Five and a kick: Hasler's pain game, RTS is a choke point and why Souths should give Demetriou a month

By Mike Meehall Wood / Editor

Anzac Round is done and another NRL touchpoint is ticked off amid the onward march of the 2024 season.

It helps to see things like that: you get your run to Easter, then Anzac, then Magic Round, then oblivion, as all the lovely sample size you build up over time goes up in smoke to play out Parochial All Stars, as we’ll be calling Origin from here out, and ignore the meaningful competition.

Call it Pommy bias, but I like my rugby league competitions without a third of the season ruined.

This is the best time of year, because every side is in the fight – whatever their fight might be – and thus every game has a story to be told and a tactical narrative to follow.

Here’s what we learned this week.

1. Des meditates on pain

Last week, we introduced the concept of sufferball into rugby league – nicked off soccer, of course – in relation to the Dragons and their new found ability to withstand pain.

The point wasn’t that they had been defending well (and the invoice is in the post, Trent Robinson, for puffing up their tyres) but rather that one of the things a defensively-minded coach could do in a short time was to increase the willingness of the group to compete, even if better defensive structures would take time to bed in.

Des Hasler is in the same boat as Shane Flanagan, and on the evidence of his team’s win in New Zealand, he’s bringing in the same mentality.

Life is suffering for both the Buddha and Dessie, much as their hairstyles might say otherwise, and his teams have always been known as fighters.

Installing that into the Gold Coast is the toughest of asks for a club with the fortitude of a well-cooked piece of asparagus, but it was hard to watch the last 20 minutes of their win in Auckland and not see it.

Structures will take time. Any edge defence that includes Brian Kelly will be porous. Nirvana was not achieved in a day. But, just maybe, something is changing.

(Photo by Phil Walter/Getty Images)

2. Roger might be a problem

Let’s be real, however. The defence was good because there were shapes to defend and, for once, it looked like the Titans had seen them before.

Against Manly, they seemed shocked by the idea that Tom Trbojevic might turn up in a right side shape, somewhat quaint given Des coached him for four years.

This time, however, they’d done their homework and, despite conceding twice in the opening ten minutes to moves we’ve seen a hundred times, they did eventually kick into action.

What helped was that the Wahs have been running a lot of the same stuff for a whiel now.

There’s two pet plays – one to Addin Fonua-Blake, the other to Dallin Watene-Zelezniak – that they love, and once you start to stop them, there doesn’t seem to be much that follows.

Intrinsically, the Andrew Webster edition of the Warriors has been quite conservative.

 They’ve got the lowest pass-per-run ratio (PPR) in the league, 1.16, tied with the Sharks and Broncos, but differ in that they also have one of the lowest hit up percentages (HU%).

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What does that mean? If you look at the PPR of an expansive side, it’s either because they’re hitting the edges early – Manly, for example, are miles ahead on 1.36 – or low, because they play one-out for the first few tackles, then go wide, in which case you’d get a high HU% to go with it, as in the case of the Sharks and Bronx.

New Zealand have a low PPR and a low HU%. They also have an 81% completion rate, suggesting a focus on error-free footy over risk.

That’s lead to multiple games where they’ve piled on pressure, but not broken opponents. Cronulla, Canberra, Manly and now the Titans have made this side struggle.

An issue to follow is Roger Tuivasa-Sheck. His personal PPR was 1.2, with 15 runs from 18 possessions, compared to Rocco Berry, who was a round 2 with five runs from ten possessions.

Obviously, RTS is a great set starter, but it also speaks to a guy who isn’t getting the ball to the man outside of him.

Is that him? Is that defences knowing that he likes to step inside? Either way, it’s a block in their attack at the moment and one that Webster has to try to solve soon.

Nicho Hynes. (Photo by Brendon Thorne/Getty Images)

3. The kids are alright at Canberra

Ricky Stuart has been around a long time and doesn’t need anyone to tell him how to survive as a coach, but let’s do it anyway.

Coaches live or die based on two things: success, or the feeling of success to come.

If, like Anthony Seibold at Manly, you’re playing a way that fans enjoy, you get a potential third option, though enough defeats will land you can at part one again.

Sticky’s sides have never really been razzle dazzle, but this year’s bunch stand out as one of the more expansive (or at least, less attritional), and for the first time in a long time, they do qualify for the second category.

