Talent, time and toughness: Why Australia's Super Rugby coaches won't run like Eddie

By Christy Doran / Editor

Eddie Jones might have waved the white flag and declared the Australian rugby’s rebuilding job too difficult, but the five head coaches leading the respective Super Rugby franchises aren’t running for the hills. Far from it, in fact.

On the way out from his unflattering exit from Australian rugby one season into a five-year deal, Jones cited the roadblocks preventing the game from moving forward as one of the key reasons for him leaving.

Notably, Jones, who oversaw the Wallabies’ first pool exit at a World Cup, decried the political factions within the game slowing the necessary reform measures holding Australian rugby back, as well as the lack of financial resources capable of powering the game into 2024.

But is Les Kiss, a man with more than 20 years of international coaching experience and Brad Thorn’s successor at the Queensland Reds, more or less optimistic since returning to Australian rugby from the English Premiership after being back home for the past few months?

“It’s a good question and I’m asking that myself, too,” Kiss said. “What I’m not doing is trying to compare it, I just want to see where it is here and make sure I see the challenges but at the same time see the opportunity. I think we can always point the finger but there is stuff that’s necessary to do at the ground level, and that’s what I’m really focussed on.

“I focus on the 80 minutes, generally speaking. In the interim, whilst I have this window of opportunity, I’ve touched base with a number of players from club land, a lot of the club coaches, a lot of people in our community and just trying to get a lay of the land, and I think there’s a lot of bloody good people out there. They have optimism, too. It’s a throwaway line to just say we’re stuffed.

“There’s some really good playing talent here, some good foundations in our program, so I’m trying to make the most of the opportunities I see, but being aware of the challenges and trying to see it from that positive light rather than comparing.”

Les Kiss, who previously spent time with Eddie Jones during their respective roles in England, is optimistic about Queensland rugby and the playing stocks in Australia. (Photo by David Rogers/Getty Images)

One of the other criticisms levelled at Australian rugby is that its programs aren’t doing enough to prepare its players for international rugby.

Waratahs coach Darren Coleman, who isn’t shying away from needing to lead better, disagrees.

“In short, no, I definitely feel that our programs are professional enough and the work ethic of our players is high enough,” he told The Roar.

“I can’t control the Wallabies and I can’t control any of the other Super teams.

“I guess what gives me confidence is when we have players enter our program and come back from Europe, and everyone is talking about how good European rugby is at the moment, but we’ve had players go both ways – come to us or leave us – and the feedback that I get is we’re on the right track in terms of our professionalism and work-ethic.”

Melbourne Rebels coach Kevin Foote says he’s excited about the opportunity ahead for Australian rugby, pointing to Portugal’s reception at home, where the emerging European nation was flocked by supporters after drawing with Georgia and beating Fiji during the World Cup.

“I’m quite hurt about it [the Wallabies’ World Cup result], as we all are,” he said.

“But I do think there’s a generation of young players who are very committed to the Wallabies.

“Look at Portugal when they got home and what they went home to. The World Cup is a great catalyst for us to be reminded how passionate people are about rugby, and to bring rugby to the forefront in Australia would be pretty special now that everyone is writing us off.”

Kevin Foote says he wants to be part of Australian rugby’s great turnaround story. (Photo by Kelly Defina/Getty Images)

Turning around the dwindling interest in Super Rugby and ensuring Australia’s five franchises are competitive is essential to the Wallabies’ chances of rising from ninth on the World Rugby rankings and challenging for a third Webb Ellis Cup.

In 2015, both the Brumbies and Waratahs made the Super Rugby semi-finals. That same year the Wallabies, helped by the eligibility changes to the national team that led to Matt Giteau and Drew Mitchell featuring, made the World Cup final.

Since, Australian rugby’s struggles in the competition have flowed onto the international stage, with the Wallabies winning less than 40 per cent of Tests over the past two World Cup cycles.

In 2017, Australia’s five franchises went winless against New Zealand opposition.

Those struggles have largely continued since, with the Brumbies the only Australian side to make a Super Rugby semi-final since 2019.

