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ok, just out of interest, and because i know you watch a lot of teams:

– what are the top 6 (in order) ruck/starting mids combos in 2024 (include injured players if they are likely to be in finals – if you wish)

– who are the top 10 (in order) midfielders in the comp

– at a rough guess, where would you rate the combos for each flag winner in the last 10 years (against their peers, that year).

only if you have time. I think it would be an interesting assessment, and garner responses.


i have no opinion and am unlikely to garner one this season.

Luke Beveridge is on borrowed time - he's an inconsistent coach who gets inconsistent results

and yet they pretty much broke even with the Dogs last round, who had English, Bont, Libba, Treloar etc


sometimes the pecking order evolves in front of our eyes.

they are naming Bruhn Parfitt and Blicvas as their onballers. premiership experience in the latter two.

Bruhn is a former pick 12 who went to the Cats for a first rounder. nobody knows how good he is. if the Cats go deep, self evidently some redefinition of who the best midfielders are will occur

Richmond won flags despite (a) in 2017 having not much of a forward line; (b) generally getting smashed at stoppages, especially centre bounce ones, despite a serviceable ruck, two Brownlow medallist midfielders and the very very worthy Prestia.


all predictions are valid. mine is that Geelong have sufficient all-paddock class and a soft draw, and 5 wins in the bank already, that make them a very, very strong chance to make top 4.

and with most of their team having recent Premiership success… they have a chance.

Luke Beveridge is on borrowed time - he's an inconsistent coach who gets inconsistent results

That was the point. You have simplified a complex equation that has an internal feedback loop

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Richmond never dominated clearances when we were dominant

Luke Beveridge is on borrowed time - he's an inconsistent coach who gets inconsistent results

They have midfield options to burn. The absence of Selwood and now Dangerfield is allowing others to step up.

They should be top 4. Once there you only have to time your run well and you are away.

(I think there team is better than it was in 2020, despite 2020. Having more big name players)

Luke Beveridge is on borrowed time - he's an inconsistent coach who gets inconsistent results

Well some of them surely remembered how it worked when you finished top in the final 5? Or had access to club champions who did?

Seems statistically uneasy that everyone got it wrong the first year then premiers got it right every year after?

Luke Beveridge is on borrowed time - he's an inconsistent coach who gets inconsistent results

Pies brought in Lipinski, Frampton, Hill, McStay,Mitchell, Markov as well as NDaicos

Giants under Kingsley shipped out mid tier players for overs which let younger (probably better) players push up. And have drafted to the wazoo. All the while keeping a solid core of maturing players.

Luke Beveridge is on borrowed time - he's an inconsistent coach who gets inconsistent results

Rebuild on the run is not the same as rebuild

Luke Beveridge is on borrowed time - he's an inconsistent coach who gets inconsistent results

It’s in the Guidelines

under the section “stupid stuff that undermines the whole point of the classification system”.

AFL News: Why Cameron escaped ban for dumping tackle, Blues star hit for six, Dees re-sign fan favourite

I was there the night he ignored and the ball and made Shane Edward’s the target. A gutless act that would get him 6 weeks now. He got 2

Richmond won.

AFL News: Why Cameron escaped ban for dumping tackle, Blues star hit for six, Dees re-sign fan favourite

Yet the Saints and Dogs aren’t in the 8 because they lost to Geelong

That “metric” never makes sense to me. Especially at this stage of the season.

AFL News: Why Cameron escaped ban for dumping tackle, Blues star hit for six, Dees re-sign fan favourite

To be honest I cant see how the Tribunal gets to apply its good behaviour discount to a player expressly pleading not guilty – and being found guilty.

If he walked in and said I did it, but please fine me for good behaviour – I think that would sit better with me?

AFL News: Why Cameron escaped ban for dumping tackle, Blues star hit for six, Dees re-sign fan favourite

Mind you it wasn’t much of a problem in 17, 18, 19, 21, 22 and now 23?

Luke Beveridge is on borrowed time - he's an inconsistent coach who gets inconsistent results

The greatest player in the comp…

But yes overall you might be right. But a club gets a chance to go :

– mostly same players, different coaches

– different players , same coach

When you have assembled a reasonable swag of potential stars (on paper) o think you should alway try option a. It’s pretty quick. You can always go to option b after.

Luke Beveridge is on borrowed time - he's an inconsistent coach who gets inconsistent results

The picture of a full frontal C Cameron in the 24 Tribunal guidelines seems most apt now

The principles are worth reading. This decision violates many of them.