Though defeated heavily by the Sharks, there was a lot of youth on the field and fans are getting to see the future of the Raiders at a time when there has been a growing feeling that the generation of 2019 was whimpering away.

He wasn’t using it as an excuse, but did mention it in the presser after the match.

“I’m not backtracking from the path we’ve taken with a lot of those younger players,” he said.

“But I didn’t expect at this stage of the season having to play so many of them altogether.

“Please don’t see this as an excuse, because these young blokes are all good players.

“There was some poor football out there today, but we got so many games sitting on the sidelines, it makes the job so much harder for those young guys to play first grade.”

He’s right. Young players gotta play, and that means off-nights will happen.

The spine had 25 Raiders appearances collectively, of which half were Danny Levi. They had 149 games of NRL total, and Levi was 124 of them.

It’s the sort of thing that only gametime can solve. Sticky should stick to his guns.

(Photo by Cameron Spencer/Getty Images)

4. Seiboldball, baby

Here’s the good news: Manly are fourth in the table and have scored a lot of points.

On an underlying level, their metres per run (MPR) is second best, behind Brisbane, and their total sets are among the highest, proving that Seibold’s plan to play differently to everyone else – read, wider and faster – is pretty much working.

In playing the way they do, they don’t just score points, but also score points in clusters, which will go a long way in the momentum-heavy footy of 2024.

Here’s a good stat: Manly have scored 35 tries this year and 16 of them have been in clusters of  ten minutes or fewer. Like a grizzled wicket keeper chirping to his bowler, one brings two.

On a slightly less analytical note, they’re also a lot of fun to watch. That’s not easy to quantify, obviously, but this is a team that can get on top and turn the game to their style of play.

There’s huge issues that will stop them winning it all, of course, but let’s not focus on that. The edge defence is rubbish, the middle can be beat and the ability to move between manic and controlled needs work.

But as far as progress goes, it’s on track.

(Photo by Daniel Pockett/Getty Images)

5. JD should get a month more

Souths sent up a near-second grade side to Melbourne and got treated like one.

One shouldn’t go too hard on the coach as a result, because if you strip back the parts on display, he was on the ultimate hiding to nothing.

Much as it is Jason Demetriou’s job to turn his team into something better than the some of their parts, he is not a miracle worker.

Taane Milne and Jacob Gagai on both wings, Jacob Host and Michael Chee-Kam starting the back row, Keaon Koloamatangi as a prop and a half-fit Jai Arrow on the bench are all pretty much insurmountable odds for a trip to the Storm.

The Souths board have to made decisions based on where they think the club is going, but a game with that much talent not playing shouldn’t be the one that gets JD sacked.

It won’t be better against the Panthers, but here’s a reading for you: Souths have played seven of the current top eight and only one – the Warriors – of the current bottom nine.

The Dolphins, the only side they have not faced from the finals cohort, have faced just one of the current eight – the Broncos, to whom they lost – and six of the lower half of the league.

The draw isn’t everything, but it is something.

Given the plan is to let Wayne Bennett take over next year anyway, Souths might do well to let the next month play out, with fixtures against the Dragons, Cowboys, Parramatta before another bye if they want a week in which to do the deed. At least then, you’d have a fair sample size.

(Photo by Bradley Kanaris/Getty Images)

6. Turuva’s torment

When Paul Alamoti’s name appeared on the Penrith team list the week after Sunia Turuva announced a move to the Wests Tigers for 2025, plenty were willing to cite spite as a reason for his omissions.

Ivan Cleary insisted that it had been a tough week for his Rookie of the Year, and that he had been left out as a result of the off-field distraction.

“Sunia didn’t play mainly because he was going through his contract decision and still negotiating,” said Cleary after the match.

“It was something that has been sort of going on for a few weeks. I think people don’t quite understand how much that can take out of someone, especially a young man with such a big decision.

“Not just professionally wise but emotionally. That’s why we gave him the night off.”

What he might also have been doing is pointing out how eminently replaceable Tito is, just like almost any Panthers outside back.

They’ve lost the reigning Dally M Centre of the Year twice and found a new bloke without breaking sweat. The style allows it.

