How about no, Joe: Any way you look at it, this all talk, no action England team not ‘man for man’ better than Aussies

By Paul Suttor / Expert

It’s the kind of thing players say when they’re down to the last motivational trick in the kitbag and Joe Root was clearly clutching at straws by claiming England were a better team than Australia. 

With the Stuart Broad as chief protagonist era officially over, Root stepped up to try to put the Aussies off their game before Saturday’s World Cup showdown at Ahmedabad by claiming “man for man, I’d have this team every day over the Australians”.

His teammates probably appreciated the sentiment – what else is he going to say: “A few of our players are better than the Aussies but some of them are pie-chuckers and flat-track bullies by comparison.”

Even though based on recent performances, those descriptions are pretty apt when assessing what will go down as the worst World Cup title defence by any team in the nearly 50-year history of the event. 

To jog old Joe’s memory, which clearly needs a freshen-up, his team has managed just one measly win in India over Bangladesh, which has been the only rival line-up travelling anywhere nearly as badly as this English rabble.

They were thumped by New Zealand to open the Cup with nine wickets and 14 overs to spare, outclassed by Afghanistan in a 69-run upset which probably turns out wasn’t one after all, obliterated by 229 runs when they collapsed against South Africa and pounded by eight wickets to give Sri Lanka one of their two wins. 

Even when England got their bowling right to restrict India to 9-229 in their most recent outing, they still managed to lose by an even 100 such has been the ineptitude of their batting. 

England have followed the Australian selection strategy of sticking by their golden generation of stars with not one player under 30 in their current XI. 

At least the Aussie veterans overcame their slow start to post four straight wins and rise into third spot to be all but assured of a semi-final berth with England, Afghanistan and Bangladesh their only remaining opponents in the group stage.

One of those teams is capable of giving them a run for their money and it’s the team that’s only been a full member nation for a few years compared to the other two. 

Sri Lanka celebrate the run out of Joe Root. (Photo by Matt Roberts-ICC/ICC via Getty Images)

The nucleus of the side which made England the first nation to concurrently hold the T20 and ODI World Cups is now looking well past their prime and the axe will likely fall on several big names when the Indian dust settles from this failed campaign. 

Ben Stokes’ decision to come out of ODI “retirement” has shown that even the world’s best players can’t pick and choose when they dip in and out of formats. 

The fact that he’s been nowhere near peak fitness means he would have been better off taking an extended break after the Ashes to concentrate on England’s upcoming five-Test tour of India early in the new year.

He’s going to have another knee surgery after this campaign is over. Why wait? Shut it down now. It would be foolish if England risk playing him again in their final three matches of playing for pride. 

They’re also trying to avoid the embarrassment of not finishing in the top eight which will mean they won’t qualify for the Champions Trophy in Pakistan in 2025. 

The only silver lining for them on that front is that this virtually pointless ICC event probably won’t go ahead because India will find a way to worm out of going to Pakistan. 

Apart from Stokes, the English “brains trust” would be well served to tell Root, captain Jos Buttler, Moeen Ali, Chris Woakes, Mark Wood that they need to concentrate on one format or be told they’re no longer required altogether in the future for England to rebuild. 

Their chances of retaining the T20 crown next June in the Caribbean and US are looking pretty slim even if they can engineer it so that pace spearhead Jofra Archer is fit and available in what is sadly becoming an infrequent occurrence on the international stage.

Ben Stokes at Wankhede Stadium. (Photo by Gareth Copley/Getty Images)

Root’s “man for man” claim continues the theme of unnecessary hubris from the various England sides over the past few months. 

They have supposedly revolutionised Test cricket with their Bazball style which has been successful to a point but they still weren’t able to regain the Ashes on home soil and the trip to India will also be another litmus test for its effectiveness when pitches aren’t made to order. 

And if it still needs pointing out, let’s take a quick look through the respective first-choice ODI XIs and work out, man for man, who would make the Sidchrome super team if you had both sides to choose from. 

Openers – David Warner and Travis Head vs Jonny Bairstow and Dawid Malan. Australia 2-0. 

Middle order – Mitch Marsh, Steve Smith and Marnus Labuschagne vs Root, Stokes and Buttler. On current form, it’s now 5-0 to the green corner. 

Closers – Glenn Maxwell and Josh Inglis or Moeen Ali and Liam Livingstone? Nuff said. Before this tournament you’d say Livingstone for sure but he hasn’t past 27 in five trips to the crease. That’s 7-0. 