Discounts for early guilty pleas no longer apply to extensions etc etc

They should give that good bloke discretion to Christian. He can grade it 1 and then downgrade it. Why should a WC. Decide who the good blokes are?

AFL News: Why Cameron escaped ban for dumping tackle, Blues star hit for six, Dees re-sign fan favourite

Richmond we’re getting smashed in 14 to be 3-9

Richmond were losing games in 16 by 100 points and clearly not playing for each other and the coach

Whereas the Giants in 18 looked like a potentially great side struggling to reach their potential. Not playing poorly (the funk). Just not being good enough when it mattered.

By end of 2018 he had had 5 years. With a seemingly superior list to m, say, Richmond, albeit probably a bit unseasoned still

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It’s asking a question now. My logic is mostly supported by the events of 19-22. But there was no way of knowing that. So it goes to principles reallY – I was for sacking hardwick in 16 and thought he should have quit at end of 21.

It certainly didn’t seem to me that the Giants were on the way to winning a flag under him, especially after 17

Luke Beveridge is on borrowed time - he's an inconsistent coach who gets inconsistent results

Yes but home fixture will see them get there

GC is the fascinating one. Well placed. With a coach who should be able to sell belief, even when the inevitable losses come.

Luke Beveridge is on borrowed time - he's an inconsistent coach who gets inconsistent results

I think they missed the big chance in 16. They were close but couldn’t get top 4 on 17. Then went backwards in 2018 while other lesser teams jumped over them. So that’s the moment. It seemed pretty clear that Cameron couldn’t take them all the way. (It wasn’t like a Hardwick era funk. It was just a maximum reached.)

The 2019 finals run was a crazy outlier, which we at Richmond were very grateful for. But they were 6th for a reason that year.

Luke Beveridge is on borrowed time - he's an inconsistent coach who gets inconsistent results

Yes I am not “not on” the purple wave, but I do think the Cats will be top 4

Luke Beveridge is on borrowed time - he's an inconsistent coach who gets inconsistent results

and i think you are right about the excluded – good players, fair enough – and the role players. the proven strategy for role players is to get them 100% committed to a role in a system – look at a Kam McIntosh, an Oleg Markov at the Pies.

the assessment is that the Dogs couldn’t flick the switch and win playing 2016 style footy with the list – 2021 was that opportunity, and it evaporated out the front of a stoppage.

so a rebuild on the run is the go – think Kingsley at the Giants; think Macrae at the Pies (about half the team that won the flag last year just missed out in 2018).

you either show you are smart enough as a coach to do that transition, or they get someone who can. Cameron Buckley and Hardwick (21-3) couldn’t wouldn’t or had used up the credits. Hardwick 2017 was manged into it.

Beveridge is going to give it a go by the looks of it. and they would be sound to give him to this time next year (at least) to see what it achieves. upping the quality of role players will be crucial next trade – Nankervis and Caddy were almost as important as the Prestia jag that year. if they wanted a smart moneyball move, they might make a too good to refuse move for Vlastuin. great interceptor, plays taller than he is, pretty good user, might fancy a last run at it?

Luke Beveridge is on borrowed time - he's an inconsistent coach who gets inconsistent results

yeah i thought they played at a very high level against the Cats, who must surely be flag faves (they are guaranteed top 4 from here, surely, and have the experience.)

Luke Beveridge is on borrowed time - he's an inconsistent coach who gets inconsistent results

but if all of that is the case why did they refuse to regrade as “low”?

they maintained it was medium – then applied a “good bloke” discount.

bizarre.

AFL News: Why Cameron escaped ban for dumping tackle, Blues star hit for six, Dees re-sign fan favourite

They led by 6 at halftime and 4 at 3/4 time

It was just a close hard affair. Unlucky to lose. But not.

Richmond lost multiple close games in 2017 and it was a key ingredient is us both hardening up but also believing we were thereabouts.

Defence is statistically proven to be slightly more important to winning a flag than attack. Plenty of time for Freo to open up a bit when they have top 4 assured (should be in top 3 by midpoint with the fixture) and the defensive structures are well and truly bedded down. That was the Richmond recipe in 2017.

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Yes but there was only one score above 101 on the finals last year, 9 game sample.

Dry weather games were won by 58, 50, 73…

Collingwood showed the value of two years worth of close scraps, in winning 3
Finals

In a comp that nobody will really dominate i think a season of tight finishes is brilliant prep for the pointy end

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Yes it gives me the sheets and has for almost 50 years

Six Points: Why Dogs' disaster isn't all Bevo's fault, Eagles on their way, and 2024's biggest beat-up

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