Turuva is a good player, but he won’t impact the Panthers. Alamoti did his job superbly on Saturday night and if Cleary announced tomorrow that he would keep that role for the rest of the year, the odds on Penrith winning the Premiership wouldn’t budge an inch.

The day the rest of the NRL realises that, at Penrith, it’s system over parts every day of the week, the better.

Only Nathan, Isaah Yeo and, maybe, Dylan Edwards and Brian To’o are irreplaceable.

We’ll find out if James Fisher-Harris is, or if the attrition of multiple members finally kicks in, but it won’t be Turuva who makes the difference.

The Crowd Says:

2024-04-30T06:08:45+00:00

Big Mig

Roar Rookie


MMW- sorry but I don't think the Souths board read your article, looks like JD will be goneski by tonight..

2024-04-29T22:03:12+00:00

Albo

Roar Rookie


If he gets a few games to show his stuff, he soon will be re-signed for further. He is only 20 with plenty of ability to develop.

2024-04-29T21:08:28+00:00

SSTID

Roar Rookie


I take your point about JD not have a fair representation against comparable teams to prove his worth this year, but as Nat said, this is not a current year problem. For me this year JD has made his bed and he now has to lie in it. I heard on the news this morning that Ilias is now looking for a contract release, so we will be stuck with Hawkins as a back up half, who is no where as good a player as Ilias. If, as I suspect JD gets his marching orders after Thursday night, then that could potentially set off a chain of early retirements. I wouldn't be surprised to see Cook announce hanging up his boots at the end of the year, another person who didn't deserve to get dropped. A few other players may also decide to take early retirement or ask for releases, which may not be a bad thing in the longer run. Souths need to go on a rebuilding exercise and I don't think JD is the person to do that - he has not shown good judgement and strategic foresight this year.

2024-04-29T19:40:52+00:00

Maxtruck

Roar Rookie


Paul Alamoti not signed past this season

2024-04-29T08:18:41+00:00

Forty Twenty

Roar Rookie


I was glad when Levi left Manly and was surprised to see him first choice hooker at the Raiders. He's gone better than I thought but I think he's missing something to be a good first grader. The dropped ball when a try was on was probably viewed as bad luck and it was probably linked to his steam running out but it's a bit of a reflection on his capabilities as well.

2024-04-29T07:34:20+00:00

Ian_

Roar Rookie


The issue I have with the Raiders is that it isn’t really the inexperienced players who are letting them down. Hudson Young has been awful, with a handful of exceptions, since Origin last year. Levi is bog ordinary at best, and yesterday was much worse than that. Seb Kris has been poor since he came back from suspension. Even the normally excellent Tapine seems to have caught the mediocrity bug yesterday. Performances like yesterday’s have happened regularly, at least a few times a season, for years, regardless of the players on the field. To me it says something about the culture of the club (being thereabouts in the finals mix is good enough) and no doubt coaching methods and preparation more than the number of inexperienced players. As an aside, I think its time for the Raiders to get a new coach. Nothing particularly against Ricky Stuart, but I’m hard pressed to see how any coach sticking around for longer than 5 years or so is a good thing. They get stale, players get sick of hearing them. There may be exceptions to this, truly exceptional coaches like Bellamy, but they would be rare.

2024-04-29T06:07:18+00:00

Nat

Roar Guru


“commission at the Tigers” Bingo! We all know whose interest they are serving.

2024-04-29T05:45:41+00:00

Albo

Roar Rookie


I guess so. But surely a decent manager could have eeked out a few more dollars from the Panthers for Turuva, once Fish announced he was dropping two years off his deal? Or was it just too easy to take the "bird in the hand" commission at the Tigers?

2024-04-29T05:27:11+00:00

Nat

Roar Guru


Agree to a point. Young footy players are emotional fellas so of course their first club has a special place. However, if those number are correct, $80k is a +20% increase so would you leave your job if another company offered you that? Most would, that’s a big house in Fiji. As for being ‘cellar dwellers’, that is temporary. Both clubs only have one way to go so they may just meet in the middle by the end of his contract and he will have earned $240k more to be there. However, if I’m Panthers, $350k is a good number for him. He is good but he’s no game breaker and that $80k could be what gets a real star from $750k up to $830k to replace JFH.