But, as last week’s squad announcements revealed, some form of stability appears to be returning with Kiss the only new Australian Super Rugby head coach.

It’s not just Australia’s coaching teams that have built, but the playing stocks too. That is helped by a softening overseas market, as well as by having a Lions tour and a home World Cup on the horizon.

The Roar spoke with all five Australian Super Rugby head coaches about what is making them excited about the forthcoming year ahead.

Perhaps the only positive out of the Wallabies’ World Cup disaster is that the players will make an early return to their Super Rugby franchises.

“I haven’t been a part of a program as a player or as a coach where the Wallaby players will come back before Christmas,” Brumbies head coach Stephen Larkham said.

“There’s a great opportunity now to build some connections that we wouldn’t normally build before the season starts and maybe a bit of collective understanding, so that’s a real positive for Super.”

All bar the Waratahs managed to play between two and four extra matches against overseas clubs, too.

For a national union that has been trying to find ways to give its wider core base of players more opportunities to play, every Super Rugby coach spoke highly of the chance to play more games.

“It was a bit of a surprise and a bit earlier than we planned, we had to find 14 players, but we wouldn’t take it back because it gave us more rugby,” second-year Western Force coach Simon Cron said.

“It gave guys like Max Burey an opportunity to play more and develop his game-management and kicking strategy. Harry Potter got out on the field. Ronan Leahy at 19, he’s a young kid. Then people like Henry Robertson at 9 was excellent, Carlo Tizzano played and was leading more.”

Max Burey managed to get some more time in the saddle for the Force over the past couple of months against the Cheetahs. (Photo by James Worsfold/Getty Images)

Larkham spoke particularly highly of his next generation of halves – Klayton Thorn and Declan Meredith – who led the show in the absence of his regular nine and 10 combinations in fixtures against Suntory Sungoliath and Ricoh Black Rams.

“They had very strong teams and particularly Suntory were expecting to beat us,” Larkham said.

“I would say everyone performed exceptionally well. We took 26 over there and we played all 26 players. I’m pretty confident all of the players were very happy with their performances. I was. A couple of standouts in Klayton Thorn and Meredith as a 9-10, they both played really good rugby.”

Coleman, whose Waratahs struggled throughout the Super Rugby season after exceeding expectations in his first year at the franchise, said he learned considerably from the tough season and was happy heading into 2024 after building depth, particularly in the tight five.

“I’m excited because we’ve had a bit of both in our two years, we obviously had a really good year one and got some credibility back and then last year, although we didn’t get too far backwards, we definitely didn’t get forwards,” Coleman said.

“I’ve got some really good lessons out of that. I take all the blame for that. I’ve taken some good learnings from my second year and I need to adjust some things in how I do it and how I steer the ship. So that’s what’s exciting me most, the growth that I’ve gone through in that year two and the changes we’ve made and how we’ll do things.

“We’re definitely not launching from the bottom of the pool, we’re halfway there in the ladder. We’ve got a squad that’s hungry and another year experienced, and we’ve added some really good recruits in our tight-five who are young and at the peak of their powers.”

Kiss, who has returned to Australian rugby after the best part of two decades away coaching Ireland, Ulster and London Irish, said he was “psyched about the mission” ahead.

Kiss admitted he had watched upwards of 15 Reds matches since arriving at Ballymore.

Like most of his coaching colleagues, he said the Reds’ series against Panasonic Wild Knights had helped give him an early taste of where his wider squad was.

“It’s not my nature to get down and gloomy, our remit is to make sure we get the best preparation for our club teams and that’s what I’m excited about,” Kiss said.

“My positivity and probably my optimism comes from working with the boys in the challenger season. I probably had exposure to 45-50 club players over the two teams and the series against Panasonic over the past few weeks and then just getting some baseline principles at play.”

Queensland Reds coach Les Kiss is excited about the opportunity ahead. (Photo by Brendan Hertel, QRU)

One of the frustrations in recent years is the lack of improvement of its young stars.

Talent and potential haven’t necessarily forged into sustained success.

The failure of Jordan Petaia and Harry Wilson, for instance, to kick on from breakout seasons has seen many question whether it is an Australian rugby issue or a coincidence.