Bowling attack: Pat Cummins, Mitchell Starc, Josh Hazlewood and Adam Zampa vs Chris Woakes, Mark Wood, David Wiley and Adil Rashid. Granted the Poms lost their best bowler early in the Cup when Rees Topley got injured again but it’s another whitewash in this department. 11-0. 

On reputations in the ODI arena, Root can mount a case for his teammates but on recent form, his argument doesn’t hold much water. 

And of course if you ask Cummins or any of the Australians, they wouldn’t trade any of their players for this England mob either. 

The Crowd Says:

2023-11-06T00:19:26+00:00

tommy42069

Roar Rookie


Storm in a teacup. What do you expect him to say? "yes, my team is much worse than the Australians?"

2023-11-04T10:56:34+00:00

Paul

Roar Rookie


I always get the popping crease and the return crease mixed up!

2023-11-04T08:41:43+00:00

Wikipetia

Roar Rookie


Bah. Maxwell has been fantastic in the last 3 years in his disrupted career. Absolute cherry pick You said extended performance prior to the world cup

2023-11-04T08:35:52+00:00

Barney

Roar Rookie


Exactly

2023-11-04T08:34:16+00:00

Ben Pobjie

Expert


It’s his own but it’s got arthritis

2023-11-04T08:32:52+00:00

Ben Pobjie

Expert


Are you getting the popping crease confused with the return crease?

2023-11-04T08:25:18+00:00

Ben Pobjie

Expert


It only takes a few more golf cart accidents to bring about parity.

2023-11-04T08:20:50+00:00

Don Freo

Roar Rookie


The World Drollness Cup is yours.

2023-11-04T08:18:40+00:00

Don Freo

Roar Rookie


The captain and coach just took England to a T20 World Cup. The change n that dynamic is the addition of Stokes. Funny, that.

2023-11-04T08:16:35+00:00

Don Freo

Roar Rookie


The return crease no ball is back foot and, the quirkiness of the rule requires the bowler to ground the foot on the return crease for a no ball. If it is raised, even if it's across the line, it's OK.

2023-11-04T08:13:26+00:00

Don Freo

Roar Rookie


Why pre-WC? Nothing they did in the past has anything to do with how they play now.

2023-11-04T08:12:13+00:00

Don Freo

Roar Rookie


Green is comfortably ahead of Stokes.

2023-11-04T08:11:31+00:00

Pumping Dougie

Roar Guru


Root said some senseless, dilusional, cry-baby stuff during The Ashes, but I have no issue with what he said this time. He wasn't saying England were better than the Aussies. He was just saying he'd rather play with his teammates ... probably in the cot they provide. He'd much rather be surrounded by similarly dilusional people who all back-up what each other says, when the rest of the world is raising their eyebrows and sniggering at them. Economies of scale benefits in buying dummies in bulk. :silly:

2023-11-04T07:08:23+00:00

Rowdy

Roar Rookie


The love of root is the money of all evil

2023-11-04T06:30:02+00:00

DaveJ

Roar Rookie


Not in the terms I put it above - recent form prior to the WC. Livingstone averaged 39.6 with S/R of 117 since his debut in 2021. Maxi averaged 26.5 with S/Of 116. But he has moved ahead again during the World Cup.

2023-11-04T06:12:30+00:00

BWO

Roar Rookie


Only front foot return crease are being called.

2023-11-04T05:47:29+00:00

Wikipetia

Roar Rookie


Maxwell is so far ahead of Livingstone in ODI it’s not funny

2023-11-04T05:42:51+00:00

DaveJ

Roar Rookie


Hadn’t noticed. I thought all no balls were supposed to be detected automatically and called by the TMO, as some have.

2023-11-04T05:41:55+00:00

DaveJ

Roar Rookie


That’s all fine, but if you look at extended performance prior to the World Cup I’d take their middle order over ours - Root over Smith, Stokes over Marsh, Brook over Marnus, and Buttler well ahead of Inglis. Maxwell barely ahead of Livingstone. So if you appreciate what Root is trying to say - guys, remember, we’re a lot better than we’ve been playing - it’s not that silly. We’ve definitely got 4 better bowlers in terms of record, although our pace attack has hardly been better than England’s in this tournament.

2023-11-04T05:18:56+00:00

BWO

Roar Rookie


Off topic a little bit but I would like to ask the question "When did umpires decide not to call no balls on the popping crease?" I have seen dozens bowled this tournament and not one has been called.

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