2024-04-29T05:05:38+00:00

Albo

Roar Rookie


Regarding Turuva. I think he has been poorly advised or conned by his manager if reports of his Tigers contract are correct ? Seems he has been offered a 3 year deal for $1.3m at the Tigers starting in 2025. Reports were that the Panthers were offering him $350k a season , before the Fisher -Harris news of him leaving early and freeing up a heap more cash. Unless the Panthers had decided to strictly limit their offer to the $350k a season, he has left the premiers where he has claimed they mean everything to him, to go to a cellar dweller for an extra $80 k a year ? And if that is the case, I see no point playing him in the NRL team this season , when they can be developing further the careers of Alamoti or McLean who aren't moving on ?

2024-04-29T04:12:59+00:00

Don

Roar Rookie


Geez people are being kind to Stuart. How is it that critics are not getting into him and his club for the poor recruitment and player development that has put them where they are today? Instead it is "he's rebuilding and unluckily being forced to play younger guys ahead of time..." In August last year when Canberra were running 5th and falling over the line into wins Mike wrote: It might not work long term, given the older age profile. It might even be that it is working maximally now, with a bit of luck in there too. But it’s undeniably, with the team sitting on the cusp of the top four, that it is working. Clearly in the past couple of years they had a focus on retaining as many of the 2019 GF side and their experienced players at the expense of strategically getting more youth into the side, and more game time into younger prospects. Now they have injuries, a few of the old players are out, and the young guys have little experience. And here is some insight from the same article of Mike's last year. But though Fogarty has just three line break assists with the ball all year – fewer than middle forwards like Junior Paulo, Tino Fa’asuamaleaui and Isaac Lui – but he has a massive eleven kick try assists, not including his own three tries, all of which were off kicks. As plans go, give it to Jamal and let chaos reign is one that is clearly working for the Raiders. They have scored 68 tries so far, 14 of which have been assisted specifically by Fogarty’s boot – a full 20% – and he’s also third in the league for forcing dropouts. Certainly seeing Wighton go and being so reliant on Fogarty for points was a risk that stood out and needed to be better covered. No Fogarty? As back up last weekend they've got a 22 year old who joined the club this season, hasn't played a game this year, who's played just 13 NRL games in 3 seasons - once at 5/8 otherwise all at fullback or off the bench until last weekend. Make no mistake. Ricky and the recruitment team made this mess by rolling the dice on older players, not having succession in key positions, and not getting sufficient game time into young guys.

2024-04-29T04:12:09+00:00

Nat

Roar Guru


JD won’t get a month, he’ll likely get one more week just so the next guy doesn’t have another hiding to walk into. The state they are in isn’t based on these current injuries it goes all the way back to Rnd 11 last season. Most recognised an issue back then but there were some who still had them top 2 in the PR. ;) There was a bit of spite in the call to leave Turuva out of the team. Those negotiations have been going on for some time and it’s not without precedent. It might be starting to erk Cleary just a bit that all these players are choosing to move on. Welcome to the world of being a development club. One thing I will give Ricky is that he can change styles based on his cattle. In his early days he had a team of monsters that included Paulo, Tilse, Boyd and Vaughan. In the later 20-teens he moved to the pommy contingent but with the likes of Austin, Leilua & Rapana were quite flamboyant. He has had reasonable success but no one care argue he doesn’t try. A “Parochial All Stars” game? Mike, you are the best RL writer on the Roar but might I suggest it would not be wise to belittle a game that does mean something to the majority of your readers. Your analysis on the game generates significant clicks and comments. Your opinion on the concept - less so.

2024-04-29T03:08:50+00:00

mushi

Roar Guru


Also I get you've got a soft spot for JD, given the access, but how many power clubs have dealt with injuries by being bottom of the ladder with an average score of losing by more than 3 converted tries. He's been there three years. If it isn't more of a general malaise and more that his club wide systems can't produce replacements, for one of the richest clubs in Australian sport, that keep the game within 3 converted tries then he's not a head coach. Personally I believe he's more reaping the downside of prior decisions, but then we can't run the "injuries" headline defence.

2024-04-29T02:43:43+00:00

mushi

Roar Guru


Not sure I'd be bringing the pommy bias call just post ANZAC round!

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