Kiss, whose London Irish side rose through the standings with every year he was at the English club, said it was the nature of the game for some to be left disappointed by selection but added that it was his responsibility to challenge his squad.

“The truth is, I’m going to disappoint players too when I don’t select players, that’s always going to be the case, and even if you are selected, you’ve always got another 5-10 per cent in you,” Kiss said.

“Speaking with Harry and the like, they are driven, they want to learn and grow and that’s not a sudden thing, that’s something innate in them, and they’re hungry.

“If myself and my coaches can offer that and the players engage with that and we work hard, then everything is possible.

“I’m trying to make sure that everyone understands that there will be a toughness and demand in our program, it’ll be fair but it’ll challenge and I think it’ll challenge them to make a 5-10 per cent improvement. It’s not unique to one person.”

Another theme that was a constant was the importance of having a strong, powerful scrum, particularly after the Springboks claimed back-to-back World Cups.

Coleman said ensuring they built some depth in the position was crucial.

“We identified it as a [shortcoming],” he said.

“It didn’t take a three-month review to identify that, but the three to four players of note being [Hayden] Thompson-Stringer, [Tom] Ross up front and [Miles] Amatosero and [Fergus] Lee-Warner … before if we lost a player we probably didn’t have the depth, now we can lose a player and still have coverage.”

Foote said the Rebels could make the scrum a weapon.

“What did we learn from the World Cup is that set-piece, we still want to play a positive brand of rugby, but you can’t go away from the set-piece and scrum,” he said. “We have a big front-row. We think the physicality and our forward pack in the scrum could be a big difference for us.”

The Crowd Says:

2023-11-15T20:39:04+00:00

Footy Franks

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All the wallaby coaches come from the Shute

2023-11-15T20:36:13+00:00

Footy Franks

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At the end of the day the reason they coach here is that we pay our coaches so well.

2023-11-15T19:27:34+00:00

Ad Tastic

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Well firstly, I think we dont have much choice. So theres always that. But the problem is the step up from semi-pro level to professional level which is just as difficult for a coach as it is for a player. Its a different ball game and we've seen almost all the guys with great records at NRC/Shute Shield level fail to adapt.

2023-11-15T04:49:24+00:00

Dean

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Best part of that article - the numerous mentions of coaches needing/wanting to focus on the scrum. Set piece, set piece and set piece.

2023-11-15T04:13:28+00:00

Gigabyte

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The NH game didn`t do anything for Richie Arnolds game, he was absolutely atrocious for the Wallabies this year.

2023-11-15T04:10:30+00:00

Gigabyte

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"EG. Wilson needs to be putting time into his lineout and ruck clearout / physicality." I too blame Harry`s poor lineout ruck work physicality and no footwork for the catastrophic 2023 Wallaby year.

2023-11-14T15:31:47+00:00

Brendan NH Fan

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agree. There are 3 teams in SA looking for games September to November and would give a fringe SRP players a good game. Same in Japan. turning it into a competition with sponsors and a trophy is always good for fans and commercial partners.

2023-11-14T15:29:36+00:00

Brendan NH Fan

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That is madness. Most of the test players at the WC will be back playing in the next 2-3 weeks. Yes they had a bit of a pre WC season but I am sure when he was at Munster having the players in training (even if not playing) would have helped drive standards.

2023-11-14T15:26:13+00:00

Brendan NH Fan

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Alot of teams hirer coaches with no experience. the big thing is the ability to get the teams to a good level. Winning SS shows you can coach teams to win against similar teams. If you take over a weaker SRP team you are unlikely to win but if the players that take to the field are prepared and of a good standard a winning coach can make a difference. Winning SS is just as hard as winning SRP mentally.

2023-11-14T15:22:10+00:00

Brendan NH Fan

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Why not run some games for SS select v Tahs or dare I say SS champs v Tahs. For teams in Italy they often do a warmup or to game v Super teams (Italy's club competition) Surely a Lions type series where the tahs take on a few SS sides and a 3 match series v the rep side would sell big. I know some players would have to choose but surely better than nothing.

