Roar Rookie


They have been too good for too long not to have an ace up their sleeve. Soni Like a potential 5/8?

2023-10-27T08:07:17+00:00

The Barry

Roar Guru


… but, but, but… where there’s smoke there’s fire… :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

2023-10-27T07:44:18+00:00

Panthers

Roar Rookie


If the Panthers can buy one of the best young halves around, whether from Parramatta or anyone else. Why shouldn’t they?

2023-10-27T07:42:26+00:00

Panthers

Roar Rookie


That is a good idea. It would be interesting to see if he’d want to come back. Although that would take at least another two years & no club can make any offer to him for another year.

2023-10-27T07:39:56+00:00

Panthers

Roar Rookie


The Warriors have bought two of Penrith’s young halves , as has Cronulla in the last two years. Add in Katoa , O’Sullivan, Cogger & Falls. How many halves do you think they have?

2023-10-27T07:36:37+00:00

Maxtruck

Roar Rookie


Panther lost Cogger and Falls for next year, but picked up Schneider ? same for same or Panthers losing out ? When you add Katoa going to the Dolphins last year have to think Panthers must have a young gun half hidden in a cupboard.

2023-10-27T07:35:42+00:00

matth

Roar Guru


Yeah, last year Redcliffe were supposedly going to sign enough talent to blow three salary caps

2023-10-27T07:34:22+00:00

matth

Roar Guru


What about enticing Katoa back after he’s done his apprenticeship under Bennett. He’s been given a lot more first grade experience than he otherwise would have got and maybe he’d come back for a first grade jersey at Penrith

2023-10-27T06:24:42+00:00

Redcap

Roar Guru


"Yep. Getting contracts sorted a year out knocks a lot of the media scuttlebutt and rumour mongering out of the picture... They can’t run a different “where will he end up…?” story every second day for a year if the ink’s drying on the contract" Not to mention the spin-off stories - 'continuing speculation over X's future destabilising the club,' 'Dressing room split over X's contract stance,' 'X's mum lashes out at media and club over constant speculation - it's time X made up his mind'... Hmm... I wonder if that's why 'the system's broken' comes up every time there's so much of a rumour about an even moderately well-known player changing clubs? Just a theory. :happy:

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