2023-11-14T15:16:19+00:00

Brendan NH Fan

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So having more games allows younger players to get more game time. Hopefully we see more organized games that can be commercialized in Australia and OS to give the fans something. I think its funny to hear that the test players will be back in training just before Christmas. Two things on that 1. why such a long per season for all the other players with very few games, 2. Why such a long time off for the test players if they are only training. Get SRP as home and away and more players will get more games giving more depth. Or get a Pacific Club championship up and running in the dead season as it can be commercialized. Seeing team like the force running squads for large parts of the year and only having a few games between June and Feb doesn't seem like a smart move. I hope Kiss works out great but seems to work better under someone else.

2023-11-14T13:46:17+00:00

Ad Tastic

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I agree. Preferably somewhere in Europe at a top tier professional setup around some of the smartest coaches in Rugby then come back with a few big trophies on your CV and a proven reputation at the highest provincial/club level. Problem is we won’t attract those guys because they don’t want to commit career hari kiri while being paid peanuts in a competition that’s becoming more irrelevant every year. Like I said, depressing.

2023-11-14T08:26:29+00:00

Wallabies_Larkham

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Oh judging by the photo shot, R Leota will be captain of the Rebels. I find it surprising as I never think he was ever chosen previously but stand to be corrected. At least if he and Tate McD stay injury free we should have three candidates as Wallabies captain including AAA.

2023-11-14T05:33:33+00:00

In From The Side

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Gee that’s a glass half full with a closed bar approach. Not sure it’s all as doom and gloom as you make it sound

2023-11-14T05:31:03+00:00

Don

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I'm feeling positive about both the SRAU sides and the Wallabies. There are very good players in our sides being poorly coached and managed and allowed to get into some bad habits. I commented the same yesterday, my cautious positivity feels odd considering we don't have a coach and have dud RA management making really poor decisions.

2023-11-14T04:50:10+00:00

woodart

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it shows how useless and apathetic r.a. is , when the four most innovative and outward looking super teams can organise international minitours against good foreign teams. and all super teams EXCEPT the warratahs have players in the n.p.c.. alignment... ??

2023-11-14T04:49:37+00:00

W Evans

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Said it before, if I were Kiss I’d be organizing a 12 week sabbatical for Wilson, Wright and a bunch of young Reds forwards in the NH. Doesn’t even have to be top level. Until the grounds are wet, the wind is blowing and the ball doesn’t go past the 12, it’s too easy to swan around.

2023-11-14T04:46:15+00:00

W Evans

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You’re absolutely right. It was sensational to see the Cheetahs / Force competition which was quite evenly balanced. Guys like Ruan Pienaar running around with the young blokes. It is insane that NSW couldn’t get say a good club side from Argentina or an NPC team to play a 2 match series. Billet the opposition at player’s homes. Pack the club grounds, turn on the BBQs and encourage grass roots down for the day. Get back to basics.

2023-11-14T04:20:19+00:00

Tim J

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Kiss is a great addition as coach and will bring much needed experience and enthusiasm to the Reds. The other coaches might not have the same pedigree but will bring their own experience and nurture for all the players, especially needed after the RWC failures. I expect improvement from the OZ sides with the coaches installing belief and trust with their players, this will spill over to the supporters. Wether Australia has two sides in the semis or one side it is more about players and development happening over the long term, NZ teams are going through a rebuild but they know that progress will happen with the right processes in place, this is true also for Australia.

2023-11-14T03:27:22+00:00

RD

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Could not agree with you more Paul. It’s time for Coleman to go along with Whitaker and Pauli the forwards coach. All three have been abject failures. The set piece, non existent and breakdown pedestrian like. The attack has been one dimensional and downhill since Gibson held the reins as attack coach. As head honcho Gibson was a train wreck. From the social media posts I gather that the Tahs are doing lots of drills and skills stuff. Not much weight stuff so early in preseason. Therefore I presume the 2022 plan on putting weight for 2023 which was a disaster has been shelved. The victim of this poor experiment, Will Harris who paid the price and went over to his mentor Cron at the Force. Tahs have an impeccable record of ruining talent and I hope Miles career does not go along this